Big Muddy rancher
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Econ101 said:Tam said:HAY MAKER said:Alright Miss Tam,if you were teasing,then I apologize,I dont think you will admitt this,but I bet you know,without an org. like R CALF keeping these packers/usda/ncba, in the spot lite,and fighting for fairness,it would'nt take some street wise bean counter one day to come up with some BS story about how the operating costs have sky rocketed and the cost of fuel,wages etc...........so fat cattle are $56,take it or leave it,and since the price of fat cattle drives the markets your calves arent worth much.....................good luck
If R-CALF had not been organized to stop beef trade with Canada would it have been organized at all? :wink:
Haymaker do you think it is fair to stop import cattle trade when it costs two sectors of the whole beef industry billions just so you can keep a monopoly on the cattle supply? I thought R-CALF hated the Packers having a capitive supply of cattle but if the packers can't access cattle from anywhere else doesn't the give the US producers a capitive market for their supply.
Tam, I know you must be speaking out of desperation on this post. The pain of producers in Canada is heard. BSE was a packer made problem, however, and it is an issue packers are using through the USDA.
You can condemn r-calf and everyone else but if the issues regarding concentration are not solved you will still be in the same cement boat with a hole in it. U.S. cattlemen do not hate Canadian cattlemen, except to the extent that Canadian cattlemen are not getting the laws needed to stop the abuses of market power in the industry. It is causing a big rift.
If you would spend just half of your time on this issue instead of throwing your hands up in the air, you would probably get a lot more sympathy to your positions. If Canadian cattlemen do not want to face these issues then they will always be looked down upon by r-calfers and politically active cattlemen in the U.S. Can you find some common interests? I would much rather have r-calf be a supporter of Canadian proposals to correct the current abuses than fight other producers. The problem is that the packers have you split. Think about how the split was made and who made it. You don't need to fight your closest kin when the big bad wolf is blowing down your house. Your closest kin aint goin to help you if you are not doing a little fighting yourself.
Econ you need a history lesson on the formation of R-CALF. They were formed to start a trade action against Canada. Period. Their were many issues that the US and Canadian cattleman could work together on but R-CALF polarized the cattle industry.
You might think you know economics but you don't know diddle about the cattle industry. You can blame packers for all the woes of the rancher but we need a working market place and options for manageing risk. Yes the packers look out for their own best interests but so do the order buyers, the feedlot operaters, the auction barns and even the poor old truckers . But it is the rancher that get's whats left after the rest get payed so we had better have a interest in the consumption of beef and the promotion thru our check off's . If it takes bigger more efficent packers to beable to pay more for our cattle let it be as we we need efficency to make it in this competative world. So much different then the world of academia.