Efficient Angus bull...check him out!

[Turkey Track Bar]

As many of you know, lazy ace and I have a friend who manages a Research Center and Bull Test in West Virginia. They were the first to do feed efficiency evaluation of bulls on test using the Grow Safe System. Now several others including Midland Bull Test are using this technology.

As I've posted before, in their system, WVU has found highly efficient bulls that gain well, highly efficient bulls that don't gain well, highly inefficient bulls that gain well, and highly inefficient bulls that don't gain well.

Our friend has been talking about the Lot 44 Angus bull for quite awhile. Check him out in their catalog here:

http://www.wvbeef.org/wbt/0708wbtcatalog.pdf

He gained 5.48 pounds per day with a RFI of -6.4 That means he eats 6.4 pounds less feed per day than the average bull on test! If you compute that over a 100 day test, that ends up being 640 pounds less feed. Yet he still is a gaining machine.

I asked our friend to take a picture of him. He is very embarrassed of his photo...but check this rascal out. Plus he has "picture perfect" feet. I will have to see if Jerry can get a better profile shot of him.

I bet he's a true female maker, with a very balanced EPD profile, with a 19 for milk and 65 yearling weight. Plus his Mum is 11 coming 12. I think you Angus breeders who are looking for good efficient cattle, should seriously consider adding him to your herd. If we had blacks, I think we would.

Cheers---

TTB :wink:

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

OK ,but now we need some pedigree.

 

[Turkey Track Bar]

BMR: Go to lot 44 in the linked catalog. I don't know how else to get it here...sorry!

Cheers---

TTB :wink:

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Darn PDF's


He is a Rito 616.
Faster Horses like him


You know if you bred him to some red cows you would get some red calves and create an out cross.

Or you decide you just couldn't live with out Black cows and just switch. :wink: :lol:

 

[Turkey Track Bar]

OK ,but now we need some pedigree.

~~~Rito 6I6 of 4B20 6807
HJK New Design By 6I6
~~~H J K New Design 036 by 30

15795689 - HJK Westwind BY New Design

~~~Westwind Rito 8503 D J H 0
H J K Windy 6143
~~~Apex Playmate 351

OK Big Muddy...I think I got it here. I just love it when I outsmart the computer!

Cheers---

TTB :wink:

 

[Turkey Track Bar]

Darn PDF's


He is a Rito 616.
Faster Horses like him


You know if you bred him to some red cows you would get some red calves and create an out cross.

Or you decide you just couldn't live with out Black cows and just switch. :wink: :lol:

If we didn't have such a tough time selling black bulls we probably would try it. It would take at least two generations to get a red calf (unless he was a Red Gene Carrier.) We do have some Red Gene Carrier Black cows...one has already calved and delivered us a beautiful RED calf :clap:

Cheers---

TTB :wink:

 

[Faster horses]

BMR, you are right, I like him. I like 6I6. I DO NOT LIKE 036...so I'd have a problem with him. Gotta like his phenotype tho--looks good even tho that photo makes him look sickle-hocked, I am sure it is the angle of the picture. Gotta love his feet!!!!!

Ya--just went back and looked, the way he is standing, all camped under in the back makes his back look soft.

 

[PureCountry]

He may be missin' some hair from the ultrasounding and such, but he's built justlike a bull that I would expect to perform that way. Real masculine up front, lots of guts in him, good quarter. He's a herd bull for sure.

 

[Northern Rancher]

my computer doesn't do Adobe lol. when is the sale-what are the rest of his EPD's.

 

[Turkey Track Bar]

Edit....This link no longer works. Apparently the AAA changes the links with pedigrees. If you want to see his pedigree and particulars go to angus.org and put in his registeration number 15795689.

Sorry about that....

TTB :wink:

Here is a link to his pedigree and EPDs.

http://www.angus.org/common/epd_ped_dtl.html?A=0E061F55555E45425458425F58405955425B4F46554F435B520F&B=44475B4C475A4D4B4C

I am working on getting the catalog pages into a jpeg format then uploaded to photobucket.

Cheers---

TTB :wink:

 

[Turkey Track Bar]

OK...here is the catalog stuff...hopefully this all works.

I added the front seven pages of the catalog, because it deciphers what some of the data means.

The bull pictured is Lot 44. I believe he is second or third to sell.

Cheers---

TTB :wink:

 

[Northern Rancher]

That's about the most thorough sales catalogue I've ever seen!! I passed the info on to the powers to be-to be honest I'm almost as worked up over the good feet as I am the other good stuff.

 

[movin' on]

Faster Horses......what ever do you mean you don't like 036!??!!?? I suppose you don't like 1407 either? Don't you realize that calving ease and marbling are the only two things that really matter! C'mon, get with it :lol:

 

[WB]

My oldest 6I6 daughters are now 4 and I like them so much I bred all of my baldy heifers to him last spring and am currently getting some nice calves. He is the best udder improver I have ever seen.

 

[Turkey Track Bar]

I guess I don't necessarily discount an animal because they have something in their pedigree 3 or 4 generations back.

Admittedly I am no fan of Cherokee Canyon, however, I can tell you some of our best females are his grand daughters. We knew that the bull offered some things we could use, and some things we didn't want to use, and thus decided we would not use him until we found a whole genetic package that met our needs, which I think we did with New Chapter.

I don't know Angus genetics all that well or what sin "036" committed to get him bashed, but with the bull I posted (who is 036's great grandson) I think there are some good things (don't discount him because of his photo.)

There is still some value in having cattle that can be born easily (this guy might not be the heifer bull of the century) and marble easily too. After all the most profitable thing on an operation is an alive calf. If you don't have one of those, it's tough to sell anything thereafter. And in today's marketplace one of largest profit drivers in our industry is marbling. If you dont' think so, I encourage to try your luck at selling at potload of standards and see how well your banker and your checkbook like you then. I am not saying these are the only two things that matter, but also don't ignore them either.

You all having been talking about efficient, functional cattle. I still believe this bull fits that mold. If he does not, tell me why. I bet he's a female maker deluxe.

Cheers---

TTB :wink:

 

[Turkey Track Bar]

That's about the most thorough sales catalogue I've ever seen!! I passed the info on to the powers to be-to be honest I'm almost as worked up over the good feet as I am the other good stuff.

Boy you ain't a kidding about the catalog. And yes, the bull has outstanding feet.

Cheers---

TTB :wink:

 

[Faster horses]

The 036's have structure problems and they are hard-doing cattle. And I agree, 036 is a ways back in his pedigree. Make no mistake, I like the bull.

Thanks for the info, TTB. I forgot to thank you earlier.
Always good to see things here that I would not be exposed to otherwise.

 

[Turkey Track Bar]

The 036's have structure problems and they are hard-doing cattle. And I agree, 036 is a ways back in his pedigree. Make no mistake, I like the bull.

Thanks for the info, TTB. I forgot to thank you earlier.
Always good to see things here that I would not be exposed to otherwise.

You're welcome, and I didn't mean to pick on you....

I personally believe that unless a "line" has an inexcusable flaw (EXT's disposition comes to mind, as well as dwarfism and prolapsing) you can find good cattle of all genetic "lines" in all breeds. I have publicly dragged Cherokee Canyon through the mud, and still would not use him directly today for a variety of reasons. Does that mean I think his progeny are all monsters? NO!!! We have one direct Cherokee Canyon daughter we bought. Is she my favorite female at our outfit??? By no means. Is she my least favorite? By no means.

Thank you for your reasoning of disliking "036" valid enough reasons for me.

I'll git off my soapbox now.

Cheers...

TTB :wink:

 

[Andy]

O36 was a bull that fallowed maternal lines. Some of the best cows i have are daughters of him, but there dams are also the best cows I have. I am going to assume that FH never actually used O36. But on the type of cows that FH have he would have worked very well on. His sons may or may not of worked well on there cows.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

One good thing about using Black Angus we have lots of choices if we don't like one line we can use another. I have bulls for one reason or another i have tried and won't use again and some that I guess i just took a dislike to and won't knowingly use. I won't mention names as some one is sure to take offense.
Where I have been buying my bulls I have passed on alot of good bulls because of one particular bull and his son. The are very good bulls but carried too high of BW epd for me so I just avoided them. This year I sold some Hfrs and then bought them back. They are calving like dreams. Low and behold they are bred to a son of one of the bulls I would never buy for myself. I guess the bull did carry some calving ease thru his Dams side.