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Ethanol's Effects On Cattlemen Offers Many Unknowns

Burt Rutherford

Jun 1, 2007 12:00 PM


What effect will the rush to ethanol have on cattlemen? There are a lot more questions than answers.

It's pretty hard to have a conversation nowadays that doesn't turn, sooner or later, toward ethanol. What about corn prices? Supplement prices? Calf prices? Feeder-cattle prices?

And the answers? Your guess is as good as anybody's.

There are a few things you can count on, however. The first and most long lasting is that ethanol -- the bad and the ugly, as well as the good -- is here to stay.

Second, ethanol will be produced from corn, at least for the foreseeable future. That sets up a conflict that will have cattlemen at all levels of the marketing chain in various states of panic for some time to come. One of the long-anticipated fallouts to high corn prices is the expected adjustment that cattle feeders would make in other input costs. Question is, just how much backup is there in calf and feeder-cattle prices?

"The ethanol business has put inherent demand in the industry that we can't ignore," says James Herring, president and CEO of Friona Industries, a cattle feeding and ranching business in Amarillo, TX. And it's come, he adds, at a time when we're at a low in the cowherd.

"Let's say corn is at an average of $3.50 for the rest of the year," Herring says. Given that, "Feeder cattle have probably seen their highs, at least for the next six months." After that all bets are off as everyone waits to see what kind of calf crop is weaned this fall and what kind of corn crop is put in the elevator.

The calf-crop numbers are key. The cowherd is at a low number and dropping, and the current supply of calf and feeder cattle is at a low as well. Feeding capacity is the same, which means cattle feeders have plenty of bunk space to fill with fewer available cattle.

"The fact of the matter is," Herring says, "the feeding industry is going to put something in those pens. There's overcapacity in the cattle-feeding sector and we're all going to be slugging it out to see who gets the livestock."

So, high corn prices or no, feedyard demand for feeder cattle and calves will remain strong. Where that demand manifests itself, however, will be influenced strongly by ethanol and weather-driven corn prices.

"The lighter the animal, the more whipsaw you're going to get from the corn market," says Jim Robb with the Livestock Marketing Information Center (LMIC) in Denver. That whipsaw will come largely from the sky. Spring rains delayed planting, putting a major question mark over this fall's corn harvest. And while the rains improved pasture conditions, drought still lingers in parts of the country. "So lightweight calves have to be priced so they will put on weight in forage programs as opposed to grain programs," he says.

Beef-cow slaughter the first half of the year ran much higher than anticipated, reflecting a lot of open cows due to last year's drought and high-priced supplemental feed. "So we don't have a breeding herd that supports much growth in the calf crop -- maybe no growth in the calf crop for the next two years," Robb says.

Then there's heifer retention. There are multiple signals in place to expand the cowherd, Herring says, and if cow-calf producers hold back heifers this fall to replace the cows they culled this spring, everybody in the cattle business will get a new definition of what "tight cattle supplies" really means.

Tight supplies, along with upturned prospects in the export market, are the major drivers in the fed-cattle market, which Robb estimates will set record highs in 2007 and 2008. As Herring points out, cattle feeders look at the world in terms of the relationship between corn prices, feeder-cattle prices and fed-cattle prices. "So the fact we're buying feeder cattle on the highs doesn't mean anything if fed cattle are on their highs, too."

Put all that together, and Robb says calf and feeder prices will be off a little this year compared with last year. But given the tight supply that has cattle feeders in a pitched battle to fill pens, prices won't slide nearly as much as might be expected. Robb says 7 to 8-weight feeders will average $104 this year, compared with $109 last year. Calf prices, while more volatile, will average $120, compared with $125 in '06, and fed-cattle prices will be up 8% or more on the year.

That leaves corn prices. LMIC data showed Omaha corn prices at $3.44/bu. in early May, compared with $2.11 last year -- a whopping 63% jump. That shoots several economic signals down the central nervous system of the cattle industry, one of which is clear -- grass is cheaper than grain. If anybody has a chance for a positive outcome in an ethanol-dominated world, it's the stocker operator, says John Hughes of Bartlesville, OK. "It gives us a better shot at the lightweight replacement cattle and also makes grass gain more valuable."

But it also infuses tremendous uncertainty into an already uncertain business, he says. Hughes' reaction to that uncertainty is to hide and watch, at least for now. For the first time in many years, he says, they've taken in cattle to graze on the gain rather than owning the cattle themselves, allowing them to market their grass while watching what the volatility does to the cattle market.

And he questions, looking at a broader picture, that ethanol will solve any of the problems it's purported to address.

"I think when the consumer figures out that they pay for it three times, it might not be so popular," he says. "They pay for it when they pay their taxes, they pay for it at the pump (with reduced performance and lower gas mileage) and they pay for it again at the grocery store."

Hughes says ethanol's effect will ultimately be huge.

"You just can't have a one-year jump in the cost of the major feeding ingredient and not precipitate an enormous amount of change," he says. "I think it adds a lot more risk to a business that's already a pretty high-risk business."

Herring agrees. "What you're going to see is an accordion in the way cattle are presented to us to buy," he says. "We've got a different set of numbers and those cattle are going to swell and release at different times for different reasons (than has been the case historically). You're going to have big-time volatility bred into the system by the corn situation."

Ultimately, he predicts, that will put some feedyards out of business.

"Corn has never experienced demand at this level," he says. "With that being said, the herd in the U.S. has been contracted violently because of economics and natural forces. Those two are going to have a collision. There's a lot of biting, scratching and clawing on both ends to see how that fits, and there's going to be some fallout from that. And it's not going to stop."
 
I know the anti ethanoll crowd is growing but two things to think about as cattle poducers: What effect is the price of energy going to have on beef demand and what would the price of gas today be if there were no ethanol? Remember there hasn't been a new refinery built in the U.S. since the late 70's early 80's.
 
The thing is corn farmers have been taking a beating for years on corn prices..... All you that complain about high corn prices, lets just see you plant corn and then tell me about high corn prices.......

Nine-hundred and some pound steers sold in Valentine for 104.00 a pound. Now you tell me how anyone is going to make money when fats are ninety six cents........ Don't get me wrong, I'm for a high cattle market. But don't whine to me about corn prices and ethenol..... IF you want a rag head to own ya go right ahead....... But I choose not too.....
 
Agree with you, Katrina!!!! The corn price was hard on us this go around but it will all wash out in the long run. It's about time the corn and bean prices come up. The trouble is that the inputs will all rise too. There are some businesses that can raise their prices to make money when they deem to, agriculture is not one of them. Hope you have great crops and great prices!!
 
My opinion is that the high corn market will help the beef market in the long run. We will all be forced to make better efficient cattle that will be more profitable. I don't think anyone will want to feed or raise cheap (junk) cattle anymore. The packers and feeders can get all of that they want from south of the border. But, I also think that in the short run, it will also force some seedstock and commercial ranchers and feedlots out of the business, which is never a good thing. I think we all need to Adapt and improve or else.
 
I totally agree with both of you.... This is the first year I have sat in the sale ring and saw quality cattle bring more... Amen... You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear... Anyway we can't......
And it will come out in the wash..... I just get frustrated with the manipulation of the stock market..... Alot of times what they say, ain't happening at my house.....
Okay off my soapbox and back to lurking..................
 
WB said:
I know the anti ethanoll crowd is growing but two things to think about as cattle poducers: What effect is the price of energy going to have on beef demand and what would the price of gas today be if there were no ethanol? Remember there hasn't been a new refinery built in the U.S. since the late 70's early 80's.

The price of ethanol is based upon the equivalent energy value of gasoline. Having a lower E-value thant gasoline it is priced accordingly. Unfortunately as the article says, because of the lower E-value of ethanol the more of it you have to use. As the price of gasoline goes up so does the price of ethanol. So in the long run are you really ahead?

I'm glad when I see agriculture getting there due, but I'm really not seeing ethanol as a solution. The relationship of corn usage to ethanol production is not linear. The projected numbers indicate that even with 30% of corn production going to ethanol production, that only accounts ot 8% of fuel usage in the U.S.

That leaves us 92% dependent on outside energy sources, which as I see it might as well be 100%.

As far as feeding cattle goes, we probably have a leg up on the other species as we can include higher amounts of DGS in the ration than the monogastrics.
 
One aspect of ethanol production that is rarely discussed is the change in infrastructure needed as ethanol production increases dramatically. From hauling corn to feeding facilities and to rivers for export to now hauling corn to the nearest ethanol plant may not tax our transportation system, but the demands for hauling DDG's, ethanol, and CO2 quite possibly may cause significant problems, at least in the short term. In my judgment, unless ethanol expansion is slowed significantly agriculture will face serious problems in terms of impact on meat prices and impact on our transportation system in the next few years
 
wdcook said:
One aspect of ethanol production that is rarely discussed is the change in infrastructure needed as ethanol production increases dramatically. From hauling corn to feeding facilities and to rivers for export to now hauling corn to the nearest ethanol plant may not tax our transportation system, but the demands for hauling DDG's, ethanol, and CO2 quite possibly may cause significant problems, at least in the short term. In my judgment, unless ethanol expansion is slowed significantly agriculture will face serious problems in terms of impact on meat prices and impact on our transportation system in the next few years

wdcook- I think the shipping issue is already manifesting itself, but not in terms of DGS shipment, but as higher placements or retention of feeder cattle in the northern plains where the EtOH plants are located.
 
One of the pros to ethanal that was not mentioned is it is renewable. Also corn is alot safer to transport than crude, does a feller by the name of capt. Hazelwood ring a bell? He was the gin and tonic sipping capt. of the Exxon valdez. Plus I would rather keep my money in the good ol U.S.A or North America for our Canadian posters, anywhere other than a muslim, terrorist supporting state. I use bio-diesel in my pickup and e-85 in the wifes car. That is just my opinion, and everybody has one as you know. Shawn
 
SHAWN said:
does a feller by the name of capt. Hazelwood ring a bell? He was the gin and tonic sipping capt. of the Exxon valdez.

I figure he was transporting ethanol in his own way! :lol:
 
Lee Pits has a good article on this in the newest NM Stockman called All Eyes on the Ears
http://www.aaalivestock.com/catalog/catalog.php?catalog_id=3&start_page=76

He says, "Ethanol is better for the environment and the politically correct thing to do, but its still hard to fall in love with something that threatens to completely destroy your business."
 
Couldn't most of the arguments for ethonal be made for going back to using work horses? Fuel for them comes from the ground? We have lots of them? Renewable resource? Cheap to transport them? etc....
 
Well, I think cattlemen are getting ready to go through what agriculture farmers already have.......... they had grain here in the USA but it was a few cents more so companies imported from China and look at the mess its become and simply because they could save some money.

The same will happen with beef. You don't want to sell yours for 30 cents a pound, fine we'll import it from other countries (just like the grain came in from China). Look at all the countries wanting to increase their beef import to the USA. The only way beef producers are going to keep even is to LIMIT beef imports.

Free trade isn't free, the american people are paying dearly for it.
 
My point being is that we won't have to worry about buying distillers grain because we won't be able to compete (no matter if you have the best looking cattle for 500 miles around) ......... who can afford the cost of raising them to only get 30 cents or 50 cents a pound (whereas that is good money for some countries).
 
MoGal said:
My point being is that we won't have to worry about buying distillers grain because we won't be able to compete (no matter if you have the best looking cattle for 500 miles around) ......... who can afford the cost of raising them to only get 30 cents or 50 cents a pound (whereas that is good money for some countries).

You mean like Brazil and China :???:
 
Julie said:
He says, "Ethanol is better for the environment and the politically correct thing to do, but its still hard to fall in love with something that threatens to completely destroy your business."
I understand, I am new to the raising beef game, but I am not new to business or making money. If I am off track please correct me this is just my opinion. In all types of business times change, production changes, customers change etc. we will just have to change as well, If it means keeping some calves and raising fat cattle on grass, or getting more efficient animals and equipment or finding a little niche or specialty market. I did a little expierment before posting this. I made ten phone calls to friends that live in larger towns in four different states and asked if they would be willing to pay a higher price to get custom raised quarters or halves of beef If I could garantee no implants or drugs. 9 out of the ten said when and where? So I feel there is a way for the smaller producer in a simular situation to mine to add to the bottom line. I know some of you raise 500 to 1500 calves a year, and this program would be next to impossible for you. Maybe set up outlet shops in metro areas? I do not know.
What I do know is that ethanol is here to stay whether we like it or not. I have worked in the oil patch on and off for the last 12 years and have asked some of the guys in managment if this ethanol thing was a phase or if it was here to stay. The company I worked for has invested heavily in the ethanol industry for the mixing fees etc. They felt it was here to stay.
Ranchers have survived drought, floods, disease, low prices and on and on, we are survivors and we will survive ethanol. Have a great sunday evening :D Shawn
 
SHAWN said:
Julie said:
He says, "Ethanol is better for the environment and the politically correct thing to do, but its still hard to fall in love with something that threatens to completely destroy your business."
I understand, I am new to the raising beef game, but I am not new to business or making money. If I am off track please correct me this is just my opinion. In all types of business times change, production changes, customers change etc. we will just have to change as well, If it means keeping some calves and raising fat cattle on grass, or getting more efficient animals and equipment or finding a little niche or specialty market. I did a little expierment before posting this. I made ten phone calls to friends that live in larger towns in four different states and asked if they would be willing to pay a higher price to get custom raised quarters or halves of beef If I could garantee no implants or drugs. 9 out of the ten said when and where? So I feel there is a way for the smaller producer in a simular situation to mine to add to the bottom line. I know some of you raise 500 to 1500 calves a year, and this program would be next to impossible for you. Maybe set up outlet shops in metro areas? I do not know.
What I do know is that ethanol is here to stay whether we like it or not. I have worked in the oil patch on and off for the last 12 years and have asked some of the guys in managment if this ethanol thing was a phase or if it was here to stay. The company I worked for has invested heavily in the ethanol industry for the mixing fees etc. They felt it was here to stay.
Ranchers have survived drought, floods, disease, low prices and on and on, we are survivors and we will survive ethanol. Have a great sunday evening :D Shawn

Thats a good attitude Shawn. :-
I agree.

But some will always bitch, me included. :wink: :lol: :lol:
 
I fed 35 semi loads of the wet distillars grains this last winter alot of our hay was in the 2% protein range and was rank at best.We fed 885 bales of hay to 210 cows so 4.21 bales per cow a value of $85 the wet distillars was $25 per cow.Feed cost per cow was at 57 cents per head per day 192 days on feed.We also fed 60 heifers and a dozen yearling bulls on the hay and wet grain ration.The more ethanol the more by-product there will be and cattle are the number one outlet for it.If your not close to a plant the trucking will eat up any profit BUT you will see more cattle feeding will concentrate near these ethanol plants.

Just for a note most guys figure 8 to 10 bales of hay per cow in this area to winter them.

I have raised corn it's not all profit.But coming from a crop farming family one thing you can be sure of if it's corn you all want it's corn you'll get and plenty of it.I would'nt worry about short supplies.One thing farmers are good at is over produceing driveing the prices lower...
 
Denny said:
I fed 35 semi loads of the wet distillars grains this last winter alot of our hay was in the 2% protein range and was rank at best.We fed 885 bales of hay to 210 cows so 4.21 bales per cow a value of $85 the wet distillars was $25 per cow.Feed cost per cow was at 57 cents per head per day 192 days on feed.We also fed 60 heifers and a dozen yearling bulls on the hay and wet grain ration.The more ethanol the more by-product there will be and cattle are the number one outlet for it.If your not close to a plant the trucking will eat up any profit BUT you will see more cattle feeding will concentrate near these ethanol plants.

Just for a note most guys figure 8 to 10 bales of hay per cow in this area to winter them.

I have raised corn it's not all profit.But coming from a crop farming family one thing you can be sure of if it's corn you all want it's corn you'll get and plenty of it.I would'nt worry about short supplies.One thing farmers are good at is over produceing driveing the prices lower...

Good point Denny, We are a couple hundred miles north and a little west of you. I was out for a drive today, more corn planted than I have ever seen in this area. Shawn
 

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