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DiamondSCattleCo said:
In addition to battery power for short range jaunts in towns and cities, another technology that hasn't gotten a fair crack is canola based diesels. Research money for this technology pretty much dried up in the ethanol craze, even though canola crackers were truly making some gains. Energy levels were on the rise, and making it work in cold climates was beginning to get some real attention.

Rod

That is why I am so against the ethanol movement, once the government starts mandating ethanol as the answer for the future then all the other avenues that might have developed begin to dry up. In a free market the best system would win out, rather its ethanol, battery power, Hydrogen etc.....But once government sticks their noses in to it, who knows where will we end up.

The upside to me is there is plenty of technology to create other forms of energy, and if or when the oil fields dry up we will start using them. People want a cheaper energy but I do not believe that will ever happen, we will be strung along at the same rate of financial increase as we have always did. I say let the oil dry up and then necessity will force another energy source, nothing to loose sleep over!
 
I fail to see where the corn growers will stand to make a profit this year, no matter what corn prices do. Fuel is around $2.25/gal and more, seed is $170/bag, fertilizer is $600/ton, if you can get it........They probably made more money when corn was around $2.00/bu....the inputs were substantially less at that time. Plus, the irrigators in my area will be severely limited as to how much water they can use, if ANY! Hard to grow 200 bu+/acre when it's dryland.

Biodiesel makes more sense to me, as somebody here pointed out several weeks ago.
 
loomixguy said:
I fail to see where the corn growers will stand to make a profit this year, no matter what corn prices do. Fuel is around $2.25/gal and more, seed is $170/bag, fertilizer is $600/ton, if you can get it........They probably made more money when corn was around $2.00/bu....the inputs were substantially less at that time. Plus, the irrigators in my area will be severely limited as to how much water they can use, if ANY! Hard to grow 200 bu+/acre when it's dryland.

Biodiesel makes more sense to me, as somebody here pointed out several weeks ago.

Well your numbers are a bit off you can buy Roundup ready corn seed all over for $85 to $125 per bag some may be more also conventional seed started at around $45 per bag.Fertilizer here today is $400 per ton diesel is $2.35.Whats really jumped in price is Land Rent values.
 
Denny said:
loomixguy said:
I fail to see where the corn growers will stand to make a profit this year, no matter what corn prices do. Fuel is around $2.25/gal and more, seed is $170/bag, fertilizer is $600/ton, if you can get it........They probably made more money when corn was around $2.00/bu....the inputs were substantially less at that time. Plus, the irrigators in my area will be severely limited as to how much water they can use, if ANY! Hard to grow 200 bu+/acre when it's dryland.

Biodiesel makes more sense to me, as somebody here pointed out several weeks ago.

Well your numbers are a bit off you can buy Roundup ready corn seed all over for $85 to $125 per bag some may be more also conventional seed started at around $45 per bag.Fertilizer here today is $400 per ton diesel is $2.35.Whats really jumped in price is Land Rent values.
Actually his prices are a bit low for here,we are paying $3.22 for a gallon of diesel,the cheapest roundup ready corn i could find was $170 per bag,and liquid nitrogen was 57 cents a pound.I know that defiantly works out to more then $600 a ton.
 
Yeah right $3.80 corn and we are making money hand over fist...... Hello!!!!!!!!!! :shock: I'm for any kind of fuel that does not depend on the middle east........ Bring er on..... Oh yeah the reason we aren't getting good milage on E85 is because it's not in the interest of the big auto makers to do so....... It can be done......
 
3words said:
Denny said:
loomixguy said:
I fail to see where the corn growers will stand to make a profit this year, no matter what corn prices do. Fuel is around $2.25/gal and more, seed is $170/bag, fertilizer is $600/ton, if you can get it........They probably made more money when corn was around $2.00/bu....the inputs were substantially less at that time. Plus, the irrigators in my area will be severely limited as to how much water they can use, if ANY! Hard to grow 200 bu+/acre when it's dryland.

Biodiesel makes more sense to me, as somebody here pointed out several weeks ago.

Well your numbers are a bit off you can buy Roundup ready corn seed all over for $85 to $125 per bag some may be more also conventional seed started at around $45 per bag.Fertilizer here today is $400 per ton diesel is $2.35.Whats really jumped in price is Land Rent values.
Actually his prices are a bit low for here,we are paying $3.22 for a gallon of diesel,the cheapest roundup ready corn i could find was $170 per bag,and liquid nitrogen was 57 cents a pound.I know that defiantly works out to more then $600 a ton.

All in Canadian prices and money??

I know that your cost of living food.fuel etc.are all higher than what we pay here.

You could order RR Corn seed from Fielder's choice for $111 per bag as I had 30 bags bought at that price and decided that I was planting pea's and oats instead..We got fertilizer for $355 per ton here.Straight nitrogen was $400 a ton.I bought fuel in Jan for $1.89 per gallon #2 diesel farm fuel its now $2.35 for farm fuel road fuel is $2.90 per gallon..

Off brand generic RR Corn is $85 per bag and they have plenty if you need some.
 
CTL (coal to liquids) is the biggest thing we can do to try and reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Ethanol is a LOSER. We should have started CTL in earnest 10 years ago. I am afraid we are still 1-2 years away from starting now.

If you or your family has a little extra mattress money that you will not need for 5-10 years (this is not a short-term investment), consider investing in RTK (Rentech) and SSL (Sasol, Ltd), these are two companies that will do very well when we start the process in earnest. Or you could invest directly in coal via BTU (Peabody).

In my book, you can look out and cry about the future or you can see the trends and position you and your family to if not benefit at least hedge the losses. Make no mistake farming as we know it will not be around in 10-15 years. The fossil fuel inputs we'll just make all the fertilizer and heavy equipment impossible to operate at a profit.
 
katrina said:
Yeah right $3.80 corn and we are making money hand over fist...... Hello!!!!!!!!!! :shock: I'm for any kind of fuel that does not depend on the middle east........ Bring er on..... Oh yeah the reason we aren't getting good milage on E85 is because it's not in the interest of the big auto makers to do so....... It can be done......

Ethanol contains less energy than gasoline per gallon. This is a matter of science. Auto makers can not change this, anything they can do to make cars get better mileage with E85 would also increase the mileage on regular gasoline. E85 has 72% less energy than regular gasoline rather it is in a car or burning brush piles in the field, you will use more E85 than gasoline in either scenario, it is a scientific equation not a conspiracy.

For E85 you would have to buy around 125 gallons every time you buy 100 gallons of regular gasoline. At $3.00 per gallon on regular gasoline E85 would have to be $2.25 per gallon to break even.

At the average of 42 Cents taxes on a gallon of gasoline nation wide the government would make an extra $10.50 cents for the normal 100 gallons of gasoline used. They will increase their tax revenue by 25% with E85.

Oil not only fuels the world economy but it fuels the Governments, why would they want us going to something like battery power when they gain so much off of the current taxes on oil products? So they mandate a little ethanol, screw with the markets, appease the unknowing and get to keep their Tax dollars rolling in and possibly even increase them.
 
aplusmnt said:
katrina said:
Yeah right $3.80 corn and we are making money hand over fist...... Hello!!!!!!!!!! :shock: I'm for any kind of fuel that does not depend on the middle east........ Bring er on..... Oh yeah the reason we aren't getting good milage on E85 is because it's not in the interest of the big auto makers to do so....... It can be done......

Ethanol contains less energy than gasoline per gallon. This is a matter of science. Auto makers can not change this, anything they can do to make cars get better mileage with E85 would also increase the mileage on regular gasoline. E85 has 72% less energy than regular gasoline rather it is in a car or burning brush piles in the field, you will use more E85 than gasoline in either scenario, it is a scientific equation not a conspiracy.

For E85 you would have to buy around 125 gallons every time you buy 100 gallons of regular gasoline. At $3.00 per gallon on regular gasoline E85 would have to be $2.25 per gallon to break even.

At the average of 42 Cents taxes on a gallon of gasoline nation wide the government would make an extra $10.50 cents for the normal 100 gallons of gasoline used. They will increase their tax revenue by 25% with E85.

Oil not only fuels the world economy but it fuels the Governments, why would they want us going to something like battery power when they gain so much off of the current taxes on oil products? So they mandate a little ethanol, screw with the markets, appease the unknowing and get to keep their Tax dollars rolling in and possibly even increase them.

RENEWABLE! RENEWABLE! Do you have kids or grandkids? China and India are adding 5000 vehicles to there road systems per day. fossil fuels will run out, not in a year not in ten years, but at some point it will run out. As far as the exise tax per gallon it should be adjusted accordingly for e-85. Shawn
 
SHAWN said:
aplusmnt said:
katrina said:
Yeah right $3.80 corn and we are making money hand over fist...... Hello!!!!!!!!!! :shock: I'm for any kind of fuel that does not depend on the middle east........ Bring er on..... Oh yeah the reason we aren't getting good milage on E85 is because it's not in the interest of the big auto makers to do so....... It can be done......

Ethanol contains less energy than gasoline per gallon. This is a matter of science. Auto makers can not change this, anything they can do to make cars get better mileage with E85 would also increase the mileage on regular gasoline. E85 has 72% less energy than regular gasoline rather it is in a car or burning brush piles in the field, you will use more E85 than gasoline in either scenario, it is a scientific equation not a conspiracy.

For E85 you would have to buy around 125 gallons every time you buy 100 gallons of regular gasoline. At $3.00 per gallon on regular gasoline E85 would have to be $2.25 per gallon to break even.

At the average of 42 Cents taxes on a gallon of gasoline nation wide the government would make an extra $10.50 cents for the normal 100 gallons of gasoline used. They will increase their tax revenue by 25% with E85.

Oil not only fuels the world economy but it fuels the Governments, why would they want us going to something like battery power when they gain so much off of the current taxes on oil products? So they mandate a little ethanol, screw with the markets, appease the unknowing and get to keep their Tax dollars rolling in and possibly even increase them.

RENEWABLE! RENEWABLE! Do you have kids or grandkids? China and India are adding 5000 vehicles to there road systems per day. fossil fuels will run out, not in a year not in ten years, but at some point it will run out. As far as the exise tax per gallon it should be adjusted accordingly for e-85. Shawn

Yea and that is why I believe in looking at a whole other avenue instead of trying to figure out a way to keep things the same as they are currently. Why try to find other ways to keep us dependent on Oil? Why not go a whole other direction were we use no oil? Like Battery power?

We have to think outside the box, not continue to try to keep the old system of energy going. Make cars run on batteries, and farm equipment and Large trucks run on bio-diesel and our dependency on foreign oil is solved as well as it being renewable.

This will not happen for a long time because the powers who be make to much money off of the current outdated system. They will just throw us an ethanol blanket for a while to keep people feeling all warm and fuzzy inside.
 
aplusmnt said:
SHAWN said:
aplusmnt said:
Ethanol contains less energy than gasoline per gallon. This is a matter of science. Auto makers can not change this, anything they can do to make cars get better mileage with E85 would also increase the mileage on regular gasoline. E85 has 72% less energy than regular gasoline rather it is in a car or burning brush piles in the field, you will use more E85 than gasoline in either scenario, it is a scientific equation not a conspiracy.

For E85 you would have to buy around 125 gallons every time you buy 100 gallons of regular gasoline. At $3.00 per gallon on regular gasoline E85 would have to be $2.25 per gallon to break even.

At the average of 42 Cents taxes on a gallon of gasoline nation wide the government would make an extra $10.50 cents for the normal 100 gallons of gasoline used. They will increase their tax revenue by 25% with E85.

Oil not only fuels the world economy but it fuels the Governments, why would they want us going to something like battery power when they gain so much off of the current taxes on oil products? So they mandate a little ethanol, screw with the markets, appease the unknowing and get to keep their Tax dollars rolling in and possibly even increase them.

RENEWABLE! RENEWABLE! Do you have kids or grandkids? China and India are adding 5000 vehicles to there road systems per day. fossil fuels will run out, not in a year not in ten years, but at some point it will run out. As far as the exise tax per gallon it should be adjusted accordingly for e-85. Shawn

Yea and that is why I believe in looking at a whole other avenue instead of trying to figure out a way to keep things the same as they are currently. Why try to find other ways to keep us dependent on Oil? Why not go a whole other direction were we use no oil? Like Battery power?

We have to think outside the box, not continue to try to keep the old system of energy going. Make cars run on batteries, and farm equipment and Large trucks run on bio-diesel and our dependency on foreign oil is solved as well as it being renewable.

This will not happen for a long time because the powers who be make to much money off of the current outdated system. They will just throw us an ethanol blanket for a while to keep people feeling all warm and fuzzy inside.
I think we are on the same page, just different paragraghs :wink: I am 38 yrs old, I wonder if I will see a major change in my life???
 
Has their been any studies done on animal fat to be used as fuel? With all the cattle that are processed every day and so many yield grade 3's, 4's, and 5's. I would think that this could make alot of fuel.
 
Has their been any studies done on animal fat to be used as fuel? With all the cattle that are processed every day and so many yield grade 3's, 4's, and 5's. I would think that this could make alot of fuel
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I think there has been... Give me some time to try and find the articles... Works for me!!
 
BRG said:
Has their been any studies done on animal fat to be used as fuel? With all the cattle that are processed every day and so many yield grade 3's, 4's, and 5's. I would think that this could make alot of fuel.

I believe it is either Smithfield or Tyson that has recently formed a JD with Conoco for that very thing.
 
Conoco has a JV with Tyson to use chicken by-products to make bio-diesel. A squandering of my money. As a COP shareholder I think it's chickenscat. All for publicity: "were not a big bad oil company"
 
BRG said:
Has their been any studies done on animal fat to be used as fuel? With all the cattle that are processed every day and so many yield grade 3's, 4's, and 5's. I would think that this could make alot of fuel.

Wood, hemp, straw, corn, garbage, food scraps, and sewage-sludge, natural gas and Coal can all be used to make diesel.

The diesel engine and bio-diesel offer a lot more than ethanol in my opinion. Diesel engines were originally designed to run on coal and vegetable oil, it was not until the oil companies got involved that it was made from oil. Some people believe that the inventor of the Diesel motor was even murdered at the hand of the oil companies because he offered an alternative energy source, it was not until he died that Diesel was marketed as only being derived from oil.

Diesel or bio-diesel unlike ethanol if more efficient than regular gasoline. And even though it usually has more emissions, due to the fact you use less of it, it can be said to be a cleaner fuel. Especially with the new lower sulphur fuels.
 
Switchgrass Shows Fuel Potential In Ohio
Ohio State University researchers are evaluating switchgrass production in Ohio for potential biofuels production. Three years of preliminary switchgrass research suggest production is feasible in the state, they say. But it will be at least another year before the crop is harvested and data generated to evaluate its production and economic efficiencies.

"We have been able to grow very good stands of switchgrass at three Ohio sites: the Jackson and Western agricultural research stations, and the Ohio Agricultural Research and Development Center (OARDC), Hoytville branch," says soil scientist Rattan Lal. "The goal is to see how much biomass switchgrass grown in Ohio can produce and what impact the crop has on soil properties and soil carbon sequestration," adds Lal, also director of the OARDC Carbon Management and Sequestration Center.

Switchgrass, a native, warm-season summer perennial, can produce 8-10 tons per acre of biomass, potentially producing 1,000 gallons of ethanol per acre, compared to 400 gallons per acre for corn. Switchgrass has lower management inputs and is also tolerant of poor soils, flooding and drought. But there are production challenges.

"Switchgrass is difficult to establish," Lal says. "Our initial establishment was not easy and we even had to do some replanting and transferring from greenhouses. Once switchgrass is established, however, it's a remarkable species, growing quite successfully, especially in no-till systems." The grass reaches full yield only in the third year after planting. When managed for energy production it can be cut once or twice a year with regular hay or silage equipment.

For additional information on using switchgrass for biofuels, visit hayandforage.com


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Switchgrass Incentives May Be In Farm Bill
The House and Senate Ag Committees are considering adding incentives to the energy and conservations portions of the 2007 farm bill that have to do with cellulosic-based feedstocks for ethanol, says Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA), as quoted in Delta Farm Press.

"There are a lot of ideas that are being thrown around on the table, and I have no idea at this point where we will wind up," he says. "But ... we want to give some incentives out there for that additional stream of income from a cellulosic-based ethanol and biofuels standpoint." Two bills recently introduced include the Farm-to-Fuel Investment Act and the Biofuels Innovation Program Act (BIP).

The Farm-to-Fuel Investment Act aims to reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil by encouraging American farmers to produce cellulosic energy crops. Senators Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), Tom Harkin (D-IA) and Kent Conrad (D-ND) drafted the bill. It would provide transition assistance for farmers to grow dedicated energy crops like switchgrass in an area 50 miles around biorefineries that will produce fuels like cellulosic ethanol. To participate, farmers would have to agree to adopt conservation practices for soil and water quality and wildlife habitat. This legislation also allows for an additional incentive to farmers who produce native perennial energy crops, such as prairie grass mixtures, because of the conservation benefits those crops provide.

The Biofuels Innovation Program Act, unveiled by senators John Thune (R-SD) and Ben Nelson (D-NE), would also help farmers and ranchers transition to biofuels production. It allows for feasibility studies to evaluate the likelihood of building a future biorefinery; the local potential for production of biomass resources, such as switchgrass and fast-growing trees; the number of interested producers; and the economic impact a future biorefinery would have on the local community.

Once a BIP proposal is approved by USDA, participating producers could enroll eligible land in the BIP program. They would receive a cost share for planting energy-dedicated crops and a per-acre rental payment. Once the biorefinery is operational, the rental payment would end and the producer would receive a matching payment up to $45/ton of biomass delivered to the biorefinery for up to two years. This legislation also authorizes matching payments on a per-ton basis to producers anywhere in the U.S. who sell crop byproducts and residues such as corn stover and straw to biofuels facilities for ethanol or other alternative energy production. These matching payments may be made for up to two years and are also capped at $45/ton.

"If cellulosic ethanol is to achieve its potential," says Thune, "it is critical that Congress help this industry overcome initial market barriers." The legislation would spur the construction of biorefineries across the country and provide incentives to farmers in surrounding areas to grow energy-dedicated crops, he adds.
 
Saudi Arabia is running the U.S. economy.

I'm not sure the Saudis want the task, but they've got it. Because the United States still doesn't have a national energy policy, we've thrown decisions about how fast our economy grows and whether our standard of living rises or falls into the hands of Saudi Arabia's oil ministry.

That's risky, since the economic self-interest of Saudi Arabia and the United States aren't always aligned, and because keeping the fractious and often dysfunctional governments of the world's oil producers on the same economic course is a whole lot harder than building consensus among the governors of the Federal Reserve.

Fed ain't what it used to be
Remember the good ol' days? Back when the U.S. Federal Reserve and its chairman were in charge of our economy? The Fed would try to find a delicate balance in setting interest rates: High enough to control inflation and low enough to encourage economic growth. Once upon a time, those policy changes were actually the most important decisions anyone made about the U.S. economy.

By the Fed's own admission, the growth of global liquidity has reduced the U.S. central bank's ability to control interest rates -- and thus the economy -- in the United States. Think about this: The Fed raises short-term interest rates relentlessly from their 1% low in June 2003, and yet long-term rates sink as global cash flows overwhelm the Fed's domestic policy shifts.

Still, the U.S. stock and bond markets hang on the Federal Reserve's every word. Just last week the stock market rallied on the release of minutes from the Fed's rate-setting body, the Open Market Committee.

How quaint. Investors would be better off parsing the comments of Saudi oil minister Ali Naimi.

Saudi have the clout
It's now Saudi Arabia that's trying to find a delicate balance. In the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), the Saudis are the swing producer -- the only major oil producer with enough extra production capacity to increase supply when the price of a barrel of crude soars, and the only major oil producer with the political will and foresight to cut supply when prices fall too low. Right now, the Saudis are producing at 8.5 million barrels a day. Depending on whose figures you believe, their production capacity is anywhere from 9 million to 11 million barrels a day.

If the Saudis allow oil prices to climb too high, then consumers will cut back on use, and energy alternatives will become sufficiently attractive to investors to cut into oil's share of the global energy market. Worst case: Oil prices will climb so high that they cause a global recession that will certainly cut demand.




If the Saudis allow oil prices to fall too much, they will reduce the revenue they get for oil and reduce their clout among those oil-producing countries that are only willing to follow the Saudi lead as long as it lines their pockets. Worst case: Revenue falls so far that the Saudis and other oil-producing countries don't have the cash to support their own plans for growing their economies and providing the jobs and subsidies that keep many oil-country governments in power.

An oil-thirsty world
One source of Saudi Arabia's economic clout lies in the galloping global -- and U.S. -- demand for oil. The U.S. Energy Information Administration forecasts that total world demand for petroleum will reach 118 million barrels a day in 2030, up from 83 million barrels a day in 2004.

It wouldn't matter if the world was awash in oil right now or if finding new reserves of oil hadn't become so difficult and expensive. Oil supply right now is at 83 million barrels a day, the Energy Information Administration calculates, about even with demand. To meet projected demand, oil supply will have to grow by about 33% from 2004 to 2030. That's a huge increase since, according to the agency, oil production in non-OPEC countries will be flat in the period and falling in such current big suppliers as Mexico and Venezuela.

Only if OPEC increases its production by 14 million barrels a day by 2030 will global supply match global demand. And the biggest chunk of that extra production will have to come from Saudi Arabia, where the Energy Information Administration is projecting an increase in production to 16.4 million barrels a day in 2030 from 11 million barrels a day now. That's roughly a 50% increase.

Demand, prices both rise
The other source of Saudi economic clout derives from the fact that the world is so hooked on oil -- so crucial to development in emerging economies -- that demand for oil goes up even as oil prices rise. In 2006, oil industry analysts calculate, global oil demand grew at a rate of 800,000 barrels a day. When oil is less expensive, as it looks likely to be in 2007 when the average price per barrel is forecast at closer to $62 than to 2006's average of $66, demand grows even faster. In 2007, growth in global demand is forecast at 1.3 million barrels a day.

The U.S. economy is no exception. Total oil imports into the United States jumped by 14% in March from February to hit record levels. And even as gasoline prices soar in the United States, consumption growth continues. U.S. gasoline demand in May was up about 1% from May 2006.

How much clout does that give the Saudis over the U.S. economy? The United States imports about two-thirds of its oil at a cost of about $300 billion a year. According to a study by the Rand Corp., each $10 increase in the cost of a barrel costs the average American household $700 a year.

Oil up, GDP growth down
In January 2004, the price of oil was $34.27 a barrel, according to the St. Louis Federal Reserve. It closed at $65.08 on June 1, 2007. Using Rand's numbers, that's an increase of $2,156 per household for oil. In that same period -- when the Federal Reserve's short-term interest rate increases pushed the yield on the 10-year Treasury note to 4.95% from 4.30% -- U.S. Gross Domestic Product growth dropped from 3.9% in 2004 to 3.2% in 2005, 3.3% in 2006 and to 0.6% in the first quarter of 2007. I certainly can't tease out the effects of higher oil prices from the effects of higher interest rates, but my suspicion is that the former has had a bigger effect on the U.S. economy in this period than the latter, thanks to the continued availability of cheap money from global sources such as Japan.

Saudi Arabia has no interest in killing the U.S. or the global golden goose. Sending our economy or, worse yet, the global economy into a recession, or even quarter after quarter of growth below 2%, would wreak havoc with Saudi revenues.



Many oil producers use oil revenue for political gains, but Saudi Arabia actually has a relatively reasonable long-term view, says MSN Money's Jim Jubak. That's better than what we see from countries like Iran and Mexico, who manage their oil for short-term gains, he adds.

But it is in Saudi self-interest to charge the most the market will bear; after all, oil is an exhaustible resource. Even though we can debate about when that resource might be so depleted that Saudi Arabia can't produce significant oil, we all know that one day the oil will be gone. So every time a terrorist attack in Nigeria, a flare-up in tension between the United States and Iran or an expropriation by Venezuela's Hugo Chavez spikes the price of oil, you can bet the Saudis are studying the market response. If a price spike doesn't result in a significant decline in consumption, then the inclination of any rational oil producer would be to let prices drift higher (or to push them higher by cutting production).



And it won't end soon
I have bad news for anybody who thinks that this Saudi control over the U.S. and global economies is a brief phase that will end by itself. The decision among oil producers such as Saudi Arabia to shift away from being a mere producer of crude oil to becoming a producer of value-added products made from oil -- such as gasoline, fertilizer and plastics -- will prolong the economic clout of these countries. Saudi Arabia will go from being the low-cost swing producer of crude oil to being the low-cost dominant producer in gasoline, fertilizer and plastics.

The cost advantages that Saudi Arabia brings to the game are huge. Methane and ethane, key feed stocks for petrochemical production, cost about 75 cents per million BTU in Saudi Arabia and $7.50 per million BTU (for methane) on New York commodity markets. Within five or 10 years, new industries now being built in Saudi Arabia are likely to soak up cheap natural-gas-feed stocks such as these. But even if the country has to switch to refined feed stocks such as naphtha, Saudi Arabia will have a huge cost advantage. Naphtha from a Saudi refinery might cost $50 per metric ton compared to a market price of 10 times that from a refinery elsewhere in the world.

It's up to the consumer
The only thing that changes this game -- that redresses the balance between supplier economies and consumer economies -- is a change in the price signals that consumer economies send in response to price increases. As long as the response to an increase in the price of oil is an increase in consumption, then oil prices will drift higher at a pace set by the self-interest of oil producers. Those of us who live in the consuming economies will just have to hope that the Saudis and other oil producers efficiently milk consuming countries' cash-cow economies.

On the other hand, if higher prices lead to less consumption because consumers become permanently more efficient in the ways they use energy, and because consuming economies adopt lasting sources of alternative supply (and don't abandon them at the next dip in oil prices), then consuming countries have a chance to take back some degree of control over their own economies.




And then -- oh joy, oh rapture -- once again, investors would be justified in hanging on every one of Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke's words.

New developments on past columns
"Make a profit, save the world": It's a common problem for young companies with big potential but small sales. In its May 2 report of first-quarter results, Maxwell Technologies (MXWL, news, msgs) announced that two big customers had delayed ultracapacitor shipments late in the quarter. Instead of revenue of $14 million for the quarter -- the Wall Street consensus -- the company saw only $12.3 million. The loss for the quarter came to 25 cents a share, a couple of pennies greater than expected.

Worst of all, the company said that because of rising orders (good news from other perspectives) and delays in shipment, inventory was climbing and that was eating cash. Unrestricted cash declined to $2.1 million from $11.4 million at the end of 2006. To meet its cash needs, the company will do a stock offering -- a million shares to raise a little more than $10 million. That would dilute the stake held by current shareholders.

So it's no wonder that the stock fell to a low of $11.24 on May 15. It's been on the rebound ever since as investors got over the disappointment at the near-term bad news and again focused on the long-term picture. Shipments to those two big customers were only delayed -- not canceled -- and shipments to a big former customer, a European telecommunications company, should resume late in the second quarter. Design wins for the company's ultracapacitors in heavy transportation and industrial uses are just slowly starting to turn into orders -- and the company's position in this energy-storage technology is the reason to own the stock, in my opinion. Revenue in the ultracapacitor business, about 26% of Maxwell's revenue right now, should grow by about 40% in 2007 and then accelerate to 100% in 2008



Many oil producers use oil revenue for political gains, but Saudi Arabia actually has a relatively reasonable long-term view, says MSN Money's Jim Jubak. That's better than what we see from countries like Iran and Mexico, who manage their oil for short-term gains, he adds.

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Katrina, bless you. Excellant post. I am with you 100%. The sooner we tell the rag-heads to take and shove their oil, the better off we will be.
When I am 105 yrs old and paying $9.00 a gallon for USA bio-diesel, I will be calling this the good old days when we started producing our own energy.
 

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