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HP, yes can after can of soda pop, smokes, alcohol, drugs and many other things will kill people off. Agreed. Yes they are far worse than grain-fed beef. Agreed.

The point of my post was not that grass-fed tastes better, grass-fed is better, or grass-fed is healthier neccessarily, and I said that in my post. My whole point is that if you think your grain-fed OR GRASSFED products are as healthy as they can be, but you haven't tested them or your soils, you cannot confidently say that it's a healthy product.

I cannot say that my beef - grained or grassed - is healthy and nutrient dense unless I monitor the Brix levels of the feed/forage, and then also test the product.

As for your statement of how beef is 240% higher priced than chicken in the grocery store, how much of that margin comes back to you? You made the statement as if it's a good thing that beef is so high priced - why? I don't care what the retailer is selling it for, because they aren't sharing a damn bit with the producer.

If you think I'm taking it a bit far, that's fine, I respect your opinion and value your input. I admit I lean towards the Joel Salatin opinion on things, that all people should get their grub directly from a farmer. I look at how my neighbours, and my family in the past, have struggled growing crops, and raising livestock. I think about how much work, effort, blood, sweat and tears goes into their farms and ranches every day. That's what makes me always look for a better way. Why couldn't they be growing organic vegetables instead of GMO canola? Or maybe pastured pork and poultry instead of scraping by on 80 cent calves. There are examples of people doing these things and making great money at it, everywhere you look. The only thing holding me back is me, and the only thing holding you back is you. I'm not presuming to know you, or to know that you need to change anything. Just saying I see farmers everywhere I go, losing money, on the verge of bankruptcy, losing their families, and I think, why? Why not make a few changes and take control?

When you say, "It's not for everybody..." that may be the only thing you say that gets under my skin. Stop and think about it, it may not work for everybody, but it DOESN"T HAVE TO. It only has to work for you.

<blockquote data-quote="PureCountry" data-source="post: 350093" data-attributes="member: 737">HP, yes can after can of soda pop, smokes, alcohol, drugs and many other things will kill people off. Agreed. Yes they are far worse than grain-fed beef. Agreed.The point of my post was not that grass-fed tastes better, grass-fed is better, or grass-fed is healthier neccessarily, and I said that in my post. My whole point is that if you think your grain-fed OR GRASSFED products are as healthy as they can be, but you haven&#039;t tested them or your soils, you cannot confidently say that it&#039;s a healthy product.I cannot say that my beef - grained or grassed - is healthy and nutrient dense unless I monitor the Brix levels of the feed/forage, and then also test the product.As for your statement of how beef is 240% higher priced than chicken in the grocery store, how much of that margin comes back to you? You made the statement as if it&#039;s a good thing that beef is so high priced - why? I don&#039;t care what the retailer is selling it for, because they aren&#039;t sharing a damn bit with the producer. If you think I&#039;m taking it a bit far, that&#039;s fine, I respect your opinion and value your input. I admit I lean towards the Joel Salatin opinion on things, that all people should get their grub directly from a farmer. I look at how my neighbours, and my family in the past, have struggled growing crops, and raising livestock. I think about how much work, effort, blood, sweat and tears goes into their farms and ranches every day. That&#039;s what makes me always look for a better way. Why couldn&#039;t they be growing organic vegetables instead of GMO canola? Or maybe pastured pork and poultry instead of scraping by on 80 cent calves. There are examples of people doing these things and making great money at it, everywhere you look. The only thing holding me back is me, and the only thing holding you back is you. I&#039;m not presuming to know you, or to know that you need to change anything. Just saying I see farmers everywhere I go, losing money, on the verge of bankruptcy, losing their families, and I think, why? Why not make a few changes and take control?When you say, &quot;It&#039;s not for everybody...&quot; that may be the only thing you say that gets under my skin. Stop and think about it, it may not work for everybody, but it DOESN&quot;T HAVE TO. It only has to work for you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="PureCountry, post: 350093, member: 737"] HP, yes can after can of soda pop, smokes, alcohol, drugs and many other things will kill people off. Agreed. Yes they are far worse than grain-fed beef. Agreed. The point of my post was not that grass-fed tastes better, grass-fed is better, or grass-fed is healthier neccessarily, and I said that in my post. My whole point is that if you think your grain-fed OR GRASSFED products are as healthy as they can be, but you haven't tested them or your soils, you cannot confidently say that it's a healthy product. I cannot say that my beef - grained or grassed - is healthy and nutrient dense unless I monitor the Brix levels of the feed/forage, and then also test the product. As for your statement of how beef is 240% higher priced than chicken in the grocery store, how much of that margin comes back to you? You made the statement as if it's a good thing that beef is so high priced - why? I don't care what the retailer is selling it for, because they aren't sharing a damn bit with the producer. If you think I'm taking it a bit far, that's fine, I respect your opinion and value your input. I admit I lean towards the Joel Salatin opinion on things, that all people should get their grub directly from a farmer. I look at how my neighbours, and my family in the past, have struggled growing crops, and raising livestock. I think about how much work, effort, blood, sweat and tears goes into their farms and ranches every day. That's what makes me always look for a better way. Why couldn't they be growing organic vegetables instead of GMO canola? Or maybe pastured pork and poultry instead of scraping by on 80 cent calves. There are examples of people doing these things and making great money at it, everywhere you look. The only thing holding me back is me, and the only thing holding you back is you. I'm not presuming to know you, or to know that you need to change anything. Just saying I see farmers everywhere I go, losing money, on the verge of bankruptcy, losing their families, and I think, why? Why not make a few changes and take control? When you say, "It's not for everybody..." that may be the only thing you say that gets under my skin. Stop and think about it, it may not work for everybody, but it DOESN"T HAVE TO. It only has to work for you. [/QUOTE]

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