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Genetice defect for Mytty in Focus?

My cousin bred his heifers to Mytty In Focus and he has a bunch of nice calves this spring. I havent heard anything but I hardly get anyone to talk to me! :wink: :cry:
 
Faster Horses-Specifically I have heard nothing tying directly with In Focus- and there are a passel of In Focus calves out there ... It seems like right about now much of the purebred angus folks are in "Genetic Hysteria"....With the discovery (admittance :???: ) of the Curly Calf Syndrome (AM) in the Precision bloodlines- and the discovery (admittance :???: ) of the Fawn Calf Syndrome (FCS) and a couple differing types of dwarf syndromes- much of which seem to follow some of those same bloodlines...
I see on the Advantage Cattle site- they are now talking about finding "Inside Out" angus calves - something I thought previously had only been mostly a problem in Continentals and mostly Simmis...

Some of this has came about due to the further development of DNA testing- the ability to recognize these defects by the genes and the development of genetic tests for them...And the Labs will get rich off all the testing that will be done in the years to come...And until the tests are developed and the animals tested- there will be rumours flying about each and every one...

I have my own beliefs on how some of these genetic defects came to be in some of these performance bred angus cattle (defects that before had only shown up in some of the Continental breeds) --where in this day and age GREED seems to override ETHICS in much of business- and people cut some corners trying to get the Bigger Better Faster models....

FH- Maybe you noticed this paragraph in Gregg Golden's catalog:

In this day of A.I. and the saturation of the gene pool in the angus breed, we chose to stay the course. This herd is free of and has NO 9J9-Precision, NO Fame-Focus, NO 315-036-New Design and NO Bando 155-Bando 598. We dedicate ourselves to try to preserve genetics that made Angus, Angus......Fresh new genetics from old proven lines for the saturation of the Angus gene pool....
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A lot of the reg. people are over-reacting to the old adage " shite happens".

If you calve enough calves....you're gonna have something messed up. It's nature and you can't predict nature , even as hard as they may try.

People put WAY WAY too much on just the EPD's and the numbers alone. You need to study histories of the herds and sires also.

Like with the Curly Calf deal....that bull had been around for over 20+ yrs and then all of a sudden they start up with this.

This whole CC calf thing is a grudge match between egos in the business. Unfortunately, people jumped on the band wagon, over reacted and one guy won and destroyed a great line of cattle in the process, I hope he's happy.

I know of people who sold out whole herds of Precision based cattle and they had NEVER EVER had a CC calf....NEVER! But, went wild and sold out instead of sitting back and thinking it out .


Do research for yourself.... & not ' what other people say'......that applies to anything. :lol:
 
Kola- I have to agree with you on much of what you said...I can remember back to when I was a tadpole and Grandpa cussed because he had a dwarf out of a hereford cow/bull- and he contacted his bull supplier and they worked together and figured out probably where it came from- and handled it....And over time it got worked out....

And I don't think all the problems some of the angus folks are creating for themselves are as dire as they portray-- as there are 100's or thousands or more of bulls/cows/bloodlines that aren't connected to anything yet found positive or a problem for any genetic problem- and that have been used for generations of cows with no problems- some linebred heavily for multigenerations.......
If you listen to some of these folks they are spending more time peeing their pants over their multi thousand dollar bigger, better, faster, bull/cow/embryo investments than they are over just running some good honest cattle...

I do have to put some of the blame/criticism back on the AAA- since I think the last few years, they acted like our GW government did - with lack of transparency- ( what they don't know won't hurt them- and we know what is best for them :???: )-- as 2-3-4 years ago I was getting rumors of genetic defects on some bulls like Future Direction- but even after calling the state directors they knew nothing about it- or were speculating on rumor only- or lying :???: (which I doubt because they are honorable people- just possibly uninformed)...

I get the impression this may be "changing" and that they will be much more open with producers and work toward taking care of the problem, rather than sticking their head in the sand and hoping it goes away.....I only hope the major seedstock folks with all the bucks- that seem to have the big power in the association- will go along with this transparency....

Either way- as far as I'm concerned the angus breed of cattle still offers the biggest genetic base- which includes some of the broadest extremes- and choices- of any breed- and- especially in the old bloodlines- still offers the best maternal cows made.......
 
As far as the above mentioned bull having a genetic defect I have no knowledge. The curly calf (AM) deal is a real deal and for those that po-po the issue saying it won't affect them you are just flat wrong. Just heard of a commercial cowman that has has several already this year. There are still Angus breeders in this area selling bulls out of carriers that are not tested. Those bulls will sire more carriers in commercial herds somehwhere. Not all of those carriers will be fed to slaughter. Take a minute a think will it make the average commercial Angus femle more valuable or less. Seems the Angus breed must be trying to promote Herefords by keeping its head in the sand for so long. The purebred breeders that have been linebreeding 9J9 for over 20 years have known about this for quite a while and what did they do?
 
as a Hereford breeeder, I welcome this news, and hope to see more of it in the future.
I am so tired of taking better cattle to the sale, and getting a shade less due to color.
 
WB said:
As far as the above mentioned bull having a genetic defect I have no knowledge. The curly calf (AM) deal is a real deal and for those that po-po the issue saying it won't affect them you are just flat wrong. Just heard of a commercial cowman that has has several already this year. There are still Angus breeders in this area selling bulls out of carriers that are not tested. Those bulls will sire more carriers in commercial herds somehwhere. Not all of those carriers will be fed to slaughter. Take a minute a think will it make the average commercial Angus femle more valuable or less. Seems the Angus breed must be trying to promote Herefords by keeping its head in the sand for so long. The purebred breeders that have been linebreeding 9J9 for over 20 years have known about this for quite a while and what did they do?
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The way to take care of that problem is for no one to buy their bulls or buy seedstock from such unscrupulous breeders...

My point is that- anyway with the curly calf (AM) deal- there are so many other bloodlines available in the angus breed- and so many 100's and thousands of sires that have been tested clean- or have no relation to the defect bulls- why would anyone want to even deal with someone that is using the bad bloodlines- and then especially if they aren't getting them tested...
 
kolanuraven said:
A lot of the reg. people are over-reacting to the old adage " shite happens".

If you calve enough calves....you're gonna have something messed up. It's nature and you can't predict nature , even as hard as they may try.

People put WAY WAY too much on just the EPD's and the numbers alone. You need to study histories of the herds and sires also.

Like with the Curly Calf deal....that bull had been around for over 20+ yrs and then all of a sudden they start up with this.

This whole CC calf thing is a grudge match between egos in the business. Unfortunately, people jumped on the band wagon, over reacted and one guy won and destroyed a great line of cattle in the process, I hope he's happy.

I know of people who sold out whole herds of Precision based cattle and they had NEVER EVER had a CC calf....NEVER! But, went wild and sold out instead of sitting back and thinking it out .


Do research for yourself.... & not ' what other people say'......that applies to anything. :lol:
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I have been testing and have several positive cows. I am now testing the calves and daughters I will have to test the new calves when born this fall. I am moving all the positive cows to a separate pasture to be sold for slaughter only when they wean in 2010.
I took one positive cow, which was open, to the stockyard last week. It seemed like a waist of a very nice young cow. She was four years old and 1620 pounds. She brought 48.5 cents a pound.
We are testing all the way down the line and selling any positive cows and or calves for slaughter but it will be this time next year before I am finished with this.
Now they are talking about two new genetic defects. Will I have any cattle left after we sort through all this? I some times wonder if I should just buy a good horned Herford and start selling baldy cattle. No more AI and heat detection.
 
FH, had a friend call this morning saying the same thing you did, but he didn't have much detail yet...will let you know what he finds out as he is the type not to let it rest, he said a big outfit in the US is also pursuing legal matters against the American Angus Assoc., could get interesting to see where that goes :wink:
 
kolanuraven said:
alabama said:
I have several cows sired by In Focus's sire, SAF Focus of ER. Should I be worried?
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No
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Kolas right Alabama-- both In Focus and Focus of ER have been tested AMF (non genetic carriers)....Should be no worry with them...
 

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