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Hey Jigs, Size matters.

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Size Matters In The Cow Calf Business



Economies of scale are an important consideration for any business and can lead to greater profitability. However if that greater scale principle is applied to individual cow weights on the ranch we quickly find out that bigger is not better.



Variation in individual cow weights in the U.S. is up to 1,000 pounds. It is not uncommon to see variation of this magnitude in any given herd, even relatively small herds. Kris Ringwall of North Dakota State University recently reported in Beef Talk that the mature weight of 102 cows in two herds at the Dickinson Research Extension Center in Dickenson, ND ranged from 856 to 1935 pounds. These cattle are actually in two herds with average weights of 1216 and 1571 pounds, respectively and are likely representative in size of not only cattle in North Dakota but the entire U.S.



Dr. John Paterson found similar magnitude in the variation in cow size among the Montana ranches participating in the Montana Beef Network. One of the ranches we visited near Big Timber had an average cow weight of well over 1300 pounds. The heaviest cow was just over 1900 pounds. To their surprise when they weaned her calf it weighed 305 pounds. That is not a heavy enough calf to pay that cow's winter-feed bill let alone the entirety of her annual expenses. Not surprisingly the ranch manager punched her ticket for a trip on the first truckload of cull cows to the cow processor. Frankly we have countless cows across the U.S. that are high-cost and inefficient that need to be removed the production system.



If the objective of our cow calf operations is to produce a calf that weighs between 550 and 650 pounds at 7 months of age of a quality and type to fit into our growing and finishing systems as economically as possible then how does mature weight of the cow impact that objective? One would logically expect that larger cows are more capable of producing large calves than small cows, but at what cost?



We expect a cow to wean a calf that is close to 50% of her mature weight every 365 days. This is a reasonable goal that is achieved in the more efficient operations. If a good cow can produce 50% of her body weight in the form of a calf every year then we don't need cows that weigh in excess of 1300 pounds. Cows in commercial cow/calf operations that weight over 1300 pounds are increasingly challenged to produce at this rate.



Increasing cow size has a point of diminishing returns. At some point an increase in mature weight no longer returns a sufficient return in increasing calf weight to offset the cost of the heavier cow. As cows increase in weight they have an increasingly difficult time weaning a calf that will equal 50% of their body weight. Very seldom does a 1500-pound cow wean a 750-pound calf let alone a 1900-pound cow weaning a 950-pound calf.



Of course weaning weight of a calf is more a result of a cow's milking ability than her size. In our quest to increase, and subsequently select for, weight gain performance we have correspondingly selected for increased mature size as the two are highly correlated. This selection for growth in heifers over maternal qualities in retaining replacements has led to larger cows that consume more increasingly costly forage with marginal improvements in weaning weight productivity.



These larger cows may possess the genotype to produce very large calves, but the nutritional environment required to support that production is the exception not the rule on most ranches. Large cows have higher nutritional requirements, require more supplementation and thus incur higher input costs to maintain productivity. At today's prices for hay, supplement and mineral it is estimated that for every 100 pounds of mature weight an additional $15-$20 is required per year in costs for those three inputs alone.



In addition, the larger cows consume more forage during the grazing season. That extra 100 pounds increased dry matter intake by approximately 1.83 pounds per day during the grazing season at the NDSU research facility in Dickenson. Depending on the length of the grazing season that would amount to between 200 and 300 pounds of additional dry matter per cow for each 100 pounds increase in body weight.



Using the1.83 pounds of forage per day the annualized forage dry matter requirement difference for the 100-pound difference in body weight is 668 pounds. The difference in average body weight of the NDSU herds is 355 pounds. Assume those two herds each contains 50 cows and the difference in forage dry matter required annually is 118,570 pounds or nearly 60 tons. Sixty additional tons for those fifty larger cows is not economically sustainable. How do you suppose those two herds will each respond to drought conditions?



The logical next question, how many additional cows can you run on 60 tons of forage? If the cows in the herd that averaged 1216 pounds consume on average 2.3% of their body weight per day then during the year each cow will consume a total of 10,208 pounds of forage or just over five tons. This means that the extra forage the larger herd is consuming could support nearly 12 more cows that weigh 1200 pounds, which is a 24% increase.



We may not want to increase our herd by that amount, as there are other variables, e.g. capital financing, cash flow, etc., that must be considered in managing the business. But certainly stocking rate could be increased moderately while still maintaining a forage reserve that improves the grazing resource and allows for reserves during drought.



With increasing production costs, especially those associated with nutrition, the size of our cows must be addressed. It is well established that small and medium sized cows in crossbreeding systems are more economically efficient than large sized cows. The fact is cows that are too large, and there are plenty of them in our production systems, are costing our producers millions of dollars in higher maintenance and production costs.



The challenge is in managing our way to more moderately sized cows. It is easy enough sending a large cow to town, but how do we know we are not just replacing her with a heifer out of the herd of the same kind? Retaining heifers out or the herd gets us what we already have. Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Like begets like.



We will need to locate replacement females with genetics for moderate size and as high in maternal traits as is sustainable in the production environment. One way to do that is to locate bulls that meet these new requirements and breed them to moderate sized cows with above average maternal traits (the smaller cows that produce big calves and breed back within a controlled breeding season) within the herd and use only the heifers from those for replacements.



In effect we are creating a herd within a herd managed for the purposes of supplying the most efficient female. The challenge here is finding enough of those cows within the herd to provide the replacement heifers needed annually. Initially we might need to seek replacement females from outside of the cowherd that have been bred for moderate size and sound maternal traits.



Given the importance of mature cow size and its relationship to economic productivity it stands to reason that producing efficient replacement females is paramount to the success of a cow/calf operation. The business of breeding and selling heifers of this type is becoming increasingly important.



In today's economic environment arguably the most valuable piece of equipment on a cow/calf operation is a good set of scales. Size does matter, so what do your cows weigh?



Source: Bryan McMurry, Ph.D., Cargill Ag Nutrition
 
You're right Per - the term, "Bigger isn't always better" and the name Cargill just don't go together do they?

Although I, too, agree with the article. We need to be mindful of what our forage base on our individual ranches can support, but also be aware that we are raising a product for a system that wants - and needs - a certain size and type of product. If carcass weight goes too high, it is not good financially speaking, nor is it economical to have carcass weight too small. The costs are the same whether the hook is holding a 500lb carcass, or a 900lb carcass.

I don't like the "system" as it is, but it is what it is. It's our industry.
 
Having had a scale since 2002, we have weighed the cows and weighed the calves off these cows.

One thing we found out, cows at home weigh 100 lbs. more than when they go through the sale ring.

Our calves are weaned close to 180 days average and they make the 50% of cows weight. But we have been working to downsize the cows for several years now. It's hard to keep those smaller heifers, and you must be determined. They weigh up fine when they calve for the first time.
They milk well and wean a nice calf. Acutally it is the bigger heifers that
have trouble maintaining body condition after calving. We had a problem with weight creeping up. When we sold a cow that weighed 1800 lbs. we knew we had a huge problem (in more ways than one :P ). She was dry that year, but she never weaned much of a calf really. She was an outlyer...but if she was there and weighed that much, there was potential for others to weigh that.

So we changed our course and it has worked out well.
 
Just sold 2 simmintal x angus cows left over from the ''bigger is better days'' 1818 #'s @ 48.75 per lb. The big fat sows quit milking in August when it got hot and their calves were pathetic, they were handy when we took the bulls out so I got them in and took them to the auction. That should bring down the average size in the herd! I have been selling the big end of my bred heifers for a few years now (the ones I used to keep) and they sell like hotcakes especially if they are over 1200#'s. I keep the ones that are in the 1050-1075 range and they still get to over 1450 #'s as mature cows. The big cattle just don't seem to last long enough to get old.
 
I always kind of keep the middle of my heifers and things work out not too bad. Probably the best way is too expose all your heifers and let the pregnancy test sort them. Pure did you see the pic of Randy's shaggy we beastie out with my replacement heifers. As for ultrasounding heifers for carcass merit-i might do it for the information but it might lead you down a path best not followed. We don't select for carcass per se but our cattle do pretty well on the grid.
 
I always kind of keep the middle of my heifers and things work out not too bad. Probably the best way is too expose all your heifers and let the pregnancy test sort them. Pure did you see the pic of Randy's shaggy we beastie out with my replacement heifers. As for ultrasounding heifers for carcass merit-i might do it for the information but it might lead you down a path best not followed. We don't select for carcass per se but our cattle do pretty well on the grid.
 
This is interesting and there are some other things.....


My cows can var in wieght a lot depending on the feed. At what level of fleshyness is a 1400 pound cows? have 100 pound cows off of green Pasture that are flshy as heck..End of winter, they will be more like 1200 pounders...

I talked to a loal AI/vet guy. There is a herd he works with weanng 900 pounders.... Not sure that works.... I will say these calves are raised in the hills vs creep fed, so it would likely be an honest 900 pounds...

I am still not certain it works....

When I was selling a lot of caves on the grid, I really did well with 850 pound carcasses...Selling more direct, I may want 800 pound carcasses. I am not certain yet... It goes to the size of the steaks as an issue...

I have the feed setup to support large cows. I sometimes think that gets me large cows. By that, I mean the large end of my cows will hit 1600 pounds when fleshy.

This has me thinking aout several things. If these cows were on another ranch, would they top at 1300-1400 pounds? Is part of it my feed? Could i stunt this by breeding them a littl sooner andd would that be a good strategy? My hiefers would calve sooner....Not a bad thing.

And, even with the feed to support larger cows, I am not sure it makes sense to run the smaller cows. I may end up sourcing cows elsewhere so I can focus on bulls that give me the carcasses I want,

Breeding decisions always give you much to ponder,


PPRM
 
It still all boils down to giving the consumer what they want. This is especially true with direct marketing. Fortunately the consumer doesn't usually want a steak that flows off both side of the plate. Unfortunately the packer doesn't always want a smaller carcass so you need to figure out what whoever your end market wants is. The rub then is finding the least cost system of raising these animals to meet the size demand of your end user. In my world that is a moderately smaller animal that never sees silage or grain and seldom hay. Just that stuff that God provided for them, grass. Tame in the spring and Summer and Native in the Fall and Winter. Only the thick full bodied types survive my management. Some are small most are moderate and a few are large. That means different markets for the different products. "If it was easy, everyone would be doing it."
 
PureCountry said:
ANGUS327 said:
I keep the ones that are in the 1050-1075 range and they still get to over 1450 #'s as mature cows.

So Angus, are you going to start selling those heifers too, and keeping the 750-950lber's? :lol:

It may come to that one day! I winter my heifer calves with their mothers on just hay and whatever native grass the can rustle and then select the ones that come through the winter in the best shape for the breeding field, some people think I'm nuts for not babying my heifers. As far as carcass size goes I sell a lot of beef direct and a 400# side of beef is harder to sell than a 330 # side. Once you get over $1000 for side of beef people get a little shy.
 
ANGUS327 said:
PureCountry said:
ANGUS327 said:
I keep the ones that are in the 1050-1075 range and they still get to over 1450 #'s as mature cows.

So Angus, are you going to start selling those heifers too, and keeping the 750-950lber's? :lol:

It may come to that one day! I winter my heifer calves with their mothers on just hay and whatever native grass the can rustle and then select the ones that come through the winter in the best shape for the breeding field, some people think I'm nuts for not babying my heifers. As far as carcass size goes I sell a lot of beef direct and a 400# side of beef is harder to sell than a 330 # side. Once you get over $1000 for side of beef people get a little shy.

I feed the heifers pretty much the same day-- after a 3-4 weeks of a few pellets or grain while being weaned (mainly to gentle and get them used to walking thru them)- mine winter with the cows-on pasture and hay only- all ages from yearlings to 14 year olds...No special treatment....

And I've found that those with yearling weights in the 700-800 yearling weight best fit into the target area of what I want for cows...
 
If you go back to my post about two years ago I split my herd for winter feeding and found I could feed ten angus on the same feed as six charolis - - - then two years in a row the angus calves weighed about 25# more than the smoky calves.

The charolis sure look great in the field ( very fat and shiny with just grass and mineral ) but they were not putting enough into milk!

With this in mind I am down to only 4 charolis cows now - - - I am in this to sell pounds of calves and I feel I can produce at least 20% more pounds of calves by keeping with moderately sized cows. The charolis I still have are very good to work with ( almost pets ) and will stay as long as I keep getting good calves from them but they will be replaced with angus as time goes by.
 

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