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Tam

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I now see why the Bundy family might have done what they did. :(

For the past few days while you have been digging up anything you can to justify your stand on supporting the Bundy family and how the government is corrupt and needs to be slapped back, of which I do agree,

I have been repeatedly bringing up a story I first posted on March 24th that affects every water user in the US. One where the land owner did not knowingly defy the government but paid his fees and obtained the proper State permits to legally built a stock pond on his Private Property. Granted, it is not as exciting as the Bundy armed standoff but it does affect every water user in the US. And You have been so invested in supporting a cause that affects those fighting the BLM in a few states, that you have failed to acknowledge a much larger problem knocking on every door in the US.

I can only wonder what single issue was distracting you when the Bundys and their 51 former ranching neighbors first started noticing the corruption leaking into the system they were dealing with and called out for help that lead to their government defiant actions 20 years ago, but it must have been a doozie :?

This may sound a bit harsh to some of you and I'm sorry but it seems to get you to take notice harsh things need to happen, so here it goes consider this my armed with words standoff if it helps get your attention.

Went are you going to wake up and realize a much large storm in brewing in Wyoming. One that affects everyone. Will it be after the EPA has totally taken control of every smidgen of water in the US or now when this family could use your support to slap back the wolves at their door.

The Bundy's knowingly stopped paying their permit and grazing fees in protest and if reports are correct they are facing $1.1 million in fees and fines from their 20 year battle.

This Wyoming family is reportedly facing $75,000 a day EPA fines, that is a total of $1.8 million since I first posted this story 24 days ago. From the little media attention they have receive they said they were planning on fighting as they had the legal permits from the State of Wyoming to build their pond. They were going to fight the EPA even if it bankrupt them as a manner of Principle and to show their young daughters you need to stand up for what is right.

So I ask you again when are you going to do the right thing and show some support for this issue that affect all of you, that may be over already, I don't know as the media seems to be ignoring it due to the Bundy armed stand off story too, as I doubt a young family can afford to keep racking up $75,000 a day in fines before going bankrupt. Can any of you afford it and if not then you better get behind this family and stop the EPA in their tracks before it is 20 years later and nobody can use any water without written paid for consent from a corrupt over reaching Government agency bought and paid for by your ENEMIES, the Leftwingnut Enviromentists.

If you want to see the results of allowing the EPA to run rouge look at the California ranchers that are going bankrupt over a smelt. :x

I have to admit if the Bundy's had this much trouble drawing attention to their brewing problems over 20 years ago, I see why they took it upon themselves to do something drastic. I still don't agree but I now understand. :roll:

There I have had my rant for the day, commence with being distracted by the shining lights of the BLM issue while the EPA is destroying your rights to the water on your property. Maybe this is the exact reason to the WHY NOW question, we have all been wondering about in the BLM/Bundy fight. Move in while the masses are distracted, it has been a MO of this Administration. Distract and MOVE. Watch the left hand while you are being distracted by the right hand as more often than not something is going on they do not want you to notice.
 
Tam, is showing support for the Wyoming fiasco, sending them money?
Can you find where to send it? Do you have other ideas how to support
this Wyoming family? I'm more than ready to step up and do something~
I just need to know what to do exactly.

I just looked at the Wyoming Roundup Agriculture newspaper and couldn't find a thing on it. One would think they would have something in regards to this issue. :???:
 
Not to say I am not a believer but I do try too check things out.

This is a link to the story and if you have ever been in the crosshairs of " The Government " you will see the need for Andy Johnson and others like him.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/14/wyoming-welder-faces-fine-for-building-pond-on-his-own-property/
 
Faster horses said:
Tam, is showing support for the Wyoming fiasco, sending them money?
Can you find where to send it? Do you have other ideas how to support
this Wyoming family? I'm more than ready to step up and do something~
I just need to know what to do exactly.

First Thank you for helping me look beyond our ranch gate Faster Horses as I truly believe this is an issue everyone needs to be paying attention to OR ELSE.

The first step might be to get the word out to what is going on while the BLM issue is distracting attention away from the actions of the EPA. That is what I've been trying to do here on Ranchers, the more people that know and contact their Congressmen to ask for their support, the faster pressure can be put on the EPA to step back like the BLM did in Nevada. Hopefully this issue does not have to get to the point of armed militants strategizing about how they are going to put the women out front and use their deaths as a way to push their Anti Government agenda.

Side note: Think of this if that was the mind set at the Bundy armed to the teeth standoff and it had come to where they were think of using women's deaths to grab media attention and public sympathy for their cause, do you think anyone sick enough to think that up would not have provoked a shoot out by maybe firing the first shot and denying they did it. This is just another on a growing list of reasons I can not support the Bundy family. They used social media and the MSM to called in people willing to use women deaths as a means to push their agenda to stand by them in their fight. I thought only Terrorists did that kind of crap but here US ranchers are thinking about it. :shock: :mad: What is going on in their heads and why when it was openly said on the national news and video of their plans posted to You Tube did the Bundy family not say something to denounce such thoughts and tell them to go back to where they came from? Were they in on the strategizing and planning to put their wives, daughters and the mothers of their children out there. Is this what Cliven meant when he said in court he would do ANYTHING to protect his cattle from the BLM? I never thought I would see the day I would say I'm totally ashamed at the actions of a group of ranchers but I just can not be anything else when it comes to that issue. Sorry if that is not how you feel but man that is some sick crap being thought up in support of the Bundys :x

Now getting back to this issue there are Congressmen in DC that have written to the EPA but if they got thousands of letters from concerned citizens all over the US maybe government officials both State and Federal might at least slow them down enough for the media to take notice and report on it so every water user in the US knows what is happening under their noses. The State of Wyoming is standing behind the Johnson family from the last I heard as they issued the permits and truly believed this was a STATE ISSUE not a federal issue but that has not stopped the EPA, as far as I can find but then I only have access to the internet reports. Maybe somebody in Wyoming could tell us if there are any reports on the local news so we can find out more.

Call, email, tweet, facebook anyone and everyone you can think of as if this is not stopped Water Rights in the US will no longer mean anything to anybody but to the Greenies funding the Corruption in DC. :mad:

https://www.google.ca/#q=Wyoming+family%27s+battle+with+the+EPA+over+Stock+Pond
 
George said:
Not to say I am not a believer but I do try too check things out.

This is a link to the story and if you have ever been in the crosshairs of " The Government " you will see the need for Andy Johnson and others like him.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/14/wyoming-welder-faces-fine-for-building-pond-on-his-own-property/

This family needs all the support they can get as this is not an issue that affects JUST THEM.

This should be a very large issue in the 2014 election as if your elected government official will not stand up to protect your water rights from the EPA. He or She needs to GO.
 
Tam, you should read up on some of the states rights that have been taken away. As there should be much less Federal land, it is the same with water.

IMO, the same issue as with Bundy.

SCOTUS at one time followed the Constitution, but in the last 50+ yrs, they seem to interpret it to benefit the Feds., or a centralized government.
 
hypocritexposer said:
Tam, you should read up on some of the states rights that have been taken away. As there should be much less Federal land, it is the same with water.

IMO, the same issue as with Bundy.

SCOTUS at one time followed the Constitution, but in the last 50+ yrs, they seem to interpret it to benefit the Feds., or a centralized government.

Hyp I think I'll still support this family as the State of Wyoming and several US Republican politicians are supporting this family. And as far as the reports the only thing the family has not paid is the fines that the EPA has threatened them with if they don't comply. Unlike your pet project this family does own the land and did pay the required State fees to do what they did. ANd they haven't called in Militants that think nothing of using women's deaths to grab headlines. :roll: Oh and I haven't read anywhere where this issue has lead to multiple pipe bombs being set off in Federal Buildings. :wink: :roll:

NOT the same in my books :wink:
 
Tam, I believe most of the major ag organizations have been fighting EPA on many issues for years, with express focus on the water grab currently in progress. I don't know how or where the WY issue fits in, but am certain it is being pointed out as an example of absolute over reach to the point of abuse by EPA. Hopefully, it will be resolved soon, as a real win for that family as well as ALL of us on the land.

mrj
 
In the meantime, lets do as Tam suggested. Post it on our facebook page and share it with others. I don't use Twitter, but I do use facebook.
And I have a phone and a pen..........

Just think if this was OUR family the EPA was targeting...we'd start doing something about it immediately. Wouldn't we? :?
 
Faster horses said:
In the meantime, lets do as Tam suggested. Post it on our facebook page and share it with others. I don't use Twitter, but I do use facebook.
And I have a phone and a pen..........

Just think if this was OUR family the EPA was targeting...we'd start doing something about it immediately. Wouldn't we? :?

I emailed the Shaun Hannity show today and asked him since he was interested in the Bundy BLM story, if he would please look into this EPA story. Will see if he reads it, since I sent a link to the FOX news story George posted. Hope we will see something soon.
 
Just think if this was OUR family the EPA was targeting...we'd start doing something about it immediately. Wouldn't we?

we have a case locally that is similar.. and I wish I could say more.. but the case is at a very delicate point right now..

but the EPA can and will destroy a person, his business and not even care if someone else was at fault...

they have enough vague laws and regulations to drown a person in fines and litigation for years..

even when the person has ALL the right permits and pays ALL the fees..
 
Tam said:
Faster horses said:
In the meantime, lets do as Tam suggested. Post it on our facebook page and share it with others. I don't use Twitter, but I do use facebook.
And I have a phone and a pen..........

Just think if this was OUR family the EPA was targeting...we'd start doing something about it immediately. Wouldn't we? :?

I emailed the Shaun Hannity show today and asked him since he was interested in the Bundy BLM story, if he would please look into this EPA story. Will see if he reads it, since I sent a link to the FOX news story George posted. Hope we will see something soon.

Great idea, Tam! Hope Shawn picks it up. Maybe Mark Levin too....I'll try him.

I have put George's link (thanks for providing that, George) on facebook and got a lot of 'shares' and 'thanks for the heads up'....I think, if I can find out where the Johnsons live in Wyoming, I'll try calling them and see if they can tell us what to do to help. Anyone know where they live off the top of their head? I saw it somewhere....
 
Steve said:
Just think if this was OUR family the EPA was targeting...we'd start doing something about it immediately. Wouldn't we?

we have a case locally that is similar.. and I wish I could say more.. but the case is at a very delicate point right now..

but the EPA can and will destroy a person, his business and not even care if someone else was at fault...

they have enough vague laws and regulations to drown a person in fines and litigation for years..

even when the person has ALL the right permits and pays ALL the fees..

In the past if you found that someone dumped a bunch of trash bags on your property you could call the local Sheriff's Dept. and they would open the bags and if a name and address were found would issue a ticket and fine to the offender.

Now the illegal ( undocumented ) aliens have figured that if they put some ( over a quart ) used motor oil or expired prescription medicine the landowner will be fined a minimum of $3,500 for a HazMat clean up ( the EPA will go after the landowner ) as anything over a quart of used petroleum product is considered HazMat and so are medicines not in their original container. Do not try to explain you did not go to the person's home and steal their trash - - - the EPA does not care it only looks to see who can afford to pay and go for the cash!

So when I find trash I no longer get law enforcement involved - - - I either put it in my dumpster that I pay to have dumped once a week or I take it back to the original address and scatter it on their lawn.

But I bet if I ever get caught taking it back to the original owner I might get arrested.
 
I have emailed Mark Levin. Hopefully it will get to him.

I wonder if some of the liberals that read this would please contact their talk show hosts, both radio and tv and get this out on those air ways as well.
It would be nice to see the liberals join in stepping up to fight government over reach. After all, it could affect their property too. They aren't immune......well, not all of them anyway. Some seem to be. :?
 
I posted to Gretawire tonight, she is covering the BLM issue and has sent her people out maybe she can find out something on the EPA.
 

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