Long Range Wormer
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gcreekrch
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I've wormed quite a few wolves. coyotes and bears at long range. My 300 Win Mag works best.
Sorry, feeling tired and silly. Never heard of the product.
Sorry, feeling tired and silly. Never heard of the product.
rancherfred
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First year with it so I don't know yet. Heard lots of good things, but then I went and priced it and decided that just my young cattle would get it. The best price I could get locally was about $17/hd. I just couldn't justify that so the 2nd calfers and up got dectomax. The yearlings, replacements and first calf heifers all got Long Range. I will report back in the fall.
Faster horses
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I don't know about long range wormer, but I might help those of you who might not understand STRATEGIC Deworming.
When you deworm is paramount from a cost and effectiveness standpoint.
I don't know why you would deworm cattle this early in the spring IF they were dewormed last fall. It's too early and it
is a waste of money, here in the north anyway. Worms need temperature and moisture to propagate, so cattle that are effectively dewormed in the fall should not need dewormed again until 6 weeks after turnout. Here is a site that talks about it:
http://www.animart.com/Spring-Deworming
Strategic deworming not only cleans up the cattle, it can clean up the pastures. We have customers that strategic deworm and we
have run fecals on their cattle and they didn't need to deworm in the fall for the next 3 years due to their pastures being so
worm-free and thus, so were the cattle. So if you want to get the most for your money, deworm at a strategic time.
rancherfred is right in doing the younger cattle. With all the fecals we run, we have
ALWAYS found higher egg count in the young cattle.
A few years ago a customer that had wintered all his yearlings together. Same program, same feed, same scenery. About a month to 6 weeks after turnout, he noticed one group (he had separated the steers from the heifers) were doing good and the other group
wasn't doing so well. We ran fecals on both groups. We found one group was fairly clean, the other group full of worms. They had to have picked those worms up grazing in the pasture which showed us that one pasture was cleaner than the other one. Running a fecal made him money in that he didn't feed parasites in the yearlings all summer long. He only dewormed the one group.
Deworming is interesting, especially when you run fecals and know what is going on. We send ours to a private lab as most
vets don't have a 'Wisconsin spinner' which shows worm eggs. Most vets use the same thing they use to run fecals on dogs and
they aren't accurate for cattle.
Hope this helps!
When you deworm is paramount from a cost and effectiveness standpoint.
I don't know why you would deworm cattle this early in the spring IF they were dewormed last fall. It's too early and it
is a waste of money, here in the north anyway. Worms need temperature and moisture to propagate, so cattle that are effectively dewormed in the fall should not need dewormed again until 6 weeks after turnout. Here is a site that talks about it:
http://www.animart.com/Spring-Deworming
Strategic deworming not only cleans up the cattle, it can clean up the pastures. We have customers that strategic deworm and we
have run fecals on their cattle and they didn't need to deworm in the fall for the next 3 years due to their pastures being so
worm-free and thus, so were the cattle. So if you want to get the most for your money, deworm at a strategic time.
rancherfred is right in doing the younger cattle. With all the fecals we run, we have
ALWAYS found higher egg count in the young cattle.
A few years ago a customer that had wintered all his yearlings together. Same program, same feed, same scenery. About a month to 6 weeks after turnout, he noticed one group (he had separated the steers from the heifers) were doing good and the other group
wasn't doing so well. We ran fecals on both groups. We found one group was fairly clean, the other group full of worms. They had to have picked those worms up grazing in the pasture which showed us that one pasture was cleaner than the other one. Running a fecal made him money in that he didn't feed parasites in the yearlings all summer long. He only dewormed the one group.
Deworming is interesting, especially when you run fecals and know what is going on. We send ours to a private lab as most
vets don't have a 'Wisconsin spinner' which shows worm eggs. Most vets use the same thing they use to run fecals on dogs and
they aren't accurate for cattle.
Hope this helps!
Faster horses
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I understand that not everyone lives in the north pole 
as I said 'here in the north anyway'...there are ways to deworm cattle in the early summer without gathering them up and running them through a chute. FWIW. Just sharing some information. Worming is expensive especially at $17/head. :shock: I do need to find out about the long range wormer as I try to keep up with new things. It took me awhile to understand about strategic deworming so if I could help someone else, that was my intention.
Nice that you are turned out on grass already. Gonna be a few days here.
as I said 'here in the north anyway'...there are ways to deworm cattle in the early summer without gathering them up and running them through a chute. FWIW. Just sharing some information. Worming is expensive especially at $17/head. :shock: I do need to find out about the long range wormer as I try to keep up with new things. It took me awhile to understand about strategic deworming so if I could help someone else, that was my intention.Nice that you are turned out on grass already. Gonna be a few days here.
Bullhauler
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Long Range isn't really all that new anymore. This will be the third year that I will use it. I only give it to the first calf heifers, yearlings and calves though. I seem to be getting a higher percentage of first calvers bred back in the first cycle with it. The vet sure thinks highly of it.
The way I read the long range site the active ingredient is Eprinomectin, which is not exactly new, but the product is time released. I am not sure we can even get it up here. One of the worming companies up here provides free fecal sample testing to the vet clinics (presumably with the idea of selling more wormer). The tests are great and the price is right. We used them twice on our backgrounder calves pre/post worming after we had a bit of a wreck this fall.
I know our clinic sells a lot of Safeguard salt to use in deworming cows on pasture. It is pricey at $175 a bag though.
I know our clinic sells a lot of Safeguard salt to use in deworming cows on pasture. It is pricey at $175 a bag though.
Faster horses
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The cost is even more here...remember that bag of Safeguard dewormer does 50,000# and you deworm both the cow and the calf without running them through the chute and plus they are getting mineral during the time it takes them to consume the Safeguard. It's a very effective way to deworm. Plus Safeguard gets more species of worms in different stages than the avermectin products.
As for cost, even at our cost here you can do 33 head of cows/calves (total weight 1300# cow plus 200# calf=1500#) with one bag of
Safeguard. So the cost per PAIR would be $5.60.
Dr. Bliss, well-known parasiteologist, says the best way to deworm is "over the gums."
Anyway, back to the original question, I see the Long Range Wormer is an injectable. Injectable wormers currently work better than pour-ons as cattle have developed immunity to the avermectin pour-ons. You can read about that in any industry magazine/newspaper. You still do need pour ons of some kind to get lice and grubs, but you can use a much smaller dose.
I'm trying to find out if anyone in this area has used it. If I find any information I will report back. Didn't mean to hijack the
topic, Deworming is interesting to me and makes an interesting subject.
As for cost, even at our cost here you can do 33 head of cows/calves (total weight 1300# cow plus 200# calf=1500#) with one bag of
Safeguard. So the cost per PAIR would be $5.60.
Dr. Bliss, well-known parasiteologist, says the best way to deworm is "over the gums."
Anyway, back to the original question, I see the Long Range Wormer is an injectable. Injectable wormers currently work better than pour-ons as cattle have developed immunity to the avermectin pour-ons. You can read about that in any industry magazine/newspaper. You still do need pour ons of some kind to get lice and grubs, but you can use a much smaller dose.
I'm trying to find out if anyone in this area has used it. If I find any information I will report back. Didn't mean to hijack the
topic, Deworming is interesting to me and makes an interesting subject.
On a side note it's supposed to have a residual effect on flies. Not advertised for that and they can't I guess but studies have shown it greatly reduces flies. I did a group yesterday so we'll see. Also worked around 200 HD for a friend today and he did all his as well.
nortexsook
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4Diamond said:
Are you saying LongRange is supposed to have a residual effect on flies? just trying to clarify, these posts are hard to follow sometimes when several people start taking them different directions.
3 M L & C
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I was happy with it. Used it on my mature cow herd, replacement heifers and 175 5-weight feeder calves on grass. I did NOT use it on my bulls. I believe it's not approved for mature breeding bulls.
I had no pinkeye in anything which is a big problem around here. Flies were certainly minimized. Not sure of the huge weight gain that's advertised. I'd use it again..if cattle prices don't go completely to 'L'.
Make sure you use an automatic syringe because LongRange is moisture activated and you don't want to be constantly putting a needle into the bottle. Those are exact words from my veterinarian.
This was from another thread a while back on here. From dejavu
My copy and paste on phone isn't working like I would like.
I had no pinkeye in anything which is a big problem around here. Flies were certainly minimized. Not sure of the huge weight gain that's advertised. I'd use it again..if cattle prices don't go completely to 'L'.
Make sure you use an automatic syringe because LongRange is moisture activated and you don't want to be constantly putting a needle into the bottle. Those are exact words from my veterinarian.
This was from another thread a while back on here. From dejavu
My copy and paste on phone isn't working like I would like.
Hillrider
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Do you think there is anything to the concerns about its effects on dung beetles and soil microbes? I would guess the shed the insecticide longer?