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My sixteen year old purebred cow I bought had a bull calf today-I was hoping for a heifer but maybe this bull calf will work out. Still undecided as to what I'm flushing her to-I've ruled out OCC and EXT so far lol.
 
I used OCC genetics before they became popular and drove alot of miles checking them out this spring at other places-just aren't my kind of cattle-not sound enough for starters. Besides every dog and his breakfast using them-I'm kind of leaning to the old 60B bull of Fraser's or the Nichols Landmark L56 bull if I can find some semen-I know those bulls make cows that work for me.
 
Faster horses said:
Friends who used the OCC line of cattle for several years in their
registed herd, quit using them because the were seeing some fertility
problems. FWIW

Denny has some Viking GD60 semen, NR. (hint, hint)
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Well- I got burned bad with following several years of following the promotions of the semen pimps/ABS/bull multipliers (not breeders because they don't use their own bulls)- most of which were only promoting "bigger, better, faster" which was the reason they never used their own bulls..

Now I have a direction-- good, bad or whatever...I'm looking at a combination of OCC/Shoshone/Viking/Wye/Rito 707/etc. breeding (which is a big part of Diamond D's)-- and adding it to 50 years of Cole Creek Angus's Juanada breeding program of heavy culling- along with some others to get that perfect blending of performance and maternal-- still having 600+ weaning weights- without having big frame 1300-1900 lb cows....

I think the perfect example that is one step ahead of where I want to be is Taylor Orr at Whitney Creek Ranch-- a small outfit that over the years has blended the performance, maternal, and efficiency cattle-focusing on the momma cow- which produces a calf that will fit any grassfed program- but that will still perform well in any feedlot- while thriving in this shortgrass country (which most of the time is in a drought- with only an average rainfall of 11.5 inchs anyway)-- and brings in calves with 600+ weaning weights on grass alone (without the SAV type creep feeder)....

And from what I see now- it comes back to cows/bulls that bring in a AAA RV (Rancher Value) of 30 to +50 to accomplish this.....

I may be wrong with the OCC genetics-- but they fit in this- performance, maternal, and efficiency--- and I think they can be balanced in quite well..

Still NO rain after days of cold cloudy weather-and east winds- while the weather boys are still promising us over an inch in the next couple of days...... :(
 
Dry here too. I guess I'm saying I wouldn't stack OCC bloodlines.
Otherwise I agree with you, as you know. (on cattle genetics anyhow :? ).

Lee Humbert raises those kind of cattle too, I think, and uses his
own bulls. I have never seen his cattle, but heard about them and it
was from those in the 'moderate' camp.

His sale is in Glasgow on April 22. He has no website I guess,
all there is in the catalog is [email protected]

The bulls in the sale catalog look mighty good. A lot of Guru...
 
Faster horses said:
Dry here too. I guess I'm saying I wouldn't stack OCC bloodlines.
Otherwise I agree with you, as you know. (on cattle genetics anyhow :? ).

Lee Humbert raises those kind of cattle too, I think, and uses his
own bulls. I have never seen his cattle, but heard about them and it
was from those in the 'moderate' camp.

His sale is in Glasgow on April 22. He has no website I guess,
all there is in the catalog is [email protected]

The bulls in the sale catalog look mighty good. A lot of Guru...
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Yep- and Lee has some good cattle....Still a little bigger framed than I want- as I see his culls coming in weighing over 1500 lbs- but still good cows......
He will have a good sale- same as Brent McCrae (Big Dry Angus) will this Thursday...(Just got thru visiting with Brent a few minutes ago- as he's hauling in his bulls today)... He has this thing with Mother Nature that brings us rain before his bull sale every year :D - and raises his average every year ... :wink:

A lot of folks looking for bulls as the cull market has been so high...The son and I have got several calls that we directed to somewhere else for their preferences because we don't have anymore....

Lee may do better than ever since his sale partner sold out- less bulls- and many were discouraged from that sale mainly over dispositions of the the partners cattle....If I'd have brought home a bull/heifer from that sale- my 87 year old uncle- and a couple of neighbors would have throttled me :wink:

I was at the Salesyard a couple weeks ago when the former sale partner was there- and I was asking him how he likes retirement...A fella that works at the salesyard (and runs a little herd of cows) came up and asked him if he had any cows in the sale- and he said no- and the fella says "Good".. And the former partner says I don't have any cattle anymore, I sold them all - and the fella says "GOOOOOOD", I won't have to climb a fence every time I see a green tag anymore"-- and I about split a gut.... (But the fella just expressed the consensus of many that had worked at the stockyards- and a few others ).......
 
Yes, I heard those cattle were HONKY and he made them that way... :shock:

But I heard Lee was totally different. (Goin' on hearsay) but
a 1500 lb. cow to me isn't MODERATE. But I don't want to get that
discussion going again, it's been cussed and discussed since forever.
 
Faster horses said:
Friends who used the OCC line of cattle for several years in their
registed herd, quit using them because the were seeing some fertility
problems. FWIW

Denny has some Viking GD60 semen, NR. (hint, hint)
Click to expand...

Yeah maybe we could be partners. That would be like fire and ice.
 
Denny said:
Faster horses said:
Friends who used the OCC line of cattle for several years in their
registed herd, quit using them because the were seeing some fertility
problems. FWIW

Denny has some Viking GD60 semen, NR. (hint, hint)
Click to expand...

Yeah maybe we could be partners. That would be like fire and ice.
Click to expand...

This could get good....Denny do you skate? :wink: Shawn
 
SHAWN said:
Denny said:
Faster horses said:
Friends who used the OCC line of cattle for several years in their
registed herd, quit using them because the were seeing some fertility
problems. FWIW

Denny has some Viking GD60 semen, NR. (hint, hint)
Click to expand...

Yeah maybe we could be partners. That would be like fire and ice.
Click to expand...

This could get good....Denny do you skate? :wink: Shawn
Click to expand...

A long time ago.
 
Faster horses said:
Yes, I heard those cattle were HONKY and he made them that way... :shock:

But I heard Lee was totally different. (Goin' on hearsay) but
a 1500 lb. cow to me isn't MODERATE. But I don't want to get that
discussion going again, it's been cussed and discussed since forever.
Click to expand...

Ya-- you won't go wrong dealing with Lee or with Brent...Both have good stock and stand behind their cattle... Lee usually has some good heifer bull prospects- altho in skimming thru Big Dry's online catalog this RAINY morning-- I see where it appears to me like Brent has more light BW bulls than usual....

http://www.glasgowstockyards.com/images/2010/bigdry.pdf

Been getting a light rain since about 5AM...Probably only have a tenth or so- but it is enough the gumbo is sticking to your feet...No wind- 45 degrees- birds are a singing- now if it would keep this up all week :) ....

The doppler radar is showing some areas over north of Saco- and then again over toward Big Muddy's country that they say got 1/2 inch to an inch....
 
Northern Rancher said:
Denny could do chores while I gallivant around-kind of like gus and Woodrow on Lonesome Dove lol.
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Are you gonna ask denny to cut cards? What was it they were cutting for again?!? :lol: :oops: :shock:
 

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