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Endangered Species Used As Big Hammer
The Right Side
By Rick Coddington
special to Mountain Mail
November 21, 2007



SOCORRO, New Mexico (STPNS) -- If you are watching the Wolf War in Catron County you may have seen the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's current headlines "warning" the county not to trap the latest rogue wolf.

Personally, I think the headline should read "Catron County Deserves A Medal For Restraint." After all, they are still trying to achieve solutions by legal means even though it falls on deaf ears.

There is a simple lesson to be learned here: New Mexico just doesn't rate with the federal powers. We saw it when they pronounced the silvery minnow "endangered," regardless that a jillion minnows live somewhere else. We saw it in the federal minnow hearings where we discovered that the citizens "had no standing" with the court.

Now we see the federal steamroller at work once again in Catron. I suspect that the environ-nazis have learned from their success in killing the logging industry that Catron is easy pickings.

I started wondering how much the fiasco costs. I did a little clicking though the internet and got a real eye opener!

I was prepared for the whole federal program to be horrendously expensive – after all it is a federal program. You can be assured by definition that it's an economic black hole.

According to the start-up news coverage, the program was expected to cost either $8 million or $2, million depending on the model they chose in 1993 dollars. While I wasn't able to find real figures from the government web sites about the tab for the program, I did find enough numbers to do a little ciphering.

According to the Fish and Wildlife's reintroduction program three-year review (fws.gov/southwest/ es/mexicanwolf), the cost for each additional wild pup is $5.6 million. In 2006, there were 59 wolves in the program -- 46 of them born in the wild. That adds $198 million to the original estimates.

I doubt that accounts for all the litigation the feds are famous for. For example, I attended a federal minnow hearing where, by my count, 36 of the 51 people in attendance introduced themselves as attorneys!

One problem is that Catron County has 6,898 square miles. That's a lot of land on which to track wolves. It would be a lot more cost effective to manage a smaller area.

My favorite suggestion is to relocate wolves to the 843 acres that make up Central Park in New York City. If that sounds ridiculous, you don't appreciate how sick the enviros really are. Joe Skeen introduced a bill to place the wolves in New York back in '99. I really miss Joe. The hard-core huggers of the Center for Biological Diversity responded by one upping Joe with the news that New York activists want wolves back in New York.

Let's give them what they want. To be really generous, let's give them our wolves. That will save them the cost of importing them from Mexico, where according to animalinfo.org they are not even endangered. Just like the minnow, isn't that funny! It looks to me like we are led to believe that an animal is going extinct whenever the huggers want to accomplish societal engineering with the economic endangerment of a segment of the American taxpayers.

It's high time the city folks get a taste of the real effects of their pompous philosophies. A little quality time up close and personal with a pack of wolves will do wonders for their lack of real life experience. After all, as long as you stay out of the subways there are very few real predators in New York City.

All cuteness aside, this nonsense is a formula for disaster. In June 2007, the "collared population" accounted for only 26 of the 59 wolves. More than half are not being tracked.

As they put it, "Other uncollared wolves are known to be associating with wolves with radio collars, as well as being separate from known packs."

Now, the agency is considering a recommendation by biologists to allow the wolves to establish territories outside the current boundaries.

We're hearing about the problems with the trackable wolves, we're blind to over half of the pack. When we finally do have a tragedy, what then? Does anybody have an idea about how to get the feds' attention before we realize a worst-case scenario?

Rick Coddington is a third-generation native New Mexican. He attended UNM and studied political science. He has lived in Socorro since 1974. His opinions do not necessarily represent the Mountain Mail.
© 2007 Mountain Mail Socorro, New Mexico

http://www.stpns.net/view_article.html?articleId=64747571023276703
 
And now these wolves are mysteriously disappearing....

Reintroduced wolf pack missing from New Mexico forest
Associated Press
Nov. 21, 2007


SILVER CITY, N.M. - The three-member Durango wolf pack is missing from its range in the Gila National Forest, dealing another blow to the federal government's efforts to return endangered Mexican gray wolves to the wild in New Mexico and Arizona.

The pack - which includes two adults with radio collars that continue to transmit even if the wolf dies - hasn't been detected since early this month, the Albuquerque Journal reported in a copyright story Wednesday.

One collar might malfunction, "but this would have to be two collars malfunctioning," said Elizabeth Slown, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

The agency has tried to track the wolves with aerial and ground searches.

"We couldn't find them," she said. "Now their fate is considered unknown."

It's possible to disable a collar, Slown said, adding: "A person could do that; a bear couldn't."

Ranchers in the area have been critical of the wolf reintroduction program since it began in 1998 and have complained about wolves killing their livestock.

"Of course it's suspicious," said Laura Schneberger, president of the Gila Livestock Growers Association. But, she said, "None of us had anything to do with it."

Since the reintroduction program began, 26 wolves have been killed by poaching, Slown said.

The Catron County Commission on Nov. 7 told the federal agency it intended to trap the pack's alpha male, known as AM973, as a "dangerous wolf." County officials said the wolf repeatedly showed up near a home on the Adobe Ranch.

Backers of the wolf program said it's suspicious for several wolves suddenly to go undetected.

"I would say it is both worrisome and unusual," said Dave Parsons, a former Fish and Wildlife coordinator for the wolf program who is now a conservation biologist with the Albuquerque-based Rewilding Institute.

He said losing the pack's alpha male is "a fairly serious blow" because the animal's genetic makeup includes all three remaining Mexican gray wolf lineages and because, with a new mate, the male was expected to reproduce again in the spring.

Parsons said lone wolves are more likely to roam over large distances, but packs tend to stay in established territories and the Durango pack was known to hang around one ranch.

"It would be unusual for them to just go completely out of radar range," he said.

The Fish and Wildlife Service does one official wolf count a year, in the winter. The agency reported the recovery area had 59 wolves as of January, a number that has fluctuated with wolf deaths and removals and the births of pups.

In July, Fish and Wildlife shot the Durango pack's alpha female in Catron County, less than a week after cattle killings that subjected the wolf to a three strikes rule.

The reintroduction program requires the permanent removal of any wolf linked to three livestock killings a year - either by trapping and keeping it in captivity or by shooting it.

The wolf had killed two head of livestock before being relocated to Catron County on April 25. The day after her release, county officials demanded she be removed before she had a chance to kill again.

Fish and Wildlife said at the time it had no reason to remove her under the three-strikes rule.

The county in June issued a notice of intent to trap the female and turn her over to the agency because she was stalking the Adobe Ranch. The county's wolf incident investigator did not immediately trap the animal, however, and the federal agency issued the lethal order for the wolf after the killings of a cow and calf.

The wolf was killed weeks after giving birth to four pups. Slown said it appeared only one of the pups survived to November.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1121missingwolves21-on.html
 
Not surprised that they disappeared.
Little tidbit the they are NOT telling people is another wolf has shown up in the Jorden Montana area. The first one was finally killed after attacking numerous sheep. The wolf lovers said that it was not a true wolf. Bull poo!
Now they have another one killing sheep. Only people talking about it are the people who have to deal with it.
SSS, the only solution.
 
The bald eagle population has increased around here. I was sooooo excited at first. Then watched as, one by one, they picked off my ducks :cry: All I have left are 3 drakes. Not so much fun seeing them anymore..........
 
lyric said:
The bald eagle population has increased around here. I was sooooo excited at first. Then watched as, one by one, they picked off my ducks :cry: All I have left are 3 drakes. Not so much fun seeing them anymore..........

I here they taste like chicken....
 
Denny said:
lyric said:
The bald eagle population has increased around here. I was sooooo excited at first. Then watched as, one by one, they picked off my ducks :cry: All I have left are 3 drakes. Not so much fun seeing them anymore..........

I here they taste like chicken....

Ewww...That means they taste like Snake,


;-}


PPRM
 
Denny said:
lyric said:
The bald eagle population has increased around here. I was sooooo excited at first. Then watched as, one by one, they picked off my ducks :cry: All I have left are 3 drakes. Not so much fun seeing them anymore..........

I here they taste like chicken....

What you hear is true.



What? Did I say that out loud :oops:
 
nmhighdesert said:
at $5.6 million per wolf, the pelt from one turned into a nice rug would be worth????

I actaully heard bald eagles taste similar to the Spotted Owl?

I'll let you know when Spotted Owls start eating my ducks.... what's left of them anyhow. I wouldn't eat a snake on a dare though.
 

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