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NCBA Cattle: U.S. Animal Movement Database Rolled Out
DENVER (Dow Jones)--The National Animal Movement Database, which will allow U.S. Department of Agriculture health officials to trace an animal or group of animals back to their source quickly, was rolled out Thursday.

The system was explained by members of its board of directors to a gathering of cattle producers at the annual National Cattlemen's Beef Association convention in Denver.

In an interview with reporters after the presentation, database directors confirmed that the system is designed to be a single database for the nation. They also acknowledged that USDA Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service officials have said recently they will work with multiple traceback systems, if that's what U.S. agriculture wants.

In the interview, Joe Queenan of ViaTrace, the firm that developed the software needed for the system and the company that will operate the system, said the its database system is in use in some countries in Europe currently, so it is a "mature" system.

Charles Miller, chairman of the directing organization called the U.S. Animal Identification Organization, said the system seeks and stores only four pieces of data: the premises identification number, the individual animal or the group number, the date of the "event" necessitating the input of information into the Web-based system and the "event" code, which identifies whether the event is the birth, first sale, slaughter or a list of other possibilities.

The system will not store any other information, such as economic data about production, feed conversions or carcass quality, Miller said. If a producer wants this type of information, it will have to be stored somewhere else.

The three board members who met with reporters said the system currently is being tested, but an announcement about where producers can begin inputting data is expected within a few weeks.

The national database system was initiated by the NCBA but the cattlemen's group bowed out as the project leader on Jan. 10, the directors told reporters. It now has one representative on the board of directors, which will grow as more species become involved in the database, they said.

Access to data contained in the database will be limited to USDA animal health officials and to state veterinarians for disease traceback purposes, they said. Under normal conditions, local veterinarians would not be allowed access.

The database itself is to be kept at an undisclosed, secure location, the directors and Queenan said. The operation will be run like any business with annual audits and the board demanding an accounting of how the money is spent and the filing of tax returns.

Queenan said in his presentation the system would accommodate and work with many other systems already in place or being devised by companies of industry groups. And the trade show that accompanies the convention is full of companies offering their own software, tags, electronic readers or complete systems.

Some companies, such as Schering-Plough (SGP) or Merial, offer tracking systems that put more emphasis on something other than disease traceback. Merial's system, for instance, is designed to verify production methods or age for a USDA Beef Export Verification program. Schering-Plough's tracking system is meant to be a production-verification process, documenting when certain desired activities like vaccinations, were done.
 
Bill said:
NCBA Cattle: U.S. Animal Movement Database Rolled Out
DENVER (Dow Jones)--The National Animal Movement Database, which will allow U.S. Department of Agriculture health officials to trace an animal or group of animals back to their source quickly, was rolled out Thursday.

The system was explained by members of its board of directors to a gathering of cattle producers at the annual National Cattlemen's Beef Association convention in Denver.

In an interview with reporters after the presentation, database directors confirmed that the system is designed to be a single database for the nation. They also acknowledged that USDA Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service officials have said recently they will work with multiple traceback systems, if that's what U.S. agriculture wants.

In the interview, Joe Queenan of ViaTrace, the firm that developed the software needed for the system and the company that will operate the system, said the its database system is in use in some countries in Europe currently, so it is a "mature" system.

Charles Miller, chairman of the directing organization called the U.S. Animal Identification Organization, said the system seeks and stores only four pieces of data: the premises identification number, the individual animal or the group number, the date of the "event" necessitating the input of information into the Web-based system and the "event" code, which identifies whether the event is the birth, first sale, slaughter or a list of other possibilities.

The system will not store any other information, such as economic data about production, feed conversions or carcass quality, Miller said. If a producer wants this type of information, it will have to be stored somewhere else.

The three board members who met with reporters said the system currently is being tested, but an announcement about where producers can begin inputting data is expected within a few weeks.

The national database system was initiated by the NCBA but the cattlemen's group bowed out as the project leader on Jan. 10, the directors told reporters. It now has one representative on the board of directors, which will grow as more species become involved in the database, they said.

Access to data contained in the database will be limited to USDA animal health officials and to state veterinarians for disease traceback purposes, they said. Under normal conditions, local veterinarians would not be allowed access.

The database itself is to be kept at an undisclosed, secure location, the directors and Queenan said. The operation will be run like any business with annual audits and the board demanding an accounting of how the money is spent and the filing of tax returns.

Queenan said in his presentation the system would accommodate and work with many other systems already in place or being devised by companies of industry groups. And the trade show that accompanies the convention is full of companies offering their own software, tags, electronic readers or complete systems.

Some companies, such as Schering-Plough (SGP) or Merial, offer tracking systems that put more emphasis on something other than disease traceback. Merial's system, for instance, is designed to verify production methods or age for a USDA Beef Export Verification program. Schering-Plough's tracking system is meant to be a production-verification process, documenting when certain desired activities like vaccinations, were done.


This is the very database that the USDA just said does not have their "anointing" to be the only national database for bovines. So, who will volunteer to use it? It cost millions to develop. It will not hold information useful to individual producers. They will have to use other systems for that. What is the incentive to use THIS system instead of some other?

This will end up being a huge and costly boondoggle and embarrassment for the NCBA.
 
The proper way to handle this is for producers from all national cattle organizations to sit down with USDA and develop the criteria for a user friendly and efficient traceback system that accomplishes the goals of tracing cattle health and food safety problems. Once that criteria is developed, USDA could approve or disapprove of those companies and those databanks that have the ability to accomplish these goals.

This needs to be a unanymous decision and then it should be voluntary for compliance. If someone does not want their cattle traced, their cattle can be priced accordingly just like they are now for not giving preconditioning shots. The free enterprise system can drive this with minimal government influence. Significant premiums are already being offered for "source verified cattle". Nobody should be forced to benefit against their will. This industry would be best served by not forcing progressive producers to carry the regressive blamers. If there was a way to accomplish this with the beef checkoff, I'd be all for that too.


~SH~
 
~SH~ said:
The proper way to handle this is for producers from all national cattle organizations to sit down with USDA and develop the criteria for a user friendly and efficient traceback system that accomplishes the goals of tracing cattle health and food safety problems. Once that criteria is developed, USDA could approve or disapprove of those companies and those databanks that have the ability to accomplish these goals.

This needs to be a unanymous decision and then it should be voluntary for compliance. If someone does not want their cattle traced, their cattle can be priced accordingly just like they are now for not giving preconditioning shots. The free enterprise system can drive this with minimal government influence. Significant premiums are already being offered for "source verified cattle". Nobody should be forced to benefit against their will. This industry would be best served by not forcing progressive producers to carry the regressive blamers. If there was a way to accomplish this with the beef checkoff, I'd be all for that too.


~SH~
I am a bit surprised at your comments SH. The only way an ID system will work is to make it mandatory and national with one database. Anything less will not trace disease any better than what you have now amd we all know what a failure that has been.
 
Gosh, no one needs to spend any developement costs on any database as www.scoringag.com has been running and it even handles fish and fowl.
 
PORKER said:
Gosh, no one needs to spend any developement costs on any database as www.scoringag.com has been running and it even handles fish and fowl.
What countries use your system for a national database in animals.
 
Bill,

Those who do not want their cattle traced should be allowed to face the economic consequences of that decision rather than tainting a worthy process by their constant bitching. Let them wither on the vine when consumers refuse to buy their untraceable commodity beef. They'll figure it out. I detest any government MANDATE when the free enterprise system is already providing source verified beef. Source verification systems could meet governmental approval once that criteria is defined. I fed cattle for the USDA's first "TOTALLY PROCESS VERIFIED" branded beef program. I have no problems understanding the value of source verification. I just don't want the blamers to be forced into the same system when all they do is pull everyone else down with their relentless bitching.


~SH~
 
What countries use your system for a national database in animals.

First of all its not my system Bill,Ijust use it everyday.If you read their web pages they say that they operate in 210 countrys ,even in China.They cover ever animal species ,crop species fowl species and fish species in the world .They ScoringAg are the only big player in the world. just read their press releases and the news companys that write about them.
 
PORKER said:
What countries use your system for a national database in animals.

First of all its not my system Bill,Ijust use it everyday.If you read their web pages they say that they operate in 210 countrys ,even in China.They cover ever animal species ,crop species fowl species and fish species in the world .They ScoringAg are the only big player in the world. just read their press releases and the news companys that write about them.
Sorry my mistake you are an employee then?
 
~SH~ said:
Bill,

Those who do not want their cattle traced should be allowed to face the economic consequences of that decision rather than tainting a worthy process by their constant bitching. Let them wither on the vine when consumers refuse to buy their untraceable commodity beef. They'll figure it out. I detest any government MANDATE when the free enterprise system is already providing source verified beef. Source verification systems could meet governmental approval once that criteria is defined. I fed cattle for the USDA's first "TOTALLY PROCESS VERIFIED" branded beef program. I have no problems understanding the value of source verification. I just don't want the blamers to be forced into the same system when all they do is pull everyone else down with their relentless bitching.


~SH~
If cattle can't be traced because of not identifying them, everyone loses. Believe it or not the entire US beef industry is under a microscope at the moment and it has already been proven that your ID systme or lack of it is a joke and is one of the reasons the Japanese have been so hesitant at bringing in US beef.

We had blamers and naysayers up here while we implemented our ID system. It's too expensive......the gov't will know how many cattle I have.......the same short sited complaints the some in the US are now whining about.

Since May 20th those opposed to MID in Canada haven't said a peep.
 
PORKER wrote:
What countries use your system for a national database in animals.

First of all its not my system Bill,Ijust use it everyday.If you read their web pages they say that they operate in 210 countrys ,even in China.They cover ever animal species ,crop species fowl species and fish species in the world .They ScoringAg are the only big player in the world. just read their press releases and the news companys that write about them.
Sorry my mistake you are an employee then?****Not a problem Bill.Iam just a sales rep. now after I started using SSI on my farm in 2003.
 
Bill said:
~SH~ said:
Bill,

Those who do not want their cattle traced should be allowed to face the economic consequences of that decision rather than tainting a worthy process by their constant bitching. Let them wither on the vine when consumers refuse to buy their untraceable commodity beef. They'll figure it out. I detest any government MANDATE when the free enterprise system is already providing source verified beef. Source verification systems could meet governmental approval once that criteria is defined. I fed cattle for the USDA's first "TOTALLY PROCESS VERIFIED" branded beef program. I have no problems understanding the value of source verification. I just don't want the blamers to be forced into the same system when all they do is pull everyone else down with their relentless bitching.


~SH~
If cattle can't be traced because of not identifying them, everyone loses. Believe it or not the entire US beef industry is under a microscope at the moment and it has already been proven that your ID systme or lack of it is a joke and is
one of the reasons the Japanese have been so hesitant at bringing in US beef.
We had blamers and naysayers up here while we implemented our ID system. It's too expensive......the gov't will know how many cattle I have.......the same short sited complaints the some in the US are now whining about.

Since May 20th those opposed to MID in Canada haven't said a peep.

While that might be a small part of the reason Japanese wont take US beef,the bigger part is you keep coming up with new cases of BSE,sadly the Japanese believe the North American cattle herd is one,that is why M COOL is so important......................good luck Billy boy
 
HAY MAKER said:
Bill said:
~SH~ said:
Bill,

Those who do not want their cattle traced should be allowed to face the economic consequences of that decision rather than tainting a worthy process by their constant bitching. Let them wither on the vine when consumers refuse to buy their untraceable commodity beef. They'll figure it out. I detest any government MANDATE when the free enterprise system is already providing source verified beef. Source verification systems could meet governmental approval once that criteria is defined. I fed cattle for the USDA's first "TOTALLY PROCESS VERIFIED" branded beef program. I have no problems understanding the value of source verification. I just don't want the blamers to be forced into the same system when all they do is pull everyone else down with their relentless bitching.


~SH~
If cattle can't be traced because of not identifying them, everyone loses. Believe it or not the entire US beef industry is under a microscope at the moment and it has already been proven that your ID systme or lack of it is a joke and is
one of the reasons the Japanese have been so hesitant at bringing in US beef.
We had blamers and naysayers up here while we implemented our ID system. It's too expensive......the gov't will know how many cattle I have.......the same short sited complaints the some in the US are now whining about.

Since May 20th those opposed to MID in Canada haven't said a peep.

While that might be a small part of the reason Japanese wont take US beef,the bigger part is you keep coming up with new cases of BSE,sadly the Japanese believe the North American cattle herd is one,that is why M COOL is so important......................good luck Billy boy
Once again your stupidity is overwhelming Haymaker. :roll: :roll: Haven't you heard that Japan never closed to Canada? :lol: :lol: :lol: That's right Japan is is taking Canadian beef but not US.
 

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