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NCBA must be FLDS

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The must be FLDS ,as they are married to the packers and USDA.

J. Burton Eller has been named head of the National Cattlemen's Beef Association's (NCBA) Washington, D.C. office, replacing Jay Truitt, who left in a major staff shakeup earlier this year. Eller currently serves as USDA under secretary of ag for marketing and regulatory affairs. Earlier in his career, he was senior vice president of government affairs for the former National Cattlemen's Association (NCA) and also served as executive vice president of NCA.
 
It's just a continuation of the employee exchange program between the NCBA, USDA, and AMI.

You notice who Chandler Keys is working for now? JBS of Brazil.....
 
Sounds like sour grapes there! Don't you know that intelligent, hardworking, HONEST people are in great demand and can easily move from one position to another as their interest leads them. Typical of NCBA staff!

mrj
 
mrj said:
Sounds like sour grapes there! Don't you know that intelligent, hardworking, HONEST people are in great demand and can easily move from one position to another as their interest leads them. Typical of NCBA staff!

mrj
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I think instead of interests you should have put money.
 
mrj said:
Sounds like sour grapes there! Don't you know that intelligent, hardworking, HONEST people are in great demand and can easily move from one position to another as their interest leads them. Typical of NCBA staff!

mrj
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I think instead of interests you should have put money.
 
mrj said:
Sounds like sour grapes there! Don't you know that intelligent, hardworking, HONEST people are in great demand and can easily move from one position to another as their interest leads them. Typical of NCBA staff!

mrj
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How come their their "interests" always lead them to the same place?
 
Boys, why do you work? Is it a hobby, or is it for the money???

ranch hand, don't you know that Mormons do not engage in plural marriage? Excepting for some extremists, not part of the official church, that was given up long ago. You may think it was a cute comment. Aside from exposing your stupidity, it it's an injustice to a lot of good people.

Some very good people DO change jobs for for various reasons, including better money, to do something they love, or a challenging job they believe needs doing whether or not the money is 'better'.

Grow up and try to understand that the more than 30,000 members of NCBA can't ALL be wrong ALL the time!

Change isn't always bad or indicative of trouble. NCBA and predecessor organizations have often made changes. It is a timely way to prepare for and participate in cattle industry trends, giving our cattle producer members the best shot at success.

mrj
 
mrj said:
Boys, why do you work? Is it a hobby, or is it for the money???

ranch hand, don't you know that Mormons do not engage in plural marriage? Excepting for some extremists, not part of the official church, that was given up long ago. You may think it was a cute comment. Aside from exposing your stupidity, it it's an injustice to a lot of good people.

Some very good people DO change jobs for for various reasons, including better money, to do something they love, or a challenging job they believe needs doing whether or not the money is 'better'.

Grow up and try to understand that the more than 30,000 members of NCBA can't ALL be wrong ALL the time!

Change isn't always bad or indicative of trouble. NCBA and predecessor organizations have often made changes. It is a timely way to prepare for and participate in cattle industry trends, giving our cattle producer members the best shot at success.

mrj
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Potential customers protesting in the streets against our product and being shown by world-wide media is giving your members the best shot at success?

Why does the song "Rose colored glasses" always pop up in my head when you post on NCBA, MRJ?
 
Protests are not always what they seem.

And, didn't we read that during some kind of international food meetings, maybe WTO, some protesters were paid do protests, and others had their expenses paid. Some people will do anything for a 'free' vacation! Or to go out and riot.

Why is it that when some US beef in SKorea was discounted to sell quickly near the end of the "use by____" date, it sold like the proverbial hot cakes????

mrj
 
Protests are not always what they seem.

Sometimes they are exactly what they seem. Do you think the people worldwide who are seeing those protests are buying your company line?

And, didn't we read that during some kind of international food meetings, maybe WTO, some protesters were paid do protests, and others had their expenses paid. Some people will do anything for a 'free' vacation! Or to go out and riot.

If you can find any evidence to support your theory that the South Korean protesters are paid, by all means let's see it.

Why is it that when some US beef in SKorea was discounted to sell quickly near the end of the "use by____" date, it sold like the proverbial hot cakes????

Keywords "discounted to sell quickly" give you a clue?
 
I don't want to get into this Grade School type arguement that you two are in, but the statement "discounted to sell quickly" sort of struck a nerve. It doesn't seem sensable to me to let world politics and governments decide what and how much to import or to export. The consumer should be the one to say. How can we expect a country to take our products if they can't be sold without discounting them or selling at a break even price or by taking a loss.

To me it is reasonable for any country to set up rules and guidlines on what they import if it protects their own producers. It is also reasonable to set up standards for what they allow to be imported. I know that sometimes these standards are used as trade barriers and are not quite honest, but thats just the way things sometime are.

In my mind, I always have trouble with this hormone thing in Europe. Instead of trying to educate people or to turn them towards our beliefs, why don't we try to produce, and offer them hormone free beef and see if it would fly. If they are using this just as a trade barrier this would quickly be revealed.

I believe in world trade, but it is only sensable to import what can not be produced in your own country and export what someone else needs. If we can not export all we produce we will need to cut production. Tough maybe, but that is just the way the ball bounces.

I have a couple of questions. Do you think the Korean people will soon acept the idea that our beef is safe? and do you think we will ever get our market for beef in Korea up to where it was? and when?

Protests do have a leader or leaders. Just as organizations like R-Cal, NBCA, Peta, The Democrate Party, The Republican Party, and all others. The rest are just followers or Me Too people.
 
Clarencen said:
I don't want to get into this Grade School type arguement that you two are in, but the statement "discounted to sell quickly" sort of struck a nerve. It doesn't seem sensable to me to let world politics and governments decide what and how much to import or to export. The consumer should be the one to say. How can we expect a country to take our products if they can't be sold without discounting them or selling at a break even price or by taking a loss.

To me it is reasonable for any country to set up rules and guidlines on what they import if it protects their own producers. It is also reasonable to set up standards for what they allow to be imported. I know that sometimes these standards are used as trade barriers and are not quite honest, but thats just the way things sometime are.

In my mind, I always have trouble with this hormone thing in Europe. Instead of trying to educate people or to turn them towards our beliefs, why don't we try to produce, and offer them hormone free beef and see if it would fly. If they are using this just as a trade barrier this would quickly be revealed.

I believe in world trade, but it is only sensable to import what can not be produced in your own country and export what someone else needs. If we can not export all we produce we will need to cut production. Tough maybe, but that is just the way the ball bounces.

I have a couple of questions. Do you think the Korean people will soon acept the idea that our beef is safe? and do you think we will ever get our market for beef in Korea up to where it was? and when?

Protests do have a leader or leaders. Just as organizations like R-Cal, NBCA, Peta, The Democrate Party, The Republican Party, and all others. The rest are just followers or Me Too people.
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I don't see how we'll ever get our market back in S. Korea, Clarence. Not with the present policy of demanding consumers take our product on our terms and not theirs. When has that ever worked? That policy just flies in the face of basic business common sense. One of the basic rules in business is to give customers what they want. That rule is there for a reason.

Now we've got tens of thousands of people protesting in the streets (paid protesters according to MRJ :roll: ). That leaves an impression with people - a negetive and lasting impression that is certainly not condusive to sales. You also have to consider that if 50 thousand people feel strongly enough to protest, how many thousands harbor feeling not quite that strong, but negetive enough to avoid our product?

And to think that this could all be avoided with a simple optional $20 test that is a company's right to use and one who's popularity and use would probably fade away over time. I'm just amazed at the raw stupidity in action here.
 
Yes Elmo, They are dumb questions. That is why I asked them. Everyone who is honest with themselves pretty well know the answers. We have passed the point of no return and are getting low on fuel.
 
Clarence, sorry for the "Grade School type arguments", but I feel SOMEONE needs to attempt to keep Sandhusker semi-honest! And I do fully realize it is probably futile, but his yammering is not going unchallenged nor allowed to stand as apparent "facts" while I can still type.

You do have good points in your post, Clarence, especially re. the "hormone free" beef.....though there is no such thing. US beef with naturally occuring hormones only is sold in Europe, I believe. And the use of the claim as an unfair trade barrier factor has been verified there.

Apparently, the whole "hormone issue" in beef is a bogus health claim being used as a tool to convince people they should not eat animals, totally ignoring the fact that it is used to put more lean muscle and less fat on cattle.

I believe the MAJORITY of people in SKorea ALREADY accept US beef as safe. Protests are rarely representative of a majority opinion. It is not necessary to stage protests to attempt to gain popularity for an already popular idea, is it? So far as getting the market for US beef BACK to where it was, it seems logical that it will EXCEDE what it was previously, given the fact that they do like beef, and have increased incomes in that part of the world. So far as when, that surely will depend on the success of attempted mob rule, for just one factor. It may take some time, but the 'honesty and science' effort re BSE led by NCBA for the US cattle/beef industry will prevail, IMO.

Sandhusker, what is it about my point re. change being good and necessary for a best shot at success at times, IN REPLY TO ranch hands and your own statements indicating suspicion about CHANGES at NCBA that make you equate THOSE changes to protests in S KOREA????

No "rose colored glasses" for this lady! Unlike a certain purported banker who spends time on ranchers.net during hours most bankers are hard at work, or dreaming of taking the cattle business BACKWARD to some fantasized better era.

What don't you understand about the fact that S KOREANS buying that beef when it was discounted, DUE TO BEING "BEST IS USED BY ____" DATE as clearly demonstrating that the protests ARE NOT about food safety????

It would not make any sense to buy "unsafe" food simply because it is at a discounted price if one believed it was really not safe to eat!

And please, Sandhusker, show us how it is "demanding consumers take our product on our terms and not theirs" to OFFER it for sale to those consumers who WANT TO BUY IT? Those S Koreans who do not want to buy it are under no obligation nor pressure to buy USA produced beef!

mrj
 
Mrj..... if you would search out the news other than what the mainstream media would like for you to believe..........
80,000 people protesting in the streets is not an insignificant amount...... compared to their population it was very significant and the crowds were growing larger and larger.
 
Mrj - yes they were being forced to buy USA beef because it was part of the free trade agreement, and it was hitting the shelves of their stores and they didn't want BSE meat as they "perceive" all USA meat has BSE.
 
MRJ, "And please, Sandhusker, show us how it is "demanding consumers take our product on our terms and not theirs" to OFFER it for sale to those consumers who WANT TO BUY IT? Those S Koreans who do not want to buy it are under no obligation nor pressure to buy USA produced beef!"

The problems are on what is going TO BE offered, and one party is demanding that "sound science" and the OIE be followed, while the other one is asking that consumer demands be considered. Can you guess which country holds which position?


What about those people that want to buy tested US beef? Why can't we OFFER it to them? THAT is the heart of this whole avoidable and costly mess.
 

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