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We have been in the cattle business for twenty years, but will say the first ten was more hobby farmer we started out with one Angus cow that I bought for my husbands birthday. The boys both wanted to raise steers for the local fair and here we are. I am saying this to say that the first years we were not members of NCBA in fact have only been members for about five or six years. We have been considering attending a NCBA convention and I would love to know if anyone on the forum has attended and what your thoughts are on beneifits of attending.
 
I know it won't be this year I guess all the advertising is what has me thinking about it. Maybe next year if I start planning. I just don't think anything you can do to educated yourself is bad. Thanks for the reply!
 
We always figure that if you pick up a couple of good ideas, the trip was worthwhile. We try and take in as many seminars and trade shows as the budget will allow, and quite often come home with a couple of bright ideas. You never know what you may learn that will help you out in the future.
 
Pretty well sums up my feelings of the NCBA- we need to divorce them- as they have taken cattlemens money under false pretenses and whored themselves out to parts of the industry that definitely don't represent cattle raisers or cow/calf interests...

Grounds For Divorce

By Lee Pitts

Reprinted from the January 15, 2010, edition of Livestock Market Digest

As with most marriages, the one between the Cattlemen's Beef Board and the NCBA seems to be going through some tough times. Although they've been doing their fighting behind closed doors for years, if you listened hard enough you could hear their squabbling. But recently their marriage problems exploded worse than Mrs. Woods when she learned of Tiger's extracurricular activities. The only thing different is that the NCBA and CBB spat hasn't surfaced in the media. Until now.

Although our detractors will probably call us the livestock industry's equivalent of the National Enquirer, we'd argue that what follows was not something we made up. It came straight from letters from the Beef Board to the NCBA. And since it's your money they are fighting over, we thought you deserved to know what's going on.

As previously reported, the NCBA formed a Governance Task Force that's been working since July 2008 on recommendations for changing NCBA's governance structure. These were the first visible signs that the marriage wasn't working. When the Task Force unveiled their "conceptual framework" it became obvious to anyone who could read that their goal wasn't so much about improving anything, but was more about stealing the rest of the checkoff money they couldn't stuff in the bag the first time around. And from all indications, the NCBA really needs the money.



Sometimes when you plant seeds good things grow. Two months ago we wrote about what NCBA was trying to get away with and in response we received information from, not just one, but two very disgruntled folks who shared documents with us that you were, no doubt, never meant to see. Even though it's your money. We think these tipsters are real heroes, as is the Cattlemen's Beef Board who are putting up a good fight on your behalf. It's finally dawned on them that marrying the checkoff with the NCBA might not have been a good idea after all. It's not just us saying this... it's them.

After NCBA's Executive Committee sent out the task force's recommendations the Cattlemen's Beef Board Executive Committee wrote a letter back to them expressing their concerns about the recommendations. Here are a few tidbits from that letter, dated October 31, from the Cattlemen's Beef Board Executive Committee and addressed to Jan Lyons and John Queen, Co-Chairs of the Governance Task Force.

CBB: "We were gratified to hear of your strong commitment to the maintenance of the "firewall" between checkoff and non-checkoff funds at NCBA. As we discussed this important issue, we realized there are two facets to the firewall. One facet of the firewall relates to the expenditure of funds, and the other facet relates to the firewall of governance over checkoff funds at the Federation. Since there is an expectation of a separation of governance over Federation funds, we are very distressed to observe the proposed elimination of this separation. When the leadership of CBB met with 12 industry organizations over the past 18 months, the strongest and most consistent message we heard was the insistence on a greater separation between the Federation of State Beef Councils (Federation) and the policy activities of NCBA. Your current proposed conceptual model is diametrically opposed to the expressed desire of the leadership of organizations representing an overwhelming majority of beef producers. We are, therefore, extremely concerned that you have not given adequate attention to this important issue."

CBB: "In 2004-2005, NCBA went through an exercise to identify steps that needed to be taken to build a stronger identity and ownership of the Federation by members of the Federation and state beef councils. NCBA went so far as to have a separate session for Federation directors and a great deal of excitement and energy resulted. The structure you are now proposing totally rejects the valuable lessons learned over the past several years about the importance of a Federation whose directors feel a sense of purpose and ownership in the Federation. Several of our Executive Committee members were involved in those Federation exercises and are convinced that your current direction is misguided. In addition, your gap analysis indicated the need for a stronger identity for the Federation, yet your proposed structure basically eliminates the Federation."

CBB: "The merger of the Beef Industry Council and the National Cattlemen's Association in 1996 was a partial merger in that separate divisions were maintained. The separate divisions were maintained because of the strong desire of the state beef councils to retain the identity of the Federation and the control of the Federation over checkoff funds managed by NCBA. Your current proposal results in more of a takeover of the Federation than a merger, which is a 180-degree reversal of the structure previously embraced by state beef councils."

CBB: "While we understand the need for a membership organization to ensure its "members" are fully engaged in and support the decisions of the organization, we view the requirement for the NCBA Board of Directors to sign an oath of loyalty to NCBA to be excessive and dangerous to the well-being and integrity of the beef checkoff. It is true that NCBA represents many beef producers who own a significant number of cattle, but NCBA as an organization, does not represent the majority of the producers and importers who pay into the beef checkoff. As a result, we are very concerned with your proposal that NCBA board members, who would only be loyal to NCBA, would also be responsible for approving the Federation budget.

CBB: "We think this loyalty oath would constitute a conflict of interest of a magnitude that could destroy the very foundation of the beef checkoff program in the eyes of many beef producers who are not members of NCBA. As CBB members, we have sworn an oath on behalf of the U.S. Secretary of Agriculture that we will ensure the accountability and integrity of the beef checkoff and ensure the checkoff works for the benefit of all beef producers and importers. As such we feel compelled to tell you that we believe the proposed structure will create a conflict of interest so significant that it could ultimately cause the demise of the beef checkoff program for which we have all worked hard and a program which NCBA itself has frequently touted as helping to improve beef demand and has even paid to defend. We strongly urge you to protect the identity of the Federation and maintain its responsibility to all beef producers by retaining the Federation as a separate body, which has as one of its duties the approval of its own budget. Insofar as Federation funds are voluntary investments from state beef councils to be used for the benefit of all producers, we are obligated to point out that the expenditure of Federation funds must be determined by Federation directors only."

CBB: "In connection with the proposed Councils, we encourage you to take this opportunity to make checkoff-related Councils more open to other industry organizations rather than remaining so exclusive. A more inclusive or open approach to obtaining input to programs funded by the checkoff will be well received by producers who are not members of an NCBA affiliate, but who have a vested interest in the success of checkoff programs. This will also provide an opportunity for all producers to begin working together as we deal with well-funded adversaries who wish to turn consumers away from our product and ultimately eliminate animal agriculture in the U.S. We also encourage you to further develop your proposal concerning the manner in which other beef checkoff contractors would participate in the proposed structure because this issue is significant to many of the organizations that currently work with CBB and many of the state beef councils."

CBB: "In an effort to fully express how seriously we take our responsibilities, we are providing you with the oath that all Cattlemen's Beef Board members swore to uphold when they accepted their appointments to the Board."

THE SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE HAS APPOINTED EACH OF YOU ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF YOUR FELLOW BEEF INDUSTRY PARTNERS, TO CARRY OUT THE BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITIES ON BEHALF OF THE SECRETARY AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE ENTIRE BEEF INDUSTRY. YOUR NOMINATION AND SELECTION DEMONSTRATES THE RESPECT AND CONFIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE EARNED AS AN EFFECTIVE LEADER IN THE BEEF INDUSTRY. THIS IS A NATIONAL BOARD AND YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO REPRESENT ALL PERSONS WHO PAY THE CHECKOFF."

Wow! Repeating their marriage vows, in capital letters, no less!

So the NCBA Governance Task Force went back into counseling to try and save their marriage with the checkoff. From this reporter's view, it appears that the marriage may be too far broken to save. To show that everyone is not living happily ever after we present tidbits from the next love letter that was dated December 8, 2009, and was the CBB's response to the minor changes the Task Force made after the letter you just read. Again it was addressed to Jan Lyons and John Queen.

CBB: "We are gratified to learn that you revised some of your Recommendations in response to certain concerns expressed by our Executive Committee in its October 31, 2009 letter to the Governance Task Force (GTF), specifically removing the requirement for the Board of Directors to sign a loyalty oath to NCBA and creating more openness in program committee participation by allowing non-NCBA members to participate. However, we remain concerned about the following issues:

CBB: "We agree that a stronger Federation (of state beef councils) should be the cornerstone of any changes made to NCBA's governance structure. However, we do not agree that current recommendations would strengthen the Federation. In fact, we remained concerned about a loss of identity for Federation members since their only responsibility would be choosing two officers plus eight additional members to the Beef Promotion Operating Committee.

CBB: "We also came to understand that you are recommending that state beef councils investing in the Federation would have only a 40% vote in determining the expenditure of the checkoff funds they have invested in the NCBA. We are not sure we communicated our concern adequately in our discussion and wish to restate it here; namely, we are apprehensive that state beef councils will be less inclined to continue their current levels of investment in the Federation if they don't see a strong role for the Federation and this could result in fewer funds available for national checkoff programs. This opinion is voiced based on Federation history."

CBB: "In addition, your Recommendations would result in 60% of the votes in the proposed House of Delegates at NCBA being controlled by membership and service organizations, not state beef councils. This recommendation is extremely troubling to us since the non-checkoff representatives of the proposed House of Delegates could recommend a Federation budget which would not be acceptable to 100% of the Federation representatives since they only have a combined 40% of the vote."

CBB: "We think it is very likely that members of other beef-industry trade organizations paying into the beef checkoff would be very distressed to learn that some of the monies they have invested in programs of beef promotion, research and education are being expended to develop regulatory or membership policies of NCBA to which they may be diametrically opposed. We strongly encourage additional consideration by the GTF about the wisdom of using checkoff funds to reimburse expenses incurred while participating in policy development."

CBB: "While we recognize the desire to more fully achieve an additional level of integration, efficiency, unity and sense of ownership that is represented by one interpretation of the 1996 merger of BIC and NCA, we wish to offer some information for your further consideration. As noted in the third paragraph of CBB's Executive Committee letter of October, 31, 2009 to the GTF, there remains the stated desire of many in the industry for a greater separation of Federation and policy/membership activities so there is a clearer understanding in the industry of Federation processes and expenditures. Your Recommendations appear to move in the opposite direction of those views and this change may elicit a very divisive reaction. It is possible that moving Federation Directors into one NCBA policy organization, as has been proposed, may create more difficulties than solutions. We also ask that you keep in mind there are a significant number, and in some states a majority, of state beef council directors who represent non-NCBA affiliate organizations. It would be unfortunate if the Recommendations yielded some unintended consequences."

CBB: "Your Recommendations for the NCBA Board of Directors to approve all Federation budgets raises concerns because there would be no requirement for a certain portion of the NCBA Board of Directors to be elected from Federation representatives and there would be no requirement for the NCBA Board of Directors to approve a Federation budget that was recommended by the Federation. Under NCBA's current structure, Federation division members approve Federation budgets. We acknowledge that the current bylaws authorize the full NCBA Board of Directors to modify the Federation budget, but that requires a super majority vote (66.6%). We continue to think the Federation should control its budget and expenditures without the risk of modification by non-Federation representatives."

CBB: "Your Document indicated a recommendation for the NCBA Board of Directors to approve committee formation and appointments of committee leadership, but was silent about the process for determining the committees and appointing committee leadership. Should CBB, the Federation and NCBA choose to continue working together through a joint committee structure, we think our current processes of jointly determining the committee structure and jointly appointing committee leadership would need to continue."

CBB: "As you arrive at a final set of Recommendations, we encourage you to share your conceptual framework not only with state beef councils and affiliates, but also with other organizations within the beef industry whose members also feel a sense of ownership and pride in the Beef Checkoff Program."

We realize at the Digest that the content of the two letters is a lot to digest, (pun intended), but reread this story a couple times and what you'll discover is that the newly proposed structure the NCBA came up with would effectively "allow a restructured NCBA Board to have final say over expenditures of the checkoff." And that was in their words, not ours.

We say "Hurray for the Cattlemen's Beef Board," who are simply trying to save your other pocket from being picked by the NCBA. It's a tragic irony really that once again the NCBA Convention will be held in San Antonio . You may recall, that's the place where the illegitimate NCBA was born. We'll say again what we said then, "This was, and is, a marriage that never should have taken place and the sooner the CBB finds a good attorney and divorces this gold digger the better off we'll all be.

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Not to get in a pissin match with you Old Timer but I have to tell you after listening to Bill Bullard give what I thought was a half hearted pitch to the New Mexico Cattle Growers Association as to why we should continue our affliation with RCALF, I have to wonder if we arent trading one wolf for another. Have to say that I like the energy that USCA executive director(I think thats the right title for the guy) Jess Peterson has. I like his go getter done attitude.
 
nenmrancher said:
Not to get in a pissin match with you Old Timer but I have to tell you after listening to Bill Bullard give what I thought was a half hearted pitch to the New Mexico Cattle Growers Association as to why we should continue our affliation with RCALF, I have to wonder if we arent trading one wolf for another. Have to say that I like the energy that USCA executive director(I think thats the right title for the guy) Jess Peterson has. I like his go getter done attitude.

I know Jess- and he is a good guy- good representative of cattlemen- and USCA is working in the right direction- but NCBA sold out years ago to the big money interests, AMI, multinational packers, and importers-- and have done it by living on cattle raisers checkoff (tax) money....

We need a total separation of our cattle sale tax money (checkoff) from the NCBA- and put it back to working for what the majority of cattleproducers paying it want it used for- and not what the AMI and Tyson/etal want it used for...
 
OT said:
We need a total separation of our cattle sale tax money (checkoff) from the NCBA- and put it back to working for what the majority of cattleproducers paying it want it used for- and not what the AMI and Tyson/etal want it used for...
Agree with you on this...I would take my vote back, knowing what I know now. Ben Roberts should have written his book sooner!
 
NCBA reaches for more checkoff cash



by Alan Guebert

Farm and Dairy

January 28, 2010



When the cowboys of the National Cattlemen's Beef Association ride into San Antonio for the Cattle Industry Annual Convention and NCBA Trade Show Jan. 27, the hottest topic of the four-day meeting won't be stale markets, packer shenanigans or another ground beef recall.



No, the biggest bone to chew will be NCBA's plan to put a big bite on the $80-million-per-year beef checkoff.



How big?



NCBA is angling to swallow every penny of checkoff cash it can reach, suggest documents that outline its new "governance" plan and letters commenting on the plan from the Cattlemen's Beef Board (CBB), the USDA-appointed, 106-person group that administers the checkoff.



Wants it all



NCBA wants it all, says one CBB member familiar with NCBA's plan. If it succeeds in San Antonio, he reckons, then expect NCBA to push to double today's $1-per-head checkoff to $2.



It's an audacious plan for the commodity group whose membership does not include 97 percent of American cattlemen and dairy farmers who, by law, must pay the non-refundable, federal checkoff.



(While NCBA keeps membership numbers tight to its suede vest, industry analysts estimate it at about 30,000. They quickly add, however, that 6,000 or so are "industry" affiliates — staff, academics and meatpacker, animal drug and equipment reps — who do not pay checkoff fees because they sell no cattle.)



But skinny numbers — and it doesn't get much skinnier when 32 out of every 33 checkoff-paying cowboys refuse to join your group — has never bothered NCBA. In 1996, it muscled through a merger of its predecessor, the National Cattlemen's Association and the Beef Industry Council. That deal was to "unify all segments of the beef industry." It didn't.



Hostile takeover



Now, as recent correspondence between NCBA and CBB clearly suggests, the new plan looks more like a hostile takeover of the checkoff than a "reorganization" of beef industry groups.



"Your current proposal," warned CBB officials in an Oct. 31 letter to NCBA, "results in more of a takeover… than a merger, which is a 180-degree reversal of the structure previously embraced by the state beef councils."



The letter also noted CBB's strong objections to NCBA's plans to redraw industry power lines to give NCBA at least 60 percent of the juice — cattle group votes — on most cattle issues, including the checkoff budget process.



"As such," cautioned the CBB executive committee, "we feel compelled to tell you that we believe the proposed structure will create a conflict of interest so significant that it could ultimately cause the demise of the beef checkoff program…"



NCBA's reply?



It removed a silly, 1950s-like loyalty oath it intended to impose on members of its new regime. It did not, however, according to a Dec. 8 letter from checkoff officials, address key concerns of potential conflicts of interest, the need for a stronger firewall between the checkoff and its contractors, and the proposed voting structure that essentially makes NCBA king of the cattle world.



Core of this debate



The core of this debate, however, is not beef politics or checkoff policy; it's millions in checkoff money. NCBA wants — needs, say cattle insiders — more checkoff money to survive. Already it is the checkoff's biggest contractor, touching an estimated $50 million per year.



But, say critics, the group lives beyond its means both in cattle country and Washington where, despite its thin membership rolls, it claims to represent the majority of the nation's cattle.



Cattle don't vote. Trouble is, cattle don't vote; people do and 97 out of every 100 checkoff-paying cattle owners in America have voted to stay out of NCBA by not joining.



On that principle alone the new plan should be voted down in San Antonio: only the prime rib boys of NCBA want it and they have more hat than friends.




farmanddairy.com
 
gizmom said:
We have been in the cattle business for twenty years, but will say the first ten was more hobby farmer we started out with one Angus cow that I bought for my husbands birthday. The boys both wanted to raise steers for the local fair and here we are. I am saying this to say that the first years we were not members of NCBA in fact have only been members for about five or six years. We have been considering attending a NCBA convention and I would love to know if anyone on the forum has attended and what your thoughts are on beneifits of attending.




gizmom, If the convention was held in a favorable place that coincided with your vacation plans,might be worth your while to visit some exhibits,but honestly you will learn more about the cattle buisness here on the forums than wastin time/money on the NCBA crowd.
Lots of good information on the boards,excluding some of the canuckleheads,most of their advice is like sittin a milk bucket under a bull.........not to productive,especialy the one that calls himself Big Muddy,dont know manure from moth balls :D :D
good luck & Welcome
 
HAY MAKER said:
gizmom said:
We have been in the cattle business for twenty years, but will say the first ten was more hobby farmer we started out with one Angus cow that I bought for my husbands birthday. The boys both wanted to raise steers for the local fair and here we are. I am saying this to say that the first years we were not members of NCBA in fact have only been members for about five or six years. We have been considering attending a NCBA convention and I would love to know if anyone on the forum has attended and what your thoughts are on beneifits of attending.




gizmom, If the convention was held in a favorable place that coincided with your vacation plans,might be worth you while to visit some exhibits,but honestly you will learn more about the cattle buisness here on the forums than wastin time/money on the NCBA crowd.
Lots of good information on the boards,excluding some of the canuckleheads,most of their advice is like sittin a milk bucket under a bull.........not to productive,especialy the one that calls himself Big Muddy,dont know manure from moth balls :D :D
good luck & Welcome


So that's not Moth balls in your underwear drawer? :shock: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
HAY MAKER said:
gizmom said:
We have been in the cattle business for twenty years, but will say the first ten was more hobby farmer we started out with one Angus cow that I bought for my husbands birthday. The boys both wanted to raise steers for the local fair and here we are. I am saying this to say that the first years we were not members of NCBA in fact have only been members for about five or six years. We have been considering attending a NCBA convention and I would love to know if anyone on the forum has attended and what your thoughts are on beneifits of attending.




gizmom, If the convention was held in a favorable place that coincided with your vacation plans,might be worth you while to visit some exhibits,but honestly you will learn more about the cattle buisness here on the forums than wastin time/money on the NCBA crowd.
Lots of good information on the boards,excluding some of the canuckleheads,most of their advice is like sittin a milk bucket under a bull.........not to productive,especialy the one that calls himself Big Muddy,dont know manure from moth balls :D :D
good luck & Welcome


So that's not Moth balls in your underwear drawer? :shock: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

I dont have a underwear drawer,no need for under wear here in sunny Texas.
Do I remember Miss Tam complainin once about her closets smellin funny,when you put moth balls in em ? :D :D
good luck
 
How would you go about changing the problems at NCBA?

Would you discourage those interested in getting involved or support them, with some constructive advice?
 
hypocritexposer said:
How would you go about changing the problems at NCBA?

Would you discourage those interested in getting involved or support them, with some constructive advice?

You must be bored,but..................chase the packers out would be #1,run their ash back over to the AMI where their loyalties lie.
The folks interested in getting involved in the cattle industry politics would get my support and advise..................R CALF and or one of their affiliates.
good luck
 
It seemed right to bring this slop back to the top because I wasn't home at the time it was posted, and 'gizmom' deserves fair answers to her questions re. attending an NCBA convention.

More on that later. For now, I believe that anyone in any segment the cattle business who does not have an entirely closed mind can learn something worthwhile from attending!

OT, haven't you figured out yet that Lee Pitts should stick to strictly comedy......or isn't he good enough at it to make a living, so has to stir trouble even if it means twisting and creating immages not exactly factual? His words do appear mostly in auction market supported publications and many of them helped give birth to R-CALF in no small part as an attempt to cut the feet from under NCBA. It seems he tries to fan that fire at every opportunity he can manufacture!I believe CBB and the Federation of State Beef Councils partnered in forming that task force in order to IMPROVE a structure few understood. Originally designed to be all-inclusive, it was quite complex and could not act quickly when an incident affecting either beef production (Checkoff related) or beef producers (NCBA membership funded policy).

It is easy to understand that some anti-NCBA members of the CBB might work to skuttle the changes, given that there are members of ALL groups, not of NCBA, on the CBB and the Federation. In a perfect world, those issues would stay in-house and be worked out amicably among the parties involved, without typical industry dirty politics. Sadly, it isn't a perfect world.

If what Mr. Pitts quotes is accurate, it appears to me as if the CBB actually is trying to take over control of the Federation, over which they should have NO say, that being the state portion of checkoff dollars, and not legally under control of the CBB which controls the NATIONAL half of the checkoff dollar. Claims that CBB is complaining of NCBA not representing a majority of cattle producers ring hollow in that NCBA surely represents more cattle producers than any other one organization of those comprising CBB, obviously representing MORE cattle producers than the others. Not that it matters, IMO.

Regarding Pitts' cutesy comment about "their marriage vows, in capital letters...." doesn't it appear he believes NCBA requires that 'vow'? The statement from CBB is that the vow is required by USDA, not by NCBA!

Mr. Guebert really works to spread hatred of NCBA, Farm Bureau, and other successful member driven commodity organizations. Not sure whether he has been 'dissed' by being ignored by the larger organizations, or is he polishing his 'yellow journalism' skills before applying for a job doing the dirty work of the Democrat Party/Obama Administration????? And, as usual, OT is his ranchers.net handmaiden spreading his questionnable 'wisdom'.

For the record: NCBA is STILL only able to recoup expenses for work CONTRACTED by the Cattlemens' Beef Board which is STILL the group 'running' the national share of the BEEF CHECKOFF and is comprised of people from ALL 'cattle' organizations, and which STILL controls the awarding of contracts to do work for the BEEF CHECKOFF. CBB directors are STILL appointed by USDA, generally from a roster of candidates chosen by all the beef organizations in a state. There have been occasional occasions when someone used political pull to bypass the candidates of those state groups, however.

ALSO for the record: There would not be a Beef Checkoff if it were not for the hard work of the predecessor organization of NCBA supporting the passage of the law creating it. The vote of US cattle producers supported it by an 80% favorable vote.

The new governance plan, which passed very easily, is to streamline for cost savings, and to enable faster action when needed on both Checkoff funded industry issues affecting beef, and on NCBA only funded POLICY issues affecting legislation unfavorable to the CATTLE PRODUCERS.

There are insurmountable fire walls, with oversight by USDA (as well as by the predatory organizations wanting to dismantle NCBA) which assure separation of funds belonging to the Beef Checkoff from those of NCBA membership division.

The Federation of State Beef Councils is a group representing, and appointed by State Beef Councils to administer part of the STATE share of the checkoff dollar which each state may independently choose to spend nationally rather than in their state. They may be members of any organization, not necessarily of NCBA.

Another FOR THE RECORD: NCBA currently has more than 30,000 members and doesn't hide that fact. While Guebert chides NCBA for not having EVERY cattle producer in the USA as a member, one has to wonder which other organization of cattle producers has anywhere close to that number of cattle producers on their membership rolls. That is, adult, cattle producer, full dues paying members, not a bunch of small children listed as members according to how many dollars worth of cattle someone has 'donated' to a roll-over auction at some sale barn!!!

Obviously, some of the anti-NCBA groups who have members on the CBB are all to eager to feed Gueberts hatemongering with their quotes mis-stating facts of the governance plan. That plan, incidentally, had people from across the nation, and from CBB members from all organizations, not JUST NCBA members, who worked long, hard hours to come up with their plan. It is unlikely no one got everything they wanted, but they did come up with a plan and the membership has accepted the first step.

Doubtless, there are those working behind the scenes with false claims to scuttle the plan at future steps in the process toward full implementation. Hopefully, deviousness will not rule the day and the important work of both the Beef Checkoff and the NCBA membership will be improved upon.

I'm not going to argue every point of Guebert because I do not have the inclination. Anyone interested probably can access the FACTUAL plan at www.beefusa.

So far as the foolish assertions of packers running NCBA, that is not the case. NCBA members do find it reasonable to TALK to packers and work together on issues affecting both of us. E coli mitigation is just one that has led to great gains in cutting incidences of illness by 25% between 1996 and 2008, according to CDC.

OT continues his spewing his hatefilled attacks on NCBA with his repeated lies that NCBA lives off Checkoff money. NOT TRUE. IMPOSSIBLE under the Beef Checkoff law! NCBA, in fact, has at times LOST MONEY on contracts, and can ONLY recover actual costs of doing the contracted work.

gizmom, the NCBA convention will be in Tampa, FL in a couple of years, I believe. That just seems daunting for me to think about driving to, so not sure if we will make it. For an easier to get acquainted with the process meeting, the mid-year conference in Denver is great!

If the annual convention is your choice, there are a wealth of informative workshops, committee meetings related to checkoff projects, forums by leadership of the various entities CBB, NCBA, and more! CattleWomen have many interesting workshops. If you have studied the websites, you can get a hint of what a convention offers. At the annual meeting, there usually are Cattlemens' College programs which I've attended for several years. Subjects are wide ranging, from estate planning, to cattle reproductive issues, to anti-beef activist exposes' and help learning how to counter them.......you name it, it has been and/or will be addressed at an NCBA convention. The tone is realistic about our problems, yet not doom and gloom pushed by some other groups. No attitude of let's-solve-all-our-problems-with-litigation there!

Big Muddy, and FH, I KNOW that I'm a "has been"......I'm never a quitter, and old age is still a great time to learn and do things and meet people! mrj
 

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