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On the subject of salt and mineral feeders

Soapweed

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On the subject of mineral feeders, those old plastic/rubber half-barrels work as well as anything. Some of the molasses companies used to merchandise their product in these durable re-usable containers, and I'd buy their product just to get the nice future salt-bunks. They have lasted for many years. Sadly, most companies now use rinky-dink plastic "disposable" containers that aren't reusable. Even if they could be used again, they don't work because they are tapered. The taper is fine for hard molasses, but with loose salt and mineral, if the container gets tipped it stays tipped and the valuable feed goes out on the ground.

Some molasses products come in steel barrels that are reusable. These require a deposit, which is given back after the barrels are returned. Being steel, they don't work good as salt bunks because salt rusts them out so fast.

There is one company that makes good feed, and it comes in a nice reusable rubber container. This is MLS (Midcontinent Livestock Supplies) distributed by Pharmco. I get my tub-type feed from GE Associates in Martin. Their product is as good or better than any other, and is preferred by me because of the container. There is a deposit required, but it is still a bargain price for a good substantial future salt bunk. They are made from rubber, but are stackable and reusable. I can put ten sacks of salt, ten sacks of mineral, and a stack of these nice tubs on my Ranger, and go tootin' out through the hills to take care of the cattle. Two sacks of salt and two sacks of mineral fit into each tub. Some of these tubs have a small hole in the bottom, but a little piece of duct tape neatly solves the problem.

Years ago, my cousin drew a cartoon of a pickup rambling through the hills with tire tracks making circles in the pasture. The caption read, "For a young rancher, happiness is finding the salt box full of water after a good summer rain. For an old rancher, happiness is finding the salt bunk."

On that note, after a lifetime of salt box observation, I have determined that the best location for salt and mineral is on a sandy spot near a water source. The cattle always come in to water, and there they will find their other nutritional requirements. Some people place their salt and mineral in off-the-beaten path locations where the livestock seldom find it. It becomes like an Easter egg hunt for both cattle and rancher to re-find it. When cattle do go to it, a sandy spot occurs. There is no use starting a blow-out on perfectly good sod. The "educated" theory is that cattle will then go to areas of the pasture where there is more grass. Trust me, if there is unused grass in a pasture, the cattle will find it all on their own. Put the salt where the grass is already beaten out, and don't start another spot.
 
Soap, you have obviously never attended a Range management course. They will all tell you that moving salt and mineral is the easiest and cheapest way to maximize your pasture.
I have always put my salt/mineral boxes in the out of the way places, and unless I am feeding mineral sold by the locals, I have always had empty boxes when I was supposed to. I have 1 pasture that is close to 2 miles from the water line tank to the other end, and for the most part I can get cattle to the far end.
Of course if you follow the label, you HAVE to put your mineral close to water.
 
Soapweed said:
Trust me, if there is unused grass in a pasture, the cattle will find it all on their own. Put the salt where the grass is already beaten out, and don't start another spot.

Funny how different areas require different conventional wisdom. In these parts you put your salt in a spot where you would like some underbrush cleared out, and as the brush is slowly beaten back you keep moving the salt. And in these forested areas we graze there is no guarantee the cattle will make best use of the grass hidden within it without strategic salting practices.
 
FWIW
After 20 years, it has been our experience that cattle won't walk far to find
salt or mineral that is way out in a pasture just as Soapweed mentioned.

Of course there are exceptions to everything.

Here are a few tips we have learned through the years. You can control consumption somewhat by where you locate your feeders. If they are under-consuming move the feeders closer to
water. If they are over consuming, move them further from water. Another
little tip is that if they are over-consuming or under-consuming, add
more feeders. There are 'boss cows' that won't let the young cows around
the feeders so supplying more helps that situation. Have at least one feeder per 50 head; 1 to 30 head works really well.
We had one customer that had one feeder out for 300 head..........not the best idea......... :P :wink: :D
 
My mineral feeders consist of two 10.00x20 truck tires chained together and the I place old lick tubs in the tires. Works great and I drag them pasture to pasture as I rotate. I won't spend $200 on a mineral feeder.

I generally drag them to where a brushy patch is and let the cows stomp it down.
 
"Soap, you have obviously never attended a Range management course. They will all tell you that moving salt and mineral is the easiest and cheapest way to maximize your pasture."

I can't tell, is this a joke? Soap wrote the freakin book that includes a thousand subtleties for range utilitization that the desk herders haven't yet plagerized.
 
The BSE scare from about 10 years ago changed the way a lot of feed is packaged now. The reusable tubs had to go by the wayside, due to the cost of sterilizing them when returned. Way cheaper to go with a non returnable container, and zero chance of spreading anything when always using new.

I put out troughs where my customers want. Some want them by the water, or in another place that has been wallered out and no grass is growing there. Others want the troughs in out of the way places to encourage grazing where they may otherwise pass by.

Over the years I've learned a couple of things. Cattle are lazy, and really don't like to have to get out and hunt good grazing. There is a reason LOOMIX troughs are red. I put a trough out in a hard to reach under grazed area of a section one time. There were 27 pairs on this 640 acres, in country where you can run 30 pairs on 160 acres. Those pairs found that red trough within two days and decided the groceries there were pretty good after all. I had to move the trough to a different location a couple of weeks later. But I can certainly understand not wanting to start a blowout on fragile soil. It takes years for a bare spot to heal.

From my perspective, it looks to me like the skids with several mineral & salt feeders on them ought to work real well, with it being hard to tip the feeders over. I've got a couple of customers who have taken what looks to me to be a 55 gallon plastic drum and cut two pretty fair sized holes on opposite sides of the drum about two thirds of the way up from the bottom. They then cut two smaller holes opposite each other right up at the top of the drum. Then they ran an old log chain through the holes and arranged the chain around the limb of a pretty stout tree. Fill with salt or mineral. The drum is off the ground, can't be knocked over, and will just swing when bumped into or in a strong wind. Under a tree and with a lid, not much rain gets in them, and the grazing under trees is pretty marginal as a rule around here. I thought the drum idea was slicker than snot.

Your mileage may vary.
 
loomixguy said:
Over the years I've learned a couple of things. Cattle are lazy, and really don't like to have to get out and hunt good grazing. There is a reason LOOMIX troughs are red. I put a trough out in a hard to reach under grazed area of a section one time. There were 27 pairs on this 640 acres, in country where you can run 30 pairs on 160 acres. Those pairs found that red trough within two days and decided the groceries there were pretty good after all.

Yeah, but yours is candy, remember?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink: :P :lol:
 
Faster horses said:
loomixguy said:
Over the years I've learned a couple of things. Cattle are lazy, and really don't like to have to get out and hunt good grazing. There is a reason LOOMIX troughs are red. I put a trough out in a hard to reach under grazed area of a section one time. There were 27 pairs on this 640 acres, in country where you can run 30 pairs on 160 acres. Those pairs found that red trough within two days and decided the groceries there were pretty good after all.

Yeah, but yours is candy, remember?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink: :P :lol:

But that was according to a dime dropper. :wink:

Hey! We had a $40/ton DECREASE in price for the season! That's a lot of dimes that could be dropped!
 
Putting the tapered protein tubs in a 20 inch truck tire works for me, the bulls don't move them or tip them over. Can always move them with the front end loader.
Trucking companies love for you to pick them up.
 
I just built a new mineral feeder. I made it on wheels, so I can move it with the 4 wheeler. It is all steel, so I hope the cows wont destroy it! I too like to have it in a brushy area. When we were in MT, I found Soap's theory worked the best for me.
 
I have a nice collection of the tubs that Soap mentioned. I try to keep pretty good track of them. I don't like to place boxes close to water, mainly because it is not friendly to the range. Water sights take a lot of abuse anyway, I would just as soon not add to it. I move my bunks about every time I fill them. I like to place them along banks or in areas where I want a lot of impact. Salt bunks can do wonders for a blowout. Grass doesn't grow out of a bank, there are only two ways to change topography, with a machine or a hoof. I place my bunks along the banks and let the cows tromp them off. It would surprise you how much you can speed up recovery of those areas. Feeding on those banks is the only thing that works better.
 
LazyWP said:
Soap, you have obviously never attended a Range management course. They will all tell you that moving salt and mineral is the easiest and cheapest way to maximize your pasture.
I have always put my salt/mineral boxes in the out of the way places, and unless I am feeding mineral sold by the locals, I have always had empty boxes when I was supposed to. I have 1 pasture that is close to 2 miles from the water line tank to the other end, and for the most part I can get cattle to the far end.
Of course if you follow the label, you HAVE to put your mineral close to water.

I'd takes Steve's real world experience over some grass guru.He pay's his bills with cows not with speaking fee's.

From what I do know about Steve's cattle is they travel. When we had his heifers on this place the whole group would cover the pasture from end to end which in walking miles round trip was about 3 miles.I witnnessed them doing this while I was deer hunting in the same pasture they made their rounds like that every day. Our own cows here don;t do that but those cattle are used to traveling in their home pastures and did it here even though they did'nt need to. They covered the rounds every morning in a long line basically circleing the whole pasture in about 1 hour.
 
Over twenty years ago, a hired hand put a salt bunk on a nice grassy flat. It was almost what might be considered a meadow, and would have been hayable had it been in a different location. Right away cattle tromped around the salt bunk. It got to be sandy, so I left the salt bunk there for awhile. With drier summers and lots of wind, a blow-out formed. A couple years ago, I had to do quite a little grading with a tractor, and then we put hay on it. Now it is in considerably better condition, but it will never be as good as it was before a simple poor location for a salt bunk started the blow-out.

Areas where cattle water are always tromped and sandy. This is a perfectly good spot to put a salt bunk, where it will cause no further harm. I can see putting a salt bunk in willows or weeds, but sure hate to place them where there is already good grass established.
 
I have a mineral feeder on two wheels that gets moved regularly. I have mounted on it a cattle rubber, the rub has fallen apart. Anyone use the tank type oilers? I was looking at these.

http://www.enasco.com/product/C24534N
 
I imagine that the size of the pasture makes a difference in how quickly the cattle would find the salt tub. One of our herds is about 250 pairs and seldom has more than 200 acres of grass at once. Moving the salt away from water isn't a big deal, since they don't have to look too far. One feeder for the bunch never seems to be a problem as long as I keep it topped off and not let it get empty. There's never more than a couple cows around it.
I made a couple tire feeders, one for salt and one for mineral, each holds 200 lb of product. I put them in "sleds" I cut out of an old 275-gal chemical shuttle and pull them behind the 4wheeler when I move the herd. Every time I take more salt out, I drag the feeder a little ways to keep from killing the grass. Its been working real well. I like to park the feeders in a spot that needs a little disturbance to break down old dead grass, or maybe where the buckbrush is real dense.
 
rightwinger82 said:
I have a mineral feeder on two wheels that gets moved regularly. I have mounted on it a cattle rubber, the rub has fallen apart. Anyone use the tank type oilers? I was looking at these.

http://www.enasco.com/product/C24534N

I had a couple of mineral feeders with those on and they didn't seem to have a very long life - a couple of years maybe. The suspension chains were too light and the material wore out fast.

Maybe I expect too much but it's not like we run a lot of cows around here.
 

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