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Organics, A Load Of Fertilizer?

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Organic Farming Is a Load of--hmmm--Fertilizer

Ronald Bailey | September 14, 2007, 9:45am

A superb article in the Australian popular science magazine Cosmos debunks the organic food and farming craze. On claims that organic is more nutritious, the article notes:

A comprehensive review of some 400 scientific papers on the health impacts of organic foods, published by Faidon Magkos and colleagues in 2006 in the journal Critical Reviews in Food Science and Nutrition, concluded there was no evidence that eating organic food was healthier.

Even if it can't be proved that eating organic is healthier, advocates claim it is nutritionally superior. Some studies, especially those reported by the organic farming advocate group, the British Soil Association, show that organic produce has a higher content of vitamin C, minerals and anti-oxidants such as flavonols, polyphenols, lycopene and resveratrol.

However, some of the compounds present at higher levels in organic food are actually natural pesticides. According to Bruce Ames, a variety of insect-resistant celery had to be taken off the U.S. market in the late 1980s because its psoralen levels were eight times higher than normal and caused a rash in people who handled it. There was a similar story with a naturally pest-resistant potato variety that ended up being acutely toxic because of its high levels of solanine and chaconine – natural toxins that block nerve transmission and cause cancer in rats. Organic farmers who rely on 'naturally resistant' plant varieties may also be producing plants with high levels of 'natural' toxins. And in this case, 'natural' is not likely to mean better. Think of Abraham Lincoln's poor mother, who died after drinking the milk of a free-range cow that had grazed on a snakeroot plant.

Regardless of how it is grown, the nutritional content of fruit and vegetables is more likely to be affected by freshness or varietal differences. One study reported by Magkos tried to narrow things down by growing the same variety of plums in adjacent fields, with one using organic and the other conventional methods: the conventionally grown plums contained 38 per cent more of the potentially beneficial polyphenol compounds than the organically grown ones did.

What about claims for sustainability? With regard to preserving topsoil, no-till farming using genetically modified crops wins hands down. To wit:

An 11-year farming experiment by the U.S. Department of Agriculture in Beltsville, Maryland, compared crops grown three ways: conventional tillage, organic methods, or no-till. Compared to the conventional tilled plot, the organic plot was likely to hang on to 30 per cent more soil. But compared to the organic plot, the no-till plot hung on to 80 per cent more soil.

What about the alleged health dangers of synthetic pesticides?

If chemical pesticides are hazardous to health, then farm workers should be most affected. The results of a 13-year study of nearly 90,000 farmers and their families in Iowa and North Carolina — the Agricultural Health Study – suggests we really don't have much to worry about. These people were exposed to higher doses of agricultural chemicals because of their proximity to spraying, and 65 per cent of them had personally spent more than 10 years applying pesticides. If any group of people were going to show a link between pesticide use and cancer, it would be them. They didn't.

A preliminary report published in 2004 showed that, compared to the normal population, their rates of cancer were actually lower. And they did not show any increased rate of brain-damaging diseases like Parkinson's. There was one exception: prostate cancer. This seemed to be linked to farmers using a particular fungicide called methyl bromide, which is now in the process of being phased out. According to James Felton, of the Biosciences Directorate of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, who also chairs the study, "The bottom line is the results are coming out surprisingly negative. It's telling us that most of the chemicals we use today are not causing cancer or other disease."

Health of the planet and protecting nature?

...many agricultural scientists estimate that if the world were to go completely organic, not only would the remaining forests have to be cleared to provide the organic manure needed for farming, the world's current population would likely starve.

Yields?


...the poor yield of organic farming means that food production would be a major problem. In Australia, for instance, organic farming yields 50 per cent or less per square kilometre because of pest problems and phosphate-depleted soils. (Phosphate is locked away in the ancient clays; conventional farmers help themselves to highly soluble chemically-made superphosphate. Organic farmers can't use a chemical, so they use poorly soluble rock phosphate.)

One critical point to note is that conventional farming using genetically modified crops has been reducing its effects on the natural world over time using the findings of science. Since organic is an ideology, its ability use of scientific findings to reduce its impact on the natural world is heavily constrained.

Look folks, eat all the organic food you want. Just don't be fooled into thinking that you're doing something good for your health or for the health of the planet. You're not.

Whole Cosmos article here.

Some of my own reporting in 2002 on organic alchemy here.
 
While I don't think food nutrition is much if any different, what about leaching found in waterways?

That is a real problem, and is exacerbated by chemical farming.

I think a blend of both biological and chemical farming is a better approach.
 
I think a more natural way of raising beef is a wonderful idea, no hormones or drugs if you can help it, but when it comes to crops, nature just won't pay the bills. never seen a 200 bu yeild on an organic farm!
 
jigs said:
I think a more natural way of raising beef is a wonderful idea, no hormones or drugs if you can help it, but when it comes to crops, nature just won't pay the bills. never seen a 200 bu yeild on an organic farm!

But if you take a lower chemical cost can the bottom line be better with a lower yield?
 
Reminds me of Buckminster Fuller's comments about "natural foods."

"All food is natural. If Nature won't allow it, we can't do it."


That being said, I feel the less "stuff" used to produce something the better. I prefer a lean range/grass finished beef, I prefer pork raised on a good mix of whole grains. I prefer chickens and eggs that feed off the grasses and insects in the yard and field. I like using the pig pen as a garden the year after the pigs are finished with it. I like using Chicken manure for tomatoes and beans and squash. I would just as soon not medicate the animals unless they are sick, I rely on genetics to provide growth stimuli, not hormones or steroids.

But that is me. I understand that such techniques and methods may not provide the quantity Wal-mart and McDonalds require.
 
I sure wouldn't ever argue that organic is in any way more nutritous or healthier than other food in the chain. The question that needs answered is "Is it more lucritive?"
 
Jason said:
While I don't think food nutrition is much if any different, what about leaching found in waterways?

That is a real problem, and is exacerbated by chemical farming.

I think a blend of both biological and chemical farming is a better approach.

Jason,

My tendency is to worry about Urban/suburban household use of yard chemicals more than farm, yet it is never dscussed...Often a homeowner doesn't have the experience to apply proper rates or with proper methods. A farmer that overapplies is pissing away profits......

Yet, where is the outcry for eliminating hoemowner use to keep leached chemicals out fo storm drains? There is none because it is easier to attack the smaller population than the larger one that is more likely to abuse.....

That being said, I am for as minimal use of chemicals as possible.....I think to often te lack of production using natural ways is because it is done by people inexperienced with farming or ranching...At least to some extent,

PPRM
 
I've been penciling the numbers for this years crop.

It was brutally dry so everyone's yields were down.

The very earliest crops with full everything made 50 bushels.

Mine were in early but made 25.

I had $2 an acre in mine.

The hutterites had $42 an acre just in nitrogen. $22 at least for wild oats. They sprayed some with tilt at $22. They use phos on most fields.

I would guess that they had at least $65 an acre more into theirs than mine.

25 bushels @ (low bushel weight) $3.25 ?? price isn't firm on light grains.

My bushel weight is as high or maybe slightly higher, the crop wasn't forced into maturity quite as soon... it suffered but didn't burn.

$81.25 more, less $65 = $16.25

But many crops that were a couple weeks later yielded only 25-30 bushels with full chemical.

Then the picture changes to my fields making $65 more per acre than theirs.

Intangible costs of what extra does it cost to haul more grain is in addition.

It's a tough deal to know how far to push. That extra $16 would be nice, but not risking the $65 is even nicer.
 
To me it's not a question of organic vs. inorganic, it's a question of conventional chemical farming vs. no-till with natural inputs. I really don't give a damn about organic status. I feel it's far more important for farmers to stop using chemicals and NPK fertilizer made from natural gas that kill the beneficial organisms in the soil, which leads to depletion of topsoil over time. A scientist in a recent issue of AcresUSA stated that topsoil levels on this continent prior to colonization averaged 8%. Now, we're half that figure. No-till farming could go a long way to turn that around, as well as proper management practices on rangeland and tame pastures.
 
jigs said:
I think a more natural way of raising beef is a wonderful idea, no hormones or drugs if you can help it, but when it comes to crops, nature just won't pay the bills. never seen a 200 bu yeild on an organic farm!

I'm with jigs on the natural way of raising beef. But I don't intend to hop on the "organic" bandwagon unless there is a clear advantage to doing so with all things considered. I don't implant or routinely feed antibiotics.

I do give a single round of the full spectrum of fall shots required by the calf buyers nowdays. IMO, "organic", "drug free" and "all-natural" are overused as marketing gimmicks.

The last beef I butchered for myself was the best steer of the whole bunch that year. He got sick as a fall weaned calf. Hauled him to the vet and she gave him a single dose of Micotil which straightened him right out. If I had not treated him the only likely place he would have gone to would have been the profit pile!

The reason I kept him for myself was because I could still market his herdmates as drug-free where he was not because of that single dose of Micotil as a 600 lb calf.
 
Forward: Not to offend you guys producing "Natural" or "Organic", but this I switched from the "Natural" program I did for over 10 years for a reason.

I tell my customers that buying Oranic or Natural Beef can make them feel better about their purchase but because it's still grain finished you can't quantify a significant difference between it and conventional beef. On the other hand, you can test Grass-fed in a lab and quantify that it has higher levels of omega-3, CLA, fat-soluble vitamins and lower Saturated Fat. Also it has been proven the GUT has much higher cell counts of e-coli 0157:H7. Granted that no beef has e coli in it if it's processed correctly. Oh yeah, as long as you don't finish on the wrong type of grass (like fescue) you get more and better flavor.

Here are the top reasons I am not Organic

My new label says "No Fed Antibiotics", I tell my customers the problem is feedlots that feed trace amounts of antibiotics daily, that is what causes bacterial resistance, I treat animals if they need it, following the label by BQA methods, recording site, route, dosage etc. in Cattlemax. Then I tell them, after all that it's much easier to just say "No Antibiotics Ever"

Second, I don't want to be limited on the fence posts I use. I could buy Cedar here, it grows 1-2 hours north of me. I'm not convinced that CCA treated posts on my corners is going to influence the product I produce.
 
Ben, I never thought about CCA fence posts being a natural/oranic issue.

On grain fed beef, I assume any grain fed to the animal would also have to be natural/organic with no herbicides/pesticides used in production.

Likewise on grass fed beef. Would spraying thistles in the pasture be a disqualifying issue?

Of course ionophores are a no-no. NPN and feathermeal supplements in feed likewise.

Heck, come to think of it, maybe the natural/organic beef shouldn't be breathing those petro diesel fumes from the feeding tractor LOL!
 
all feed, grain and forage, has to be certified organic, therefore making your feed cost higher. Not much you can use for pesticide, not sure about chemical fertelizer. One key is to put your chemical inputs on before certification, same with fence posts, then you're grandfathered. Grazing does put 90% of the nutrients back, legumes are the only "free' source of nitrogen.

Probably not much you can do to spray for thisles, although, you can train cows to eat them. There's been a series of articles in Stockman Grass Farmer about training animals to eat weeds.
 
About the thistles, I was amazed to see the 2 -3 month old calves browsing on the flowers of the Canada thistle in our pastures this summer. Boy, were they being careful!

I checked the area where I saw them doing it and there was hardly a blossom left on the thistles. Just a stub where they had been attached.

Good control for the seeds, but I'm not sure if it actually harms the plant.
 
did you have to train their mothers? I didn't take the time to pen my cattle and bring the weeds to them this year for training. Maybe I'll give it a try next year. It's hard to justify penning them up when the grass is growing.
 
Chuckle, chuckle . . .

Nope, no training around here unless it's their mothers training me to move them when their grass is getting skimpy or the bale feeder is empty!:lol:

The only thing that I have seen their mothers do is sometimes they pick up the wilted thistles that I have mown off while trimming pastures. Never could figure out why they would try to eat thistles. I guess they must have something the cows want or need.
 
I like the idea of natural beef, but I see the whole organic thing as a joke. We have talked to a couple of poeple when they find out what you do you are automaticaly the most evil person in the world. One neighbor came over one day(die-hard organic does not farm) and was complaining about how it is just terrible that hogs are raised in confienment buildings and not "free range" then she started attacking the way we operate(conventional farmers). Some of these people don't have a clue.
 
Maple Leaf Angus said:
About the thistles, I was amazed to see the 2 -3 month old calves browsing on the flowers of the Canada thistle in our pastures this summer. Boy, were they being careful!

I checked the area where I saw them doing it and there was hardly a blossom left on the thistles. Just a stub where they had been attached.

Good control for the seeds, but I'm not sure if it actually harms the plant.

If the calves were biting off the blossoms, the plant should certainly die. When Canada Thistle is blooming and gets trimmed like that, the stalk actually bleeds that white milky fluid and dies.
 
Every time I drive past one of our local organic farms I get irritated. I see some of the best farmland in BC north of the Fraser delta in a constant state of fallow. It's been this way for at least 2 yrs ( I think 3) in order, I suppose, to controll his weeds. All I can think of is "didn't this guy ever read about the 'dirty thirties'?" His precious topsoil is laying there exposed to the elements, leaving a bit at a time with every gust of wind and rain shower. These guys are supposed to be the environmental leaders? I have a hard time believing that the farming methods we used in the 30's because we didn't know any better or have a choice would now be considered 'leading edge' or 'environmentally friendly'.

There. Thats my rant.
 
I think organic farming can be a good challenge, and possibly a little more money. I also think that you need to have everything well managed FIRST, before you make that change in production. Too many people jump into it without the experience, or as an excuse to not have to buy inputs, at least IMO.
 

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