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pasture grass for sandy soil?

SHAWN

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I am acquiring a 40 acre field that is fairly sandy with no irrigation, it is currently in farm production but it is marginal ground. I am going to plant it to grass next spring, hay it next summer and pasture it summer 09. What perenniel would work best for that type of ground? by the way it is NW Minnesota. Thanks
 
We've had terrific catches with Crested Wheat, and Paddock Meadow Brome. We are about as Sandy as it gets in places, and the Crested Wheat works great for early spring pasture, is real drought tolerant and hardy. I wouldn't hay anything on sandy ground myself. I'd leave the stand to establish and get litter on the ground as quickly as possible. The quicker you have that established the quicker you get something that looks like an organic layer in your topsoil. Hope that helps.
 
I don't have sandy soil but was wondering if Meadow brome and Cicer milkvetch wouldn't be good. If your grazing it I don't think it bloats like Alfalfa. What about a Sanfoin?
 
Thanks for the info guys, there is some outfits using meadow brome. I will check into it some more. I am not up on light soil forages, thanks again Shawn :)
 
Wish I could remember what we used now... We have some very sandy soil on this place so we tend to try to plant drought tolerant grasses when it comes time to renovate a pasture but my mind is drawing a blank (As usual) right now.. I think they might have been pushing a meadow fescue last time we looked at grasses but the warning on it was the cows would select graze it over some other things and it might not persist as well as we liked.. But I am having a real tough time remembering if that was for the sandy, or not so sandy sight we reseeded.
 
IL Rancher said:
Wish I could remember what we used now... We have some very sandy soil on this place so we tend to try to plant drought tolerant grasses when it comes time to renovate a pasture but my mind is drawing a blank (As usual) right now.. I think they might have been pushing a meadow fescue last time we looked at grasses but the warning on it was the cows would select graze it over some other things and it might not persist as well as we liked.. But I am having a real tough time remembering if that was for the sandy, or not so sandy sight we reseeded.

Thanks for clearing that up for us. :wink: :D
 
All we have is sand. Most of our pastures are Crested Wheat or mixes.

Crested wheat is a good grass for early season, and late if you get rain. But if you don't have much rain the feed value of it decreases rapidly once it matures. On the other hand, once established I don't think you can kill it.

Russian Wild Rye is another that I think would be good. We do not have much of it but from what I have read it holds its feed value well once matured. But, I believe it takes a while to establish, and you have to deal with the humps. But, again I don't think you can kill it once established.

Meadow Brome grass is another that we use quite a bit. It seems to do quite well for us on sand. It is quite hardy as well.

Alfalfa does well on sand, especially if you get some timely rains. Some of our best stands of alfalfa are on the sandiest soil. The problem of using alfafa is of course bloat. Mixing it with more palatable grasses can minimize the chance of bloat. Supposedly as long as you have at least 25% grass you should be OK, I would play a little more on the side of caution if seeding it to graze though.

We seeded some Intemediate Wheat grass a last year. It is supposed to be good for both sand and alkaline soils. We will see.
 
Well smarty pants BMr, lol.. I went out and found an old tag in the machine shed (We try to keep them around) and we didn't use Meadow Fescue but an endophyte free Fescue from barenbrug, mixed with orchard grass, Rye (Which was meant to statr up fast and die off) and some white clover... All of this is moisture dependant and I don't know how much Shawn is going to get up there.. The Rye would die pretty quick I imagine in his colder climates but I don't know about the rest.. Some of our soil has about 2 inches of black dirt and than the rest is pure sand.. Can be a bear to get things started sometimes...

The old vernal Alfalfa seems to volunter very well in areas that blow out for whatever reason...
 
IL Rancher said:
Well smarty pants BMr, lol.. I went out and found an old tag in the machine shed (We try to keep them around) and we didn't use Meadow Fescue but an endophyte free Fescue from barenbrug, mixed with orchard grass, Rye (Which was meant to statr up fast and die off) and some white clover... All of this is moisture dependant and I don't know how much Shawn is going to get up there.. The Rye would die pretty quick I imagine in his colder climates but I don't know about the rest.. Some of our soil has about 2 inches of black dirt and than the rest is pure sand.. Can be a bear to get things started sometimes...

The old vernal Alfalfa seems to volunter very well in areas that blow out for whatever reason...
We average close to 3.5 inches a month for the months of may, june, july and aug. The last couple of years has been less of couse. :(
 
I found this topic interesting and thought I would bring it back to the top. I was surprised of the many people who suggested Crested Wheatgrass.

If you go into western South Dakota, Montana, and other places west and ask a rancher what his favorite grass is, he will likely say Crested Wheatgrass. However I would not call it my favorite. In the past 50 years or so a lot of Crested has been planted here on wore out farmland. It makes good spring and early summer grazing but is not all that productive after a few years. I have always believed it is best in places where conditions are harsh, where moisture is limited and where fertility is lower, but it is an introduced grass that needs a good supply of nitrogen. Some vareities of crested are bunch grasses so fields tend to get humpy and rough. Crested Wheatgrass has a tendency to move into and invade native grass pastures, that can be either a good or a bad thing.

I prefer Intermediate Wheatgrass, although it does also have it's drawbacks and limitations. We do not really have adequate moisture or fertile enough soil for it to continue to do well. Fertilizer helps but unless we also get moisture it does not always pay out.

Smooth Brome has been used too, but it is losing it's popularity, it does best where there is more rainfall than we have here, and it is also a heavy user of nitrogen, it produces good a few years then get sod bound. Years back our conservationist recomended to seed 1/2 pound of brome per acre on our rolling hills and erodable soil, this proved to be a mistake as the brome just took over. It is terrible bad about invading fields and native pasture where is crowds out more desireable grasses.

What about Orchard Grass? We can not grow it here, except under irrigation, but would it do well in Minnesota?

It is my belief that cool season grasses make more growth farther north than they do here. Where the soil warms up later there is more hours of sunlight when grasses start their growth.
 
Faster horses said:
We had Orchard Grass in W. Montana and loved it on irrigated fields. Makes great hay and
great for grazing. I did see in an Extension pamphlet that there is a Dryland Orchard grass that is supposed to work in some difficult soil
type.
Thank you fh, right now that is at the top of my list. shawn
 
I know I suggested Cr. Wheat and Brome earlier, but keep in mind that the way you manage the field for the next 10-20 years will be more important than what you seed next year. I know that sounds ridiculously obvious, but lots of neighbors told me to rip up and reseed an old stand of pasture my Dad had seeded 15 years ago. The original mix was Cr Wheat, Meadow Brome, Dahurian Wild Rye, and Alfalfa, each at 25%. When I took it over 6 years ago, it was mostly just Cr Wheat, with tufts everywhere and alot of bare ground. With some intensive grazing and rest periods, it has become the most productive pasture we have. The brome and alfalfa has come back quite a bit, and there are also clovers and other species coming in that were never seeded there. It can be done, as long as you focus on the health of the soil before anything else.
 
Thank you for the advise. When I get back to MN I am going to go and talk to a couple more guys next to us and see what they have tryed in the past. Shawn
 

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