JB: "I guess I didn't think LB gave you a cheap shot. And what do you know about my bias's?!"

If you don't think the following statement is a cheap shot at all employees of GF&P, then your bias screams.

LB: "USFS is as arrogant and disconnected from the land and landowners as the SD GF&P."

How can you say you are not biased when you support a statement that claims that GF&P, which does not differentiate between anyone in GF&P, is disconnected from the land and landowners? 

I grew up on a ranch, I am passionate about ranching and all it entails, I remain involved in ranching, and I was involved in controlling the pr. dogs on Side's property.  Knowing that, how can GF&P be disconnected from the land and landowners?

That statement is bullsh*t and you are a fool to defend it.

JB: "So if someone has a different opinion than you they are taking a cheap shot?"

No, if someone makes a baseless allegation towards GF&P that they cannot support, then it's a cheap shot! 

JB: "I agree with LB as far as her take on GF&P..."

Then why did you ask what I knew about your bias?   Your bias is obvious.

JB: "Yea, I've had to shoot a lot of "Bambi's" to end there sufferering from poorly placed shots. Some by me, some by unknowns. Also cripples along the road. I hate to see an animal suffer."

How do you know they are suffering?  Did you ask them?  No, you ASSUME they are suffering because you are putting human emotions and feelings into animals. 

JB: "If the traps catch by the paw why do they refer to them as"leg hold traps"?"

Who is "they"? 

I don't know many trappers that refer to them as leghold traps because they do not catch animals by the leg, they catch them by the foot or paw.  Only biased animal rights zeolots refer to them as leghold traps because they want to create the image that they catch animals by the leg and break bones.

JB: "Why just the coyotes, why not the deer or antelope or any other species that is overpopulated? What about fox?"

Why do trappers just trap coyotes and not deer or antelope?

Because a deer and antelope leg is different than a coyote foot and deer and antelope can be shot more readily than a coyote. 

Why not fox?  Fox are trapped, just like coyotes. 

JB: "I've been "living" in the real world for a long time now Scotty. And I feel I need to read their propaganda so as to better defend myself and those like me who make a living from the land and cattle."

Looks like you have bought into their propoganda more so than using it to better defend yourself against them.  If that was not the case, you would not have had to ask if trapping gives me a "sensation of power".  That's animals rights propoganda through and through.

Unlike you, I won't bore you with my phsychoanalysis of your "sensation of power" question.

JB: "And a shot to the head is sure better than jumping on them to crush their ribs, as the man who used to trap here did. He didn't want any blood to ruin his set."

They don't jump on them to break their ribs.  What good would that do?Some trappers tap them on the nose to stun them then step on their heart to stop their heart.  You should have been asking more questions rather than assuming to understand what you were observing. 

Many trappers do that with fox to keep the blood from ruining the pelt, to keep the blood out of the truck, and to keep blood away from the set so as not to distract them from the lure or bait in the hole. 

JB: "He would get very upset when I would find a critter in one of his traps that he hadn't bothered to check for several days, and I would shoot the critter to end it's suffering."

How do you know it was the same animal in the trap for several days.  He may have removed the first animal and caught another.  I have been accused of the same thing by those who ASSUME it is the same animal. 

It's also illegal to tamper with peoples traps or the animals in them.  Did you know that?  I don't like anyone messing with my traps or trapped animals either unless I asked them to.  In many cases I ask landowners to check them for me.  You are not doing any trapper a favor by killing his critters for him if the weather is such that the animals fur starts to slip by the time he gets back.

Again, how do you know that animal is suffering?  Of course it doesn't want to be there but once the circulation is cut off to the paw, it's simply restrained like a dog on a leash.  They can't feel the trap beyond the initial capture.  That's why skunks and raccoons sometimes chew the part of their foot that is below the jaws of the trap because they cannot feel it. 

JB: "By the way, all of the ones he had were most definatley caught by the leg or ankle and were not sleeping when I found them. He must have had different traps than they have now."

The point is that I have seen enough coyotes and fox sleeping in traps to know that pain is not an issue as you assume by your "suffering" comments. 

I have no idea what types of traps your trapper was using but I know what is being used today by professional trappers.  Fox traps will seldom catch fox by the leg and coyote traps will seldom catch coyotes by the leg.  Coyote traps may catch fox a little high.   Perhaps you saw someone use coyote traps on fox.  In areas where both coyote and fox can be caught, the trapper will use coyote traps which are a little too big for fox.

JB: "Who said that I am not concerned with the cruel death of a calf or lamb?"

You mentioned the ASSUMED "suffering" of trapped animals so I asked why you are not equally concerned with the cruel death of a calf or lamb that was killed by that supposedly "suffering" coyote in the trap?

A sentence that ends in a "?" is a question not a statement!

JB: "Thats the problem with asking you a simple question SH, you can't just give a simple answer, but have to try and tear the person down who asked the question."

Oh cry me a river.  I respond to what has been stated and I can see through biased questions.

 

JB: "If you were to go back and re-listen or re-read the poem and/or song, I think that given more thought you might realize that the "cowboy in the continental suit" was in all actuallity a real cowboy who was dressed in that costume so as to set the guys up and win the bet."

I understand that.  That doesn't change the fact that someone who dresses like a cowboy may not know much about cattle and ranching.

JB: "....a cowboy wearing boots with the pants tucked in would denote someone who rode for most of his/her living."

Or someone who wanted to present that image.

JB: "Or as I do, because I have fat little calves and it's more comfortable to wear my pants that way!"

ok!

JB: "You seem to have a problem with the fact that I or anyone else would recite or write "cowboy Poetry". Is it because of jealousy?"

I have no problem with anyone reciting or writing cowboy poetry.  I actually enjoy it and I have already told you that I thoroughly enjoyed one of your poems. 

You call me paranoid?

My only point was that there are those who dress and act like cowboys and there are those who actually are. 

JB: "As for the cowboys on the fence in the poem/song, I would imagine at least one had the talent to write poetry or how else would we know of the events that transposed in the poem/song?"

Someone made it up?

JB: "And those "rowels as big as their hats" are much more humane than the tiny dime sized ones. Spurs are not meant for punisment, but for accentuation, by those who know what they are doing. "To elevate and lengthen the stride", is I believe how it is put."

Interesting!  I have yet to see a professional horse trainer wear large rowells on their spurs.  Perhaps they should attend your clinic.

JB: "You just seem to not want anyone else to hold a different opinion than you do as you are hasty to make amends or retorts, depending on who disagree's with you, whenever certain subjects come up."

I have as much right to correct wrong information as someone else does to present it.

JB: "Those who you feel you are superior to, you put down, malign and verbally try to beat up with mis-quotes and twists of the persons own words."

What the heck are you talking about "feel superior to".  Man you are losing it.  I don't feel "superior" to anyone, I just call bullsh*t when I see it and will continue to do so.  If you don't like that, I don't care.

As far as the "misquotes" and "twists", you make that allegation but you offer no examples to back it.  Same-O, same-O!

If you don't like my posts, don't read them.  It's that simple.  I'm not changing anything to fit someone else's idea of how I should post.

Have a nice day!

~SH~