The only prob ive had with judiths method,is when one just sits down and u have to cut something so theyll stand and breathe again...imho,not worth it,i just spent the 10 bucks and 5 minutes on the ring,and once they realize it gives a little they'll stand...its mostly mental from what ive heard /seen,and as far as my experiance goes (not too far if you ask some  :roll: ) trying to out muscle a horse just never seems to be satisfactory...youll just be lookin for a hella big tree,or watching her jump back and forth with the inner tube...Been there done that,but if you want,go for it..yall be carefull..