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Question for corn & soybean growers

cutterone

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I was told by some farmers the other day that a guy in our area was sued by Monsanto for saving and planting some of his harvested beans and had to pay them $5000 for technology rights. I could understand it if he was trying to sell them to someone else for seedbeans but not for his own use.
Anyone else heard of this?
 
You have to sign a contract that states you will not save seed for planting. Among alot of other stuff it says.Then they send you a liscence to use every time you purchase a product.With the way our crop insurance is tied together with the Farm Service Agency.I would bet Monsanto would know when a guy took a crap.When you buy RR varieties and BT corn and all the other Genetics you are buying the technology.A bag of seed corn cost me $107 each this year and thats a cheaper brand alot is over $200 a bag quite a bit of money for less than a Buschel of $5 corn.As The Pioneer Slogan say's "Technology that Yield's" someone has to pay for all the TV adds and their scientist's.

I have heard of people planting bin run corn for grazeing I have never seen it done so I don't know how it would work.Me I will just pay the fair I don't like trouble,lawyers,law suit's and fine's.

I have heard that within 3 to 5 years the only seed that they will have available will be 8 way stacked genetics who knows.What will that cost

I look at it this way when I build a trailer I buy all the steel when it leaves I need more steel to get another trailer built so I buy more supplies.Seed is just a suppley that I have to purchase.If you want your own steel suppley you have to start a steel mill.No different the corn or beans are your's but the technology they carry belongs to Monsanto sounds wrong but thats how it is.
 
planting bin run seed is a big risk...... get caugt and they will hang you.
with a multi billion dollar company, I am pretty sure the lawyer they have is a bit smarter than the local yokle I would be able to afford.....


what sucks is the guys in South America pay NO TECH FEE !
 
RETAINING GENETICALLY ENGINEERED SEED? CONSIDER RETAINING A LAWYER
Phillip B.C. Jones
April, 2005
"My daddy saved seed. I saved seed," Homan McFarling recently told The Associated Press. The Mississippi farmer has been fighting Monsanto in federal courts over his right to replant crop seed derived from a harvest. While the practice of saving seed may be ancient, the seed itself is something new. It contains Monsanto's proprietary technology.

Federal Circuit Upholds Prohibition against Saving Seed
In 1998, McFarling purchased Monsanto's Roundup Ready® soybean seeds and signed the company's Technology Agreement. This contract required him to use the seed for planting a commercial crop in a single season. It also recited three prohibited acts: supplying seed to any other person for planting, saving any crop produced from the seed for replanting, and supplying saved seed to anyone for replanting. Despite the prohibitions, McFarling saved 1500 bushels of Roundup Ready soybeans from his 1998 harvest and planted them the following year. He saved over 3000 bags of soybeans from his 1999 harvest for his next crop.

Before McFarling replanted soybeans collected from the 1998 harvest, he sent them to a third party for cleaning. Monsanto obtained a sample and had the DNA analyzed at Mississippi State University. When genetic analysis indicated that McFarling had saved Roundup Ready seeds, Monsanto sued the farmer in the Eastern District of Missouri, alleging patent infringement and breach of contract. The court forbade the farmer from using seed saved from crops grown with the patented soybeans. McFarling appealed to the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit. He lost.

Back in district court, Monsanto moved for summary judgment on its claims for patent infringement and breach of the Technology Agreement. The court ruled in favor of Monsanto and McFarling appealed. Once again at the Federal Circuit, McFarling argued, among other things, that the district court erred when it ruled against his patent misuse defense, his antitrust counterclaim, and his defense under the Plant Variety Protection Act.

The patent misuse doctrine aims to prevent a patentee from suppressing competition by impermissibly broadening a patent's scope. McFarling argued that Monsanto had committed patent misuse by impermissibly tying an unpatented product to a patented product. He argued that "y prohibiting seed-saving, Monsanto has extended its patent on the gene technology to include an unpatented product–the germplasm–or God-made soybean seed which is not within the terms of the patent." The court did not accept this argument, because McFarling could buy soybean germplasm without the glyphosate tolerance trait that brings the soybean within the scope of Monsanto's patent.

The court looked beyond this tying argument and suggested that something else really annoyed the farmer: the license controlled what McFarling could do with the second generation seeds that he had produced with the seeds acquired under the license. Monsanto's patent entitles the company to this degree of control, the court reasoned, because the patent claims cover the second generation of Roundup Ready soybeans. With regard to McFarling's antitrust argument, the court considered this a repackaged patent misuse defense. The court could see no evidence that Monsanto's licensing restrictions went beyond the boundaries of the patent grant.

In the third line of defense, McFarling contended that the Agreement's prohibitions violate the Plant Variety Protection Act. The PVPA permits farmers to save seeds of registered plants. The court disagreed that this right under the PVPA imparts the right to save seeds protected by the Patent Act.

Several months after the McFarling decision, a Mississippi federal district court judge considered Monsanto's patent infringement suit against Mitchell and Eddie Scruggs for planting unlicensed Roundup Ready seed. The defendants alleged that Monsanto's ban on saving seed had an anticompetitive effect that violated federal antitrust law. Citing the McFarling case, the judge wrote that, "Monsanto's no replant policy is not subject to challenge under the antitrust laws."

Legislators Attempt to Abolish Seed Saving Prohibitions
Is it possible to change the laws that justify bans against saving seed? Wes Shoemyer, a member of the Missouri House of Representatives, promoted legislation that would allow farmers to save the seed from patented, genetically engineered crops. Legislators in Iowa, Ohio, and Minnesota have introduced similar seed-saving bills. While Shoemyer acknowledged that state law cannot limit patent rights, he hoped that his efforts would drive the issue to the federal level.

On June 24, 2004, Representative Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) realized this hope by introducing the Seed Availability and Competition Act (H.R. 4693). Her legislation would allow farmers who plant patented seed to retain seed from the harvest for replanting. This benefit would come with a price: farmers who replant saved seed would have to pay into a Patented Seed Fund. Administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the fund would be used to reimburse the relevant patent holders. This safe harbor for retaining and using seed would override any contractual limitations or obligations to pay royalties or licensing fees.

While the National Farmers Union (http://www.nfu.org) and the American Corn Growers Association (http://www.acga.org) -supported the bill, not all agricultural trade organizations agreed. The National Cotton Council (http://www.cotton.org), the National Corn Growers Association (http://www.ncga.com) and the American Soybean Association (http://www.soygrowers.com) sent a letter to members of Congress expressing their concern about the legislation. The groups asserted that the bill would transform the current marketplace-driven system into a government-administered program and eliminate incentive for companies to invest in long-term research and development required to produce enhanced seed attributes. The USDA has been silent about its enthusiasm for the proposed administrative burden.

The House parked the Seed Availability and Competition Act in two committees throughout 2004. Kaptur promised to reintroduce the bill this year. It is unclear, however, whether the legislation could inspire more enthusiasm this year than last. The Center for Food Safety explores other options for resolving conflicts over saved seed in its report, "Monsanto vs. U.S. Farmers." Professor Drew L. Kershen offers his analysis of the document in this ISB News Report.

Selected Sources

Elias P (2005) Monsanto suing farmers over piracy issues. The Associated Press. January 13, 2005

Gannet News Service (2004) Farmers, biotech companies spar over seeds. Quad-City Times. August 7, 2004

Monsanto v. McFarling, 363 F.3d 1336 (Fed Cir. 2004)

Monsanto v. Scruggs, 342 F.Supp.2d 568 (N.D. Miss., 2004)

Phillip B. C. Jones, PhD., J.D.
Spokane, Washington
[email protected]
 
It's called "Biotechnology".


The question is.......how can someone grant a "patent" on a living organism?

Has been brought up many times that most of the genetic work on these patented seeds was done at government funded university's at the taxpayers expense.

But they'll have the question of whether you can save seed for planting ended with the introduction of the "Terminator" gene.

The terminator seed will be the end of the seed cycle (saved seed won't germinate) and we will be forced to buy new seed every year, plus pay a technology fee for the genes that made it not germinate. :mad:
 
Hybrid, certified seeds have been around forever. This is the forst I've heard of this. Makes ya wonder if some cattle breeder won't start wanting to stop a buyer from breeding or selling offspring from his genetics without a piece of the action.
Seems to me that the patient should stop after the initial seed. Some of the initial genetic traits go back 20-30 years.
 
It gets even worse. Alfalfa cross pollenates to other fields. SD had to put in a law stopping the sale of Roundup Ready alfalfa because if your neighbor planted it you were not allowed to harvest seed off your fields even for your own use. The technology is patented and even if you didn't sign a document stating you wouldn't harvest seed, if the technology ends up in your seed you can't use it.
 
Doug (or anyone), how would Monsanto know if the technology ends up in a non-customer's seed from cross pollination?

Does M have any legal right to access an individual's test results?

And is a test for gene modified content normally done in the customary seed test for purity/noxious weed content/germination?
 
we put out a bunch of the RR alfalfa, and you have to give the legal land description of the propert planted to RR alfalfa. they will come out and test your fields to make sure.

to plant a 1/4 section of the RR variety, it was $24,000 !! so Monsanto is NOT going to let guys just harvest the seed.

now last year it seemed to me that there was NEVER a decent test off of the RR hay, it looked pretty, weed and grass free, but no RFV. of course with hay in such short supply, the 145 hay is bringing the same as the 180 hay. gotta love those Dairy guys back east!
 
jigs, are there any restrictions about harvesting hay from RR alfalfa fields? (or where it could be fed?)

I've been know to put up some marginal alfalfa hay with some mature seed pods. Out in the pasture where it was fed I ended up with a little stand of volunteer alfalfa going where the bale was rolled out.

Wonder what M would think of my sorry hay harvest methods/timing? :roll:
 
all RR hay is supposed to be stored seperately and well marked.

uummm yea, I do that.

bill of laiding is to be marked and end user to know if it is RR or not.

lot of B.S. if you ask me, but I guess we need to be sure Monsanto gets the money. not us fools doing the work.
 
cutterone wrote

cutterone said:
Hybrid, certified seeds have been around forever. This is the forst I've heard of this. Makes ya wonder if some cattle breeder won't start wanting to stop a buyer from breeding or selling offspring from his genetics without a piece of the action.

Many top seedstock producers already do. They retain 50% ownership in their cattle. It's been a common practice for at least 6 or 7 years.
 

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