R-CALF to Argue USDA Doesn't Use Sound Science

[redriver]

I doubt seriously you would know a federal judge if he bit you in your lieing packer loving ash.............good luck

And you're an honest upstanding citizen? Ya, right. You're so full of yourself fudgepacker, you don't even realise how ridiculous you sound.

 

[HAY MAKER]

I doubt seriously you would know a federal judge if he bit you in your lieing packer loving ash.............good luck

And you're an honest upstanding citizen? Ya, right. You're so full of yourself fudgepacker, you don't even realise how ridiculous you sound.

Go away red driveler,the cattle industry is changing ,"GET USED TO IT" whats that you say ? you dont have cattle,just bored in your apartment ,well go post on Iluvpackers.com...........good luck

 

[Sandhusker]

After the rebuke Cebull got from the 9th circuit I'd be very very surprised if he didn't toe the line... in 'prettied up' language they called him a "meddling jackass" as a federal judge friend of mine said. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go "on vacation".... I don't think he'll want to get his nose bloodied twice. Now, given that good 'ol BS Bullard was "very pleased" with the appeals hearing it's not like R-BLAH didn't get a fair shake.

The fact is and always have been... they have no case and just as with MCOOL this is NOTHING more than market protectionism and scare mongering. Yeah, here's a great idea. Let's tell the world that the USDA doesn't have a clue and OUR BEEF SUPPLY IS UNSAFE!

After all, if it really WERE about food safety with MCOOL, why would restaurants, etc be exempt? Nope, it's all about the allmighty $$$ and how R-BLAH can put up more roadblocks that screw everyone ELSE up and fill their members' coffers. Fair play to them if they can get it done. They'll profit in the short term. In the long term, they're gonna sink us all. But of course, EVERYONE is out to screw the producer. *ROFLMAO* Idiots.

In a deal such as reopening the border and reversing policy, could you be so kind to share with us what the USDA is supposed to do and what they did?

 

[packerland]

After the rebuke Cebull got from the 9th circuit I'd be very very surprised if he didn't toe the line... in 'prettied up' language they called him a "meddling jackass"

as a federal judge friend of mine said. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go "on vacation".... I don't think

he'll want to get his nose bloodied twice. Now, given that good 'ol BS Bullard was "very pleased" with the appeals hearing it's not like R-BLAH didn't get a fair shake.

The fact is and always have been... they have no case and just as with MCOOL this is NOTHING more than market protectionism and scare mongering. Yeah, here's a great idea. Let's tell the world that the USDA doesn't have a clue and OUR BEEF SUPPLY IS UNSAFE!

After all, if it really WERE about food safety with MCOOL, why would restaurants, etc be exempt? Nope, it's all about the allmighty $$$ and how R-BLAH can put up more roadblocks that screw everyone ELSE up and fill their members' coffers. Fair play to them if they can get it done. They'll profit in the short term. In the long term, they're gonna sink us all. But of course, EVERYONE is out to screw the producer. *ROFLMAO* Idiots.

I doubt seriously you would know a federal judge if he bit you in your lieing packer loving ash.............good luck

Hmm... Hilda Tagle, Wes Steen... I'd say both qualify. One (Wes Steen) is a bankruptcy judge. Why you'd be so happy to send the packers to see him I don't know (and it sure as heck wouldn't be for him to bite me in the ash, he ain't THAT cute). I've never seen a group quite so intent on killing off their end users. Prey tell, once the packers go away what will you do with your feeder stock? The cattle feeders ain't buying 'em to sit there and look pretty on the feedlot. Oh sure I s'pose you can send 'em all to Amarillo but at that point there's gonna be a whole lotta cattle chasing a whole lot less chainspace.

Remember, MCOOL (if you get it passed) only means it has to be labelled Product of XXX. Doesn't mean they can't sell it. If Uruguayan/Brazilian/Argentine beef is half the price of US, the public isn't going to care. Or, (just as likely), they'll switch to chicken and pork and not worry about beef. Either way, we all lose. Of course, that makes sense and doesn't sound as good as the Evil Packer stories of the big bad packer lining his pockets at the expense of everyone else. You're right, this is all just one big fat lie. Packers are rolling in cash. If you believe that I have a bridge I'd love to sell you.

Know why the parent companies of the majors aren't too worried about all this BS? They have plants and cattle in Canada and Mexico. Think about that. Hard. Oh, sure, the US packer divisions care 'cause they're bleeding red ink. This is offset by the huge profits the Canadian and Australian divisions are making. MCOOL ain't gonna stop that. Last I checked, people didn't seem to mind Produit Du Canada on the box/package. Thus, all you'll have succeeded in doing is rendering the US beef industry utterly and totally irrelevant. As you say.... good luck. You're gonna need it.

 

[Sandhusker]

So, packerland, do you think it is good precident to stand back and allow the USDA to break their own rules in circumventing a health policy designed to protect you and your herd for the economic benefit of the multi-nationals? All of this without even a half-hearted attempt at scientific or economic justification? Do you like it when the people working for you via your tax dollars can not provide an explanation for their decision to reverse policy? Do you find it acceptable for a governement agency responsible for manging risk to admit their actions carried risk, but then couldn't say how much risk there was because they never bothered to find out?

 

[packerland]

After the rebuke Cebull got from the 9th circuit I'd be very very surprised if he didn't toe the line... in 'prettied up' language they called him a "meddling jackass" as a federal judge friend of mine said. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go "on vacation".... I don't think he'll want to get his nose bloodied twice. Now, given that good 'ol BS Bullard was "very pleased" with the appeals hearing it's not like R-BLAH didn't get a fair shake.

The fact is and always have been... they have no case and just as with MCOOL this is NOTHING more than market protectionism and scare mongering. Yeah, here's a great idea. Let's tell the world that the USDA doesn't have a clue and OUR BEEF SUPPLY IS UNSAFE!

After all, if it really WERE about food safety with MCOOL, why would restaurants, etc be exempt? Nope, it's all about the allmighty $$$ and how R-BLAH can put up more roadblocks that screw everyone ELSE up and fill their members' coffers. Fair play to them if they can get it done. They'll profit in the short term. In the long term, they're gonna sink us all. But of course, EVERYONE is out to screw the producer. *ROFLMAO* Idiots.

In a deal such as reopening the border and reversing policy, could you be so kind to share with us what the USDA is supposed to do and what they did?

The US and the USDA (and the CFIA and Canada) had it's head in the sand from DAY ONE on BSE. R-CALF still does. It never should've gotten this far and gotten where it did. BSE can occur spontaneously. To crow about BSE-FREE status and claim that a country with no BSE cases won't get any is idiotic. Yet, that's exactly what we did. When Canada presented with BSE, we stuck our head FURTHER in the sand, waved the flag and said, Oh no, no BSE here! Never! At that time in 2002 I remember thinking... it's just a matter of time until we find a native born case.

What we should've done back in 97 when we implemented the feed ban was done a proper risk assessment and adopted policies and procedures for SRM management. We should've been anticipating this problem. Then, when Canada came up with a case, rather than slamming the border shut and screaming WE'RE BSE FREE we wouldn'tve had an issue as the proper protective measures would already have been in place. We didn't do that.

Veneman didn't help matters by pandering to public opinion and slamming the border shut. At that time we should've implemented the thirty month rule and banned imports from Canada of bone-in beef. Obviously the cattle weren't unsafe as the boxes haven't ever stopped coming!!

Mind you, I think the entire issue is BS to begin with. BSE is such a non-issue. The chances of catching the disease are remote to begin with as one has to be genetically predisposed in the first place! Also, this CAN happen spontaneously in humans as it does in cattle. Finally... people have been eating tripas since time began. As that (the small intestine) is supposedly the MOST infectious part of the animal, why didn't we see a correspondingly large CJD occurence among the Latin community? I don't buy the "misdiagnosis" red herring.

 

[packerland]

So, packerland, do you think it is good precident to stand back and allow the USDA to break their own rules in circumventing a health policy designed to protect you and your herd for the economic benefit of the multi-nationals? All of this without even a half-hearted attempt at scientific or economic justification? Do you like it when the people working for you via your tax dollars can not provide an explanation for their decision to reverse policy? Do you find it acceptable for a governement agency responsible for manging risk to admit their actions carried risk, but then couldn't say how much risk there was because they never bothered to find out?

We were writing at the same time, some of this I answered in the previous post. As for the USDA and their rules, again, refer to my earlier post. Things weren't handled correctly from the get go but closing the Canadian border was not the answer. Veneman did things in "soundbite" mode... meaning actions calculated to make for good soundbites during the 30 minute headline news segments, etc. We're all worse off for that.

 

[packerland]

Ooooh bad news for R-CALF... Cebull did a lot better than I thought he would! He vacated ( cancelled) the argument. So, no 27th hearing. Not postponed, CANCELLED. Thus, R-CALF's only recourse would be to appeal the cancellation... to the Ninth Circuit. As Hay Maker is fond of saying... Good Luck.

Another nice thing about this, the Ninth can now take their time and issue their opinion whenever they please. I'll be happy to see it when it comes out... in a few months.

 

[Anonymous]

OT: "I heard Boyle on the radio say that AMI is looking at going to Congress and legislating the border open if they loose anything in the trial---Use the millions they've spent on buying politicans to go around the safety issue"

The safety issue?

What safety issue?

This was never a safety issue, this was a "protectionist" issue.

If Canadian beef is "HIGH RISK" so is U.S. BEEF. There's no way around it when the precautionary measures are virtually identical.

If R-CULT's case had gone through, our beef would be considered "high risk" since we now have a BSE case in our native herd.

R-CULT has become the laughing stock of any clear thinking American cattlemen.

Risking the integrity of the U.S. beef industry to stop Canadian live cattle imports has to be the absolute dumbest political move I have ever seen in my life. WITHOUT QUESTION!


~SH~