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Soapweed: lol.....yaah I can see that your fencer is character enough to do things his way.......nothing wrong with that! BTW our fencer (before he quit and went back cowboying) is a perfectionist and craftsman......his fences are straight and built right. Two men were completely building from 3/4 to a mile and a 1/4 of new 4 wire fence a day (depended on how rough the ground was). They can pound and move far faster than anyone could ever dig and tamp in our rocks!