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Responsibility from Beginning to End...good article

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I hope all of us read this, and take to heart what is written. Unfortunately, for the majority of us here on "ranchers" asking you to read this is like preachin' to the choir, but it is a good reminder.

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BeefTalk: Responsibility From Beginning To End
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Nutritionist Wanted
Now is the time to re-evaluate feed intake!
By Kris Ringwall, Beef Specialist NDSU Extension Service

A troubling event occurred this past week at an auction barn. There was a feeling of "not wanting," but also a feeling of "that is the way it is."

The auction barn is known as a social center and a place to sell cattle. People share stories and experiences that go along with an industry that is speckled with considerable individualism.

This past week at the auction barn, the business of selling cattle was taking place. One could observe a number of things that really involved livestock, people, perception and reality.

The effects of a long and cold winter were evident. The cattle were thin, particularly the older cattle, and it was obvious the tough winter was gaining the upper hand.

This reality pointed to the fact that now is the time to re-evaluate feed intake! Cattle need energy and a balanced ration to survive the demands of winter and pregnancy.

Thin cattle are simply underfed. These thin cows will have problems at calving and rebreeding. They will have little milk, poor colostrum and weak, emaciated calves. It is time for a simple decision to be made. Visit your cattle nutritionist today or your veterinarian tomorrow.

Back to the sale barn. The cattle were handled well and the sale was prompt and efficient.

However, one cow did stand out. The cow was the cause of my troubled feeling. It was a feeling of concern.

The cow was licking off her newborn calf that was born at the auction barn. While the pair was properly cared for, an auction barn is not the place for birthing a calf.

A cow that is nine months pregnant and due to calf should be at home, but I had the feeling "that is the way it is."

A few more pens down the line, a pregnant mare was awaiting sale. The mare looked like many mares because she was preparing for foaling when the weather warms up and spring settles in.

Mother Nature has equipped horses with a very timely reproductive system that times foaling with spring, thus limiting the number of concerns about foaling during winter storms. This is true for all wild mammals, each with its own reproductive system, well tuned to its respective environments.

However, this mare was out of place, so the feeling of "that is the way it is" came back.

However, that really is not true. Producers need to perform a self-evaluation of situations like this.

Cows or mares are the reproductive unit that forms the foundation of the herd. Management is the key to the success of any operation. The management of herds includes the evaluation and re-evaluation of production practices.

Even without records, a cow that is due to calf is noticeable. In reality, if one stays up and waits for her to calf, you may wait a couple of weeks, but sloughing her off in the market chain is inappropriate.

Likewise, why is a bred mare being sold at this time? Perhaps the stud should not have been put out.

Now, before the e-mails start flying, I do understand that plans can change and "that is the way it is." However, breeding livestock requires planning. When those plans slip, the cow calves in the auction barn.

That is reality. However, the perception is one that casts a shadow not just on one producer, but all producers. Cattle that enter the market chain enter as market beef and it is up to us as producers to evaluate ourselves to make sure we only send market beef to auction.

We should manage around cull cows. At the same time, we are responsible for the animals we breed and we must remain responsible to the end.

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You can add chronic bloaters,lungers,bad eyes etc that end up there-that's why god invented rifles and back hoes!!!! There are just some things that need to be taken care of at home. When we I used to video cattle for satellite sales we had a guy had three loads of calves sold for alot of money-he just about pissed the whole deal away trying to slide an obvious lunger in on the sort. Give your heads a shake people.
 
Any of the above should be taken care of at your home ranch!!!! It amazes me how guys will ruin their cattles reputation trying to slough off stuff at the yards.
 
Northern Rancher said:
You can add chronic bloaters,lungers,bad eyes etc that end up there-that's why god invented rifles and back hoes!!!! There are just some things that need to be taken care of at home.

AGREED! I think people should have to pass a competency exam to own livestock. The minority of bad producers give everybody in our industry a black eye. The "that is the way it is" attitude has dug a deep hole, and with the public becoming increasingly interested in their food sources, we as an industry need to start aggressively cleaning this problem up within. Sale barns need to also refuse and/or charge a substantial fee for disposing of these mismanaged animals...start docking the check, and people would start to "get it" :wink:. The problem is that they still get paid for their improper management.
 
Northern Rancher said:
Any of the above should be taken care of at your home ranch!!!! It amazes me how guys will ruin their cattles reputation trying to slough off stuff at the yards.
I totally agree,only bring good healthy cattle to sale,your product is what defines you and your outfit at large. What people think of your animals will make or break you.
 
We have an old cow (95 model) that is old and crippled. She has been fed separate all winter. Mr. FH says she owes him nothing and after she calves he will take care of her right here. She'll never see the inside of a sale barn.

Watching the old worn out milk cows that go through the sale ring is just about more than I can stand. And of course, the horse deal is a whole 'nother story.

Thanks for the article TTB.
 
Haveing a cow calf at the salebarn really isn't that big of an issue I don't think. But passing junk cattle off is just plain wrong. I was talking to a couple of friends and the one had just lost a cow. She said it started going down hill a couple of weeks ago and then just died. The other guy said that as soon as an old cow starts going down hill fast he takes her to the salebarn. Those old thin cows are only worth 200 bucks. If I don't want to eat her why would someone else want to eat her.
 
Andy said:
If I don't want to eat her why would someone else want to eat her.

Amen to that. If all of us raising cattle looked at things that way it would take care of a lot of the consumer misconceptions about their food supply.
 
I think that this problem is universal.One of the biggest disgraces here is in the fall when people sell their cull cattle as breds.I know that a lot of us have done it and some still do but it has to stop. The classic argument for this practice is that some of us are perfectly happy with a bred cow from a good herd that doesn't quite live up to the expectations of the original owner and we are of course better Judges of diamonds in the rough than even the order buyers which may be alright for those of us that are experienced but what a crappy thing to do to the less experienced ones.This is also a rotten thing to do to the cow as well.We need each other more than we know as there are enough things against us in this business without ailienating our neighbors by poor behavior.We personally have never sold any cow as bred.If she doesn't fit our outfit she gets her tail bobbed and is sold by the pound.The difference in dollars is a small price to pay for integrity.
 
C Thompson said:
I think that this problem is universal.One of the biggest disgraces here is in the fall when people sell their cull cattle as breds.

Agreed, but sometimes you can tell the sale barn to sell them as culls, and they end up pregging them and selling them as breds. This happened to my friend this fall, and she called them on it... she was furious! :mad: Their response was that they thought they'd bring more as breds...this was true, but wasn't their decision to make. After she got done with them, I don't believe they'll try that crap again :wink: . Sure miss the good ol' days when you could take your culls directly to Packerland.
 
We live 30 miles from Long Prairie pack so I just haul them there.If a cow is suspect they check her if she passes you get paid if not they tank her.I can't see why a bad eye would make one unfit to eat I don't eat eye's anyhow.

Alot of times cattle end up at a salebarn when bill collectors are calling.It's better to sell 2 junk cows and keep the good one than the opposite.If you sell all the good one's and keep the culls you won't be in business for long.When I sell cows they are cull's so they are'nt going to be the cream of the crop all the time.I sold 2 fat cows a few weeks ago and one that was'nt all had flaws 1 was open 1 aborted the other was old and thin.I figure if there is a market for them I would much rather pocket $200 than pay $30 for the gut truck to pick up.

Being sentimental towards old cow's is nice but so is paying my bill's.
 
Can I agree but then disagree as well.

I agree the sale barn gets a lot of bad stuff but if I had a cow break a leg or something like that I would butcher for my own use.

In much of this you need to use common sense but to many people tried to slip things by and so the rules had to be made to try to keep idiots in line but the crooks will still figure a way to get past.

Look at the peanut processors who got bad inspections and then kept sending samples to other labs till they got a good one and it took almost 18 months for us to find out! In my opion they should be executed like they did in China and the replacements would think long and hard before going down the wrong road.
 

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