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http://www.cattlenetwork.com/e-newsletters/drovers-daily/Commentary-OCM-and-HSUS-embrace-to-scuttle-checkoff-165717346.html

having HSUS involved in my buisness is SCAREY to say the least
 
What an unfunny joke. There is already a great "organization of competitive markets" in place, that has worked very well for many years. It is called a "sale barn." We sure don't need a wolf in sheep's clothing like OCM (the Organization for Competitive Markets) clogging up the arteries of commerce. With OCM and HSUS crawling in bed together, it pretty well brings out the true colors--guilt be association. With friends within our own ranks like OCM, who needs enemies? :mad:
 
This action is disgusting, but not surprising.

After all, OCM and R-CALF are pretty closely related and are also quite careless about with whom they jump into bed.

It's very possible that this will end the beef checkoff, but it will NOT end NCBA.

The beef checkoff would not have the successes it has had if not for the expertise built by NCBA and given freely to beef checkoff project with ONLY the costs recovered. In fact, there were times NCBA did not get reimbursed fully for costs.

Hopefully all that will 'discovered' all over again if this gets into an honest court of law.

mrj
 
Apparently many of you forget the multi thousands of $ of Checkoff Funds it was found that the NCBA had embezzled or misused when an audit of even a very small portion/period of the checkoff funding was done !!! Our cattle tax dollars don't need to be funding NCBA members parties, political activities, and members/leaderships family vacations in Hawaii...

Probably should be NCBA folks in criminal court- not just being sued to get their hands out of the cookie jar... :mad:

The beef checkoff should be a stand alone organization- with no control/direct input from NCBA, OCM, R-CALF or any such organization..
 
Oldtimer said:
Apparently many of you forget the multi thousands of $ of Checkoff Funds it was found that the NCBA had embezzled or misused when an audit of even a very small portion/period of the checkoff funding was done !!! Our cattle tax dollars don't need to be funding NCBA members parties, political activities, and members/leaderships family vacations in Hawaii...

Probably should be NCBA folks in criminal court- not just being sued to get their hands out of the cookie jar... :mad:

The beef checkoff should be a stand alone organization- with no control/direct input from NCBA, OCM, R-CALF or any such organization..
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Yes, we should be like OCM and hob-nob with the likes of HSUS. U-BET.
 
Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
Apparently many of you forget the multi thousands of $ of Checkoff Funds it was found that the NCBA had embezzled or misused when an audit of even a very small portion/period of the checkoff funding was done !!! Our cattle tax dollars don't need to be funding NCBA members parties, political activities, and members/leaderships family vacations in Hawaii...

Probably should be NCBA folks in criminal court- not just being sued to get their hands out of the cookie jar... :mad:

The beef checkoff should be a stand alone organization- with no control/direct input from NCBA, OCM, R-CALF or any such organization..
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Yes, we should be like OCM and hob-nob with the likes of HSUS. U-BET.
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Not a big supporter of OCM and I don't approve of that- but its not much different than when NCBA crawled in bed with the enviromentalists and greeny weenies at the nature conservancy to create the conservation easements and payments which will eventually end up all our range/ranch land in the hands of the enviros ...

But I do believe all of us in the cattle business should be fighting to remove the ability the NCBA has to dip into the checkoff cookie jar whenever they feel like it- and then walk away unprosecuted claiming ignorance as their justification :roll: ... If not the checkoff should be disbanded and done away with..

I've supported the checkoff since day one- and actually believe the fee/tax should be increased to compete with the countries that already pay $3-4-5-- But I can't support that when NCBA has control of our money ....
 
For the record, there NEVER was any misuse or embezzelment of Beef Checkoff Funds by NCBA.

There were incorrect attribution of expenses to proper accounts, which were correct via the mechanism built into the system for exactly that purpose.

Such errors go both directions, with underpayment for justified costs of checkoff programs incurred by NCBA.

The audits demonstrated that there was no intent to misuse money, and in fact it was NOT embezzled.

The real problem is that some groups are jealous of the successes NCBA built for the Beef Checkoff programs, AND want their own fingers in the cooky jar of beef checkoff funds, or at the least, to spend money on their pet ideas which are NOT legal for checkoff funds.

mrj
 
mrj said:
For the record, there NEVER was any misuse or embezzelment of Beef Checkoff Funds by NCBA.

There were incorrect attribution of expenses to proper accounts, which were correct via the mechanism built into the system for exactly that purpose.


mrj
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I think that one takes the cake...I've worked 40 years with thieves and crooks- and found they and/or their families/friends usually have some way to rationalize their criminal activity in at least their own minds.... But "incorrect attribution of expenses to proper accounts" is about the best definition of embezzlement and theft I have ever heard of .... About evey embezzler I've talked with all said they planned to give it back - but they never said that until after they were caught.... :lol: :lol:

NCBA should have been forced to pay for a complete 10 year "forensic" audit- repay all the estimated Millions $ they misused/stole from the cattle taxpayers and then been forced to give up any association with the Beef Checkoff and the Checkoff Board....
 
You are factually challenged, here, OT. Possibly it is your blinding bias against NCBA affecting your viison.

With as many ways as the OCM/LMA/R-CALF/NFU cabal has tried over the past several years in misguided attempts to damage NCBA by ending the beef checkoff, does ANYONE honestly believe that IF there had been illegal activities by NCBA it would NOT have been found and prosecuted???

mrj
 
The Beef Board is in fact a stand alone board, governed independently of NCBA. The checkoff dollars are not collected by NCBA. Another organization, Cattlemen's Beef Board (CBB) collects and disperses the monies. The state councils get fifty cents of each dollar to operate within the state collected; they may invest a portion of their fifty cents in national programs if desired. The Operating Committee of CBB decides how the monies are dispersed. The committee members are all producers and may be nominated by any of 245 different farm organizations. Contractors can only be reimbursed for the work they actually do and cannot make a profit from a checkoff contract. Dozens of organizations are eligible to apply for checkoff dollars. No contractor may be reimbursed for expenses above and beyond actual costs. The NCBA does submit the bulk of these requests asking to be reimbursed for the work they have done to promote the beef industry, so indeed they do receive the bulk of the remaining dollars. Perhaps there is a relationship between who receives the bulk of the dollars and who is doing the bulk of the work. There are, however, many folks who do not want to be confused by the facts, and the fact is the NCBA is only a contractor and in no way is a manager of the Beef Board.

The NCBA has two distinct divisions. The divisions are The Policy Division and the Federation of State Beef Councils. The Federation of State Beef Councils receives checkoff dollars. They coordinate with the state councils and contract with the state Beef Boards to implement and conduct checkoff programs to use checkoff dollars for their intended purpose. Absolutely NO checkoff dollars are used by the Policy Division of NCBA. This system works to channel half of our checkoff dollars from states with high numbers of cattle (checkoff dollars) and fewer numbers of consumers to impact states that have fewer cattle and more people. About a fourth of the national population lives in the Northeast, and our advertising dollar is quite effective up there. After all, let's not preach to the choir. Cattlemen already love to eat beef. Urban America needs to be informed of the value of beef in their diets. These are facts.
 
If I remember right Shortgrass- you sort of have or have had a conflict of interest biased view of NCBA... Do you not have a daughter that worked for or works for the organization?

The fact is - An audit of just one percent of NCBA checkoff contracts for 2008, 2009 and part of 2010 forced NCBA to repay nearly $305,365 of misspent checkoff money... To me that is either outright theft or extreme incompetence - which in either case should remove the NCBA from handling our taxpayer dollars..

How many Millions of $ of misspent checkoff dollars would be revealed by a complete "forensic" audit of all the years of NCBA's checkoff dealings.... :???:


Maybe for those that don't remember the allegations and issues along with all the evidence that was presented with just a very miniscule audit-- maybe you want to refresh your memory


http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=49410&highlight=checkoff

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41913&highlight=checkoff

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52913&highlight=checkoff

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52367&highlight=checkoff

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52157&highlight=checkoff
 
I just got back inside and checked out this thread. If we find an unbiased opinion, I guess we'll both be left out, huh? Yes my daughter did work for NCBA. I am a member of that association, because I believe in what they do. The wagons are circled, but maybe we better aim away from one another before we start shooting. Have a good night.
 
Oldtimer said:
If I remember right Shortgrass- you sort of have or have had a conflict of interest biased view of NCBA... Do you not have a daughter that worked for or works for the organization?
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To me this seems like more a case of "riding for the brand" than that of a "conflict of interest."

The NCBA is a good outfit, and they work for the good of all ranchers everywhere in a positive fashion.
 
Always amazes me where a topic gets put by who is commenting. If I would have made any of these negative comments, this whole topic either would have been deleted or moved, but since its Oldtimer making them, they stay here.

Just sayin
 
LazyWP said:
Always amazes me where a topic gets put by who is commenting. If I would have made any of these negative comments, this whole topic either would have been deleted or moved, but since its Oldtimer making them, they stay here.

Just sayin
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Lazy WP-- I do agree with you that it was probably put in the wrong topic as by definition a discussion of NCBA belongs in the Bull Session- but I didn't start the thread... And since everyone whines and crys so bad about any I move into the appropriate threads- especially ones I comment in- I decided to leave the decision to the other Monitors and/or Administrator...

Now you are whining- which proves my belief developed thru long years of serving on administrative boards and with the public- that with any decision you make- you are usually damned if you do, and damned if you don't... :roll:
Impossible to work with the public and make everyone happy...

Since folks are gonna whine anyway- I guess I should have just done what was right in the first place...
 
Oldtimer said:
Guess I should have just done what was right in the first place...
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That would be not commenting at all..... :wink:

But you aren't one to let an opportunity to besmirch anyone or anything go to waste, are you, cupcake? :roll:
 
Personally, I think the thread needs to stay right here. It is of definite interest to all ranchers. The OCM is trying to stab the whole ranching industry in the back, and they are doing it with the help of HSUS. Ranchers need to be made aware of this fact.
 
I understand that some don't like NCBA or other organizations. What I don't get is joining forces with the devil to fight your enemy. You do that and the whole industry gets burned.
 
Soapweed said:
Personally, I think the thread needs to stay right here. It is of definite interest to all ranchers. The OCM is trying to stab the whole ranching industry in the back, and they are doing it with the help of HSUS. Ranchers need to be made aware of this fact.
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Soap, provide some detail about your stance on the OCM, when you get a minute.
Good luck
 

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