The "Salmon Run"

[Econ101]

What is your problem with the Packers ECON why do you hate them so much and can't you work around it being you aren't a producer or are you? :???:

Tam, it is not all packers. Just ones that exert market power and political influence to get away with it. It cheats the little guy out of the producer surplus.

 

[Tam]

What is your problem with the Packers ECON why do you hate them so much and can't you work around it being you aren't a producer or are you? :???:

Tam, it is not all packers. Just ones that exert market power and political influence to get away with it. It cheats the little guy out of the producer surplus.

Econ You think I should work around R-CALF LIES so why can't you work around Tyson they are only one of the packers producers can sell their cattle to, not the ONLY PACKER. Besides most doubt you even have anything to do with the Cattle industry that in itself should make it eazy for you to work around them. If you have evidence of them doing what you claim they are, then do something about it by taking it to the authorities. But until they are proven guilty of something I choose not to be like you and punish them because they are successful. And don't bother with the "Well they are successful because" argument , unless you have PROOF.

 

[Tam]

Tam, "Econ tell us if all beef coming from Canada was tainted and a genuine risk of death if imported into the US as R-CALF CLAIMED IT WAS then why were R-Calf supporters in Canada buying cheap cattle and selling the meat into the US market with the rest of the Canadian beef? R-CALF's own members didn't believe the crap Leo was spouting or they would not have been buying Canadian cattle. So why is it freedom of speech when R-CALF lies to hold up a whole industry but it is industry retaliation against producers if the Canadian slaughter plants decide they want to support the Canadian producers by not buying R-CALF Supporter owned cattle at the same price they were willing to pay Canadian producers?"

How many cattle were bought by R-CALF members? I don't need an exact number, round it to the nearest thousand.

How many R-CALF members were buying Canadian cattle?

I'm with Bill do your own research but calling the R-CALF office will probably do you no good as Leo changed his story so it wouldn't look so bad for R-CALF's credibility on the tanited beef line. He first came out defending the R-CALF supporters rights to buy cattle in Canada by saying "I don't see anything wrong with it as these guys have been going it for years."
But all those other years R-CALF wasn't claiming our beef was a genuine risk of death were they?
So when on the RFD-TV program they had Shae asked him about it and his answer was "There were no R-CALF supporters in Canada buying cattle why would they there is not value in it for them." See how the story changes when the truth goes against the story R-CALF wants everyone to believe. Leo can deny it and so can you but there were quotes in news articles on both sides of the border from the R-CALF supporters whining about how the packers stole their profits and how they lost their shirts. Well to bad alot of Canadian producers lost their shirts because of R-CALFS lies and delays so why shouldn't they. That was the price they paid by thinking they could come to Canada and make a fast buck off the backs of the Canadian system that R-CALF wanted no part of.

You know R-CALF members were buying cattle up there and losing their shirts, but you don't have any idea of how many members there were and how many cattle. All you have is heresay and no facts. In short, you don't KNOW anything.

Here's what I KNOW, Tam. There very well could of been a few R-CALF members buying cattle up there. If the actual number could be found, I would wager that it was a very, very small number compared to the membership rolls and not as what you are trying to allude to.

I KNOW R-CALF did not encourage members to buy Canadian cattle, and that they have no control over individual member's business activities. To hold R-CALF somehow responsible for a handful of members going against the orginization's policy would be the same as holding the Republican party responsible for a member getting an abortion or holding the Democrat party responsible for a member buying a pistol at a gun show. :roll:

This latest attempt to discredit R-CALF is just as comical as BMR trying to paint them as antagonists to Creekstone. You folks are tinkling upwind. :lol:

If Leo didn't think it was a big thing why did he change his story from Defending those supporters to denying they exsisted Sandhusker? It all goes to R-CALF credibility. If Leo had stuck to defending them he would have been telling consumers that some of R-CALFs largest financial supporters and a member of R-CALF's own International Trade Committee Co Chairman Brent DeBruycker's family didn't believe his tainted beef story so he changed his story to deny they even exsisted. CREDIBILITY SANDHUSKER CREDIBILITY.

 

[Bill]

Tam, "Econ tell us if all beef coming from Canada was tainted and a genuine risk of death if imported into the US as R-CALF CLAIMED IT WAS then why were R-Calf supporters in Canada buying cheap cattle and selling the meat into the US market with the rest of the Canadian beef? R-CALF's own members didn't believe the crap Leo was spouting or they would not have been buying Canadian cattle. So why is it freedom of speech when R-CALF lies to hold up a whole industry but it is industry retaliation against producers if the Canadian slaughter plants decide they want to support the Canadian producers by not buying R-CALF Supporter owned cattle at the same price they were willing to pay Canadian producers?"

How many cattle were bought by R-CALF members? I don't need an exact number, round it to the nearest thousand.

How many R-CALF members were buying Canadian cattle?

I'm with Bill do your own research but calling the R-CALF office will probably do you no good as Leo changed his story so it wouldn't look so bad for R-CALF's credibility on the tanited beef line. He first came out defending the R-CALF supporters rights to buy cattle in Canada by saying "I don't see anything wrong with it as these guys have been going it for years."
But all those other years R-CALF wasn't claiming our beef was a genuine risk of death were they?
So when on the RFD-TV program they had Shae asked him about it and his answer was "There were no R-CALF supporters in Canada buying cattle why would they there is not value in it for them." See how the story changes when the truth goes against the story R-CALF wants everyone to believe. Leo can deny it and so can you but there were quotes in news articles on both sides of the border from the R-CALF supporters whining about how the packers stole their profits and how they lost their shirts. Well to bad alot of Canadian producers lost their shirts because of R-CALFS lies and delays so why shouldn't they. That was the price they paid by thinking they could come to Canada and make a fast buck off the backs of the Canadian system that R-CALF wanted no part of.

You know R-CALF members were buying cattle up there and losing their shirts, but you don't have any idea of how many members there were and how many cattle. All you have is heresay and no facts. In short, you don't KNOW anything.

Here's what I KNOW, Tam. There very well could of been a few R-CALF members buying cattle up there. If the actual number could be found, I would wager that it was a very, very small number compared to the membership rolls and not as what you are trying to allude to.

I KNOW R-CALF did not encourage members to buy Canadian cattle, and that they have no control over individual member's business activities. To hold R-CALF somehow responsible for a handful of members going against the orginization's policy would be the same as holding the Republican party responsible for a member getting an abortion or holding the Democrat party responsible for a member buying a pistol at a gun show. :roll:

This latest attempt to discredit R-CALF is just as comical as BMR trying to paint them as antagonists to Creekstone. You folks are tinkling upwind. :lol:

Attempt to discredit R-Calf? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

They continue to do a fine job of that on their own. We only have to point it out the instances.

Without a doubt there were R-Clan members buying cattle in Canada and trying to benefit from an ineveitable border re-opening and got caught in their hypocracy. :roll: :roll: The one good thing that came out of it all is that it stopped Leo and Lloyd from sending bulls up here. :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[Anonymous]

Probably gave many from the states that used to buy bulls in Canada a lesson too--Can't trust the Canucks- if they are going to pick and choose by politics who can and can't do business in their country- and can legally discriminate for those reasons :wink: ......

 

[don]

ot: if they are going to pick and choose by politics who can and can't do business in their country-

kind of like who can run the ports. lol.

 

[Econ101]

Oh, terrorism and politics would never mix!!! :shock: :shock:

Tam:

Econ You think I should work around R-CALF LIES so why can't you work around Tyson they are only one of the packers producers can sell their cattle to, not the ONLY PACKER. Besides most doubt you even have anything to do with the Cattle industry that in itself should make it eazy for you to work around them. If you have evidence of them doing what you claim they are, then do something about it by taking it to the authorities.

Tam, sometimes they are the only packer. What makes you think I haven't brought forth the evidence, Tam? Seems all you can do is brown nose packers and rant about rcalf and Leo, not matter what the packers are doing.

 

[Anonymous]

ot: if they are going to pick and choose by politics who can and can't do business in their country-

kind of like who can run the ports. lol.

Yep- And if you keep letting the sheetheads in, you'll probably have more than the UAE- then we'll have to build bigger forts south of Tams place. Thing is we don't need the Arabs to run our ports- the same as we don't need Canadian beef to feed our country....

Canucks wanted (cryed for) the US dollar but then bitched when it was the wrong persons dollar- tells me a lot about them......Definitely a good reminder to many that we are two seperate countries- and whats good for one may not be good for the other- and they play the game for whats best for them- same as we should for us......

 

[agman]

What is your problem with the Packers ECON why do you hate them so much and can't you work around it being you aren't a producer or are you? :???:

Tam, it is not all packers. Just ones that exert market power and political influence to get away with it. It cheats the little guy out of the producer surplus.

and...What evidence have YOU ever presented on your own, not from heresay, to support your claim? You constantly make these absurd accusations without ever providing support. Don't waste your time on the Taylor's nonsense submitted in the Pickett case.

 

[Tam]

Oh, terrorism and politics would never mix!!! :shock: :shock:

Tam:

Econ You think I should work around R-CALF LIES so why can't you work around Tyson they are only one of the packers producers can sell their cattle to, not the ONLY PACKER. Besides most doubt you even have anything to do with the Cattle industry that in itself should make it eazy for you to work around them. If you have evidence of them doing what you claim they are, then do something about it by taking it to the authorities.

Tam, sometimes they are the only packer. What makes you think I haven't brought forth the evidence, Tam? Seems all you can do is brown nose packers and rant about rcalf and Leo, not matter what the packers are doing.

Econ there is far more than one Federally inspected plant in Canada not to mention the Provincially inspected ones so if a producer decides to deal with Tyson that is Their BUSINESS NOT YOURS. And the same can be said about the US producers there is no gun to their heads to deal with TYSON. There are lots of other plants to sell their cattle to if they think Tyson is to big.

 

[Econ101]

What is your problem with the Packers ECON why do you hate them so much and can't you work around it being you aren't a producer or are you? :???:

Tam, it is not all packers. Just ones that exert market power and political influence to get away with it. It cheats the little guy out of the producer surplus.

and...What evidence have YOU ever presented on your own, not from heresay, to support your claim? You constantly make these absurd accusations without ever providing support. Don't waste your time on the Taylor's nonsense submitted in the Pickett case.

Agman, I am way too smart to think that ANYTHING presented to packer backers like Tam, Jason, you, SH, MRJ, or some others would even matter even if it was signed off by St. Peter. The little clown show you have going on this board is just for fun.

As far as what I want to spend my time on, IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, as Tam is fond of saying.

Go ask Hausman (sp?) if the 750/hr is worth his reputation when and if the calculations get out of the court order. Have you asked for the transcripts to be released yet, or do we just have to take your "expert" opinion? You and Tyson have made enough money off of these frauds against producers.