How on earth can you still ask how the packers have gained by the closed border Sandhusker. Wait a minute, there have been losses. Losses to the ones down the ladder from Cargill and Tyson that is. Or do you want to take old Scotty's stand and say that Tyson lost money due to the closed border as well? I hate to resort back to personal attacks to try to get a point across Sandhusker - you must understand mustn't you? Have you been watching any of the goings on on the north side of the 49th? Good grief man, Cargill and Tyson have taken control of the beef and soon the cattle industry because of BSEconomics. You and good old Oldtimer keep saying that Canadian producers let them do it - well for goodness sakes  - Rcalf helped them do it. Get off the border thing - you are wrong in saying that it is helping American producers and you are wrong in saying that it hurt the packers, unless you are talking of any competition for the two packers that you, my friend, should fear the most.