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Unknown Ailment

rekots

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What is the trouble with a cow that gets down in her front quarters and has problem getting up? She is 3 years old and 5 months pregnant.
Five of the cows have this ailment.

Peggy&Bill
 
We took the first cow that came down with this to the Vet. He gave her a shot and said he had no idea what is causing the weakness. We have talked to several Vets and some think maybe it is a mineral deficiency.
The Wilmon Love Grass that they were on was fertilized early spring and very little rain since. Maybe they ate too much fertilizer??

Bill and Peggy
 
A cal-phos imbalance can cause crazy things. Even zinc to copper in the wrong ratio can. I knew a rancher who had these problems and when I looked at his mineral tag--he had it mixed at a local feed store--there was no zinc in it. I asked him about that, and he said the feed store was out
of zinc. He had something similar happen to his cattle that fall and I really believe it was due to their being copper in the mineral and no zinc. I have no idea why the feed store even dared mix and sell it without zinc.

What mineral are you feeding and what is the analysis? Maybe that will shed some light on this. List the ingredients if you can and we'll take
a look.

Another thing, are you feeding wheat hay at this time, or any grain hay?
Cattle can get what is known as winter tetnany, acts like grass tetnany
but occurs when cattle are on grain type hay which contains more phos
than grass or alfalfa hay. Cattle fed solely grain hay need a different type
of mineral; one with less phos so that they will eat it and get the traces they need. Phos is a limiter--cattle won't over eat it--therefore the reason for lower phos mineral.

So again, what are they eating or being fed? Important that we know this.
Remember, vets are vets, they aren't nutritionist, so he may have missed what they are consuming.

I am anxious to know the zinc to copper ratio.
 
The cows have been on WilmonLove Grass. Now they are being fed
12 - 12 -12 loose minerals. No hay.
My husband is at the ranch now and I don't know the exact answer to the
questions. He plans to put out mineral tubs tomorrow hoping this will help.

Thank you for the replies!

Peggy
 
I don't know where you are located and it might be different there,
but most places 12-12-12 mineral is not recommended. The cows
won't eat enough of it because phos is bitter. When they don't eat the
required amount, they don't get the trace minerals they need.

What does the manufacturer recommend and how much are they eating?
That could certainly shed some light on what is going on.
Most minerals are recommended at 3-4 oz. day. They may eat more at
times and less at times, but for the year they should be at this 3-4 oz.
per head per day.

I am anxious to hear the copper to zinc ratio.

I also have never heard of Wilmon LoveGrass. I assume this is a tame grass. Have you ever taken a grass sample to find out what is in it?
 
The ranch is in Lohn, Texas (I know, noone has ever heard of Lohn, Texas). Close to Brady, Texas (Brady is in 'The Heart of Texas' Central TX).
The cows have been on the 12-12-12 loose minerals for a few days and they will eat the minerals with cubes scattered in.
 
Not telling you what to do, but if you buy a 2-1 (cal to phos) mineral
it will save you money and the cows will eat it better. Why put
pellets in with the mineral so they will eat it? For one thing, there is
no way of knowing how much mineral they are getting.

Next time you buy mineral, try a different ratio. That's my recommendation. Most nutritionists do not recommend 1:1 mineral
which is what you are buying. It's an old, old formula. Based on the NRC I can't believe that some feed stores are still selling 1:1 mineral. 2:1 or
even 3:1 and higher (up to 7 to 1) is the recommendation. Never, ever feed mineral that is higher in phos than calcium.

I wonder if what you are seeing is a PHOSPHORUS deficiency.
12-12-12 mineral won't help this because it is bitter and they won't
eat the recommended amount. Remember, cattle don't eat percents,
they eat GRAMS.

Hope this helps!
 

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