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Have you met with the Japanese yet? You were in meetings with the Japanese and they told you that BSE testing isn't the only hold up? Obviously SRM removal isn't enough for them. What else is holding up over 20 month cattle from being shipped into Japan? If there are other reasons, please enlighten us.

So why is it that the Japanese can test for $40/animal and its going to cost us $100? I ask for evidence. I'm sorry, but I don't believe in blindly following government agencies, especially when I see other countries and companies doing things for less money. Another example, Creekstone - $20/animal WITH THE SAME TEST AS THE CFIA USES. Why can Creekstone test for $20 while the CFIA is $100?

You'd best have your memory checked Tam. Do you read any of the other threads on here? Did you read the 24 page study that Mike posted that showed that Japanese consumers wanted BSE Tested beef? Perhaps my opinions are just that, but they are based with sound facts and more than just the ramblings of someone from the CFIA.

Do you honestly believe everything that government agencies tell you? Haven't the number of government screw ups taught you to examine everything with a critical eye? GigaText ring any bells? How about CAIS? 12 years ago SaskTel sold all their mainframe computing power to Westbridge (now ISM), then rented space on those very same mainframes for THREE times what they were originally paying for maintenance and upkeep. They finally went out and bought more computing power again, since they couldn't afford to pay for the rented mainframe space. And the list goes on and on. With the track record of our government (both provincial and federal), I tend to take everything they say with a grain of salt and look for independent confirmation. In testing over 20 month animals, I've got more outside confirmation than I can shake a stick at, PLUS I've got 85% of the producers who say YEAH, lets do it. Its our industry. If the CFIA is going to get in the way, then they're in for a hell of a fight.

Where did I say you were taking the side of the multinationals? All I said is that the multinationals have ways to get beef into Japan from other countries, so they don't need to worry about Canadian beef. And keeping our over 30 month animals within Canada is also helping them.

What precendent? Allowing companies to test whatever the heck they want to test? Is everyone afraid that eventually the consumers in Canada and the US will wise up and start asking for testing too? I say GOOD. Force lacadasical government agencies to start earning their keep, and start really proctecting the people. Research BSE. Force the CFIA to become truly efficient so that it doesn't cost us $100/animal to test, but rather the proven $40 that Japan has to spend. While I doubt Creekstone's estimate of $20, perhaps they can indeed do it. In which case the CFIA had better find out how. I expect my government and the agencies in which my future is invested to be the absolute best they can be.

Rod

<blockquote data-quote="DiamondSCattleCo" data-source="post: 114809" data-attributes="member: 836">Have you met with the Japanese yet?&nbsp; You were in meetings with the Japanese and they told you that BSE testing isn&#039;t the only hold up?&nbsp; Obviously SRM removal isn&#039;t enough for them.&nbsp; What else is holding up over 20 month cattle from being shipped into Japan?&nbsp; If there are other reasons, please enlighten us.So why is it that the Japanese can test for $40/animal and its going to cost us $100?&nbsp; I ask for evidence.&nbsp; I&#039;m sorry, but I don&#039;t believe in blindly following government agencies, especially when I see other countries and companies doing things for less money.&nbsp; Another example, Creekstone - $20/animal WITH THE SAME TEST AS THE CFIA USES.&nbsp; Why can Creekstone test for $20 while the CFIA is $100?You&#039;d best have your memory checked Tam.&nbsp; Do you read any of the other threads on here?&nbsp; Did you read the 24 page study that Mike posted that showed that Japanese consumers wanted BSE Tested beef?&nbsp; Perhaps my opinions are just that, but they are based with sound facts and more than just the ramblings of someone from the CFIA.Do you honestly believe everything that government agencies tell you?&nbsp; Haven&#039;t the number of government screw ups taught you to examine everything with a critical eye?&nbsp; GigaText ring any bells?&nbsp; How about CAIS?&nbsp; 12 years ago SaskTel sold all their mainframe computing power to Westbridge (now ISM), then rented space on those very same mainframes for THREE times what they were originally paying for maintenance and upkeep.&nbsp; They finally went out and bought more computing power again, since they couldn&#039;t afford to pay for the rented mainframe space.&nbsp; And the list goes on and on.&nbsp; With the track record of our government (both provincial and federal), I tend to take everything they say with a grain of salt and look for independent confirmation.&nbsp; In testing over 20 month animals, I&#039;ve got more outside confirmation than I can shake a stick at, PLUS I&#039;ve got 85% of the producers who say YEAH, lets do it.&nbsp; Its our industry.&nbsp; If the CFIA is going to get in the way, then they&#039;re in for a hell of a fight.Where did I say you were taking the side of the multinationals?&nbsp; All I said is that the multinationals have ways to get beef into Japan from other countries, so they don&#039;t need to worry about Canadian beef.&nbsp; And keeping our over 30 month animals within Canada is also helping them.What precendent?&nbsp; Allowing companies to test whatever the heck they want to test?&nbsp; Is everyone afraid that eventually the consumers in Canada and the US will wise up and start asking for testing too?&nbsp; I say GOOD.&nbsp; Force lacadasical government agencies to start earning their keep, and start really proctecting the people.&nbsp; Research BSE.&nbsp; Force the CFIA to become truly efficient so that it doesn&#039;t cost us $100/animal to test, but rather the proven $40 that Japan has to spend.&nbsp; While I doubt Creekstone&#039;s estimate of $20, perhaps they can indeed do it.&nbsp; In which case the CFIA had better find out how.&nbsp; I expect my government and the agencies in which my future is invested to be the absolute best they can be.Rod</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DiamondSCattleCo, post: 114809, member: 836"] Have you met with the Japanese yet? You were in meetings with the Japanese and they told you that BSE testing isn't the only hold up? Obviously SRM removal isn't enough for them. What else is holding up over 20 month cattle from being shipped into Japan? If there are other reasons, please enlighten us. So why is it that the Japanese can test for $40/animal and its going to cost us $100? I ask for evidence. I'm sorry, but I don't believe in blindly following government agencies, especially when I see other countries and companies doing things for less money. Another example, Creekstone - $20/animal WITH THE SAME TEST AS THE CFIA USES. Why can Creekstone test for $20 while the CFIA is $100? You'd best have your memory checked Tam. Do you read any of the other threads on here? Did you read the 24 page study that Mike posted that showed that Japanese consumers wanted BSE Tested beef? Perhaps my opinions are just that, but they are based with sound facts and more than just the ramblings of someone from the CFIA. Do you honestly believe everything that government agencies tell you? Haven't the number of government screw ups taught you to examine everything with a critical eye? GigaText ring any bells? How about CAIS? 12 years ago SaskTel sold all their mainframe computing power to Westbridge (now ISM), then rented space on those very same mainframes for THREE times what they were originally paying for maintenance and upkeep. They finally went out and bought more computing power again, since they couldn't afford to pay for the rented mainframe space. And the list goes on and on. With the track record of our government (both provincial and federal), I tend to take everything they say with a grain of salt and look for independent confirmation. In testing over 20 month animals, I've got more outside confirmation than I can shake a stick at, PLUS I've got 85% of the producers who say YEAH, lets do it. Its our industry. If the CFIA is going to get in the way, then they're in for a hell of a fight. Where did I say you were taking the side of the multinationals? All I said is that the multinationals have ways to get beef into Japan from other countries, so they don't need to worry about Canadian beef. And keeping our over 30 month animals within Canada is also helping them. What precendent? Allowing companies to test whatever the heck they want to test? Is everyone afraid that eventually the consumers in Canada and the US will wise up and start asking for testing too? I say GOOD. Force lacadasical government agencies to start earning their keep, and start really proctecting the people. Research BSE. Force the CFIA to become truly efficient so that it doesn't cost us $100/animal to test, but rather the proven $40 that Japan has to spend. While I doubt Creekstone's estimate of $20, perhaps they can indeed do it. In which case the CFIA had better find out how. I expect my government and the agencies in which my future is invested to be the absolute best they can be. Rod [/QUOTE]

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