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What a cruel and expensive way to treat unwanted horses....

Liberty Belle

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Why don't they just shoot these horses instead of making them suffer by confining them like this and wasting millions of taxpayer dollars to keep them locked up?

Proposed wild horse holding facilities criticized
By The Associated Press | Monday, May 11, 2009


RENO, Nev. -- Federal land managers have announced plans for two more long-term holding facilities for wild horses, a move criticized by animal advocates who say it will leave more mustangs in permanent captivity than on the range.

The U.S. Bureau of Land Management is soliciting bids for the facilities that would together hold up to 6,000 mustangs because existing ones are full, agency spokeswoman JoLynn Worley said.

The new facilities also are needed because the BLM plans further roundups of excess horses that roam the open range in Nevada and nine other Western states, Worley said.

The agency offers the horses for adoption, but those too old or considered unadoptable are sent to long-term pasture facilities located primarily in the Midwest.

"Some of the current facilities hold a large number of horses and we need more space," Worley said.

Horse defenders criticized the agency, saying the plans will lead to more horses in corrals than on the range.

The plans also violate the spirit of a 1971 law enacted by Congress to protect the animals, said Matt Rossell, Northwest coordinator of the San Rafael, Calif.-based animal rights group In Defense of Animals.

"It's tragic. It's not the right solution," Rossell said. "When Congress passed the act, it didn't intend for wild horses to be stuck in these long-term facilities. We believe the BLM should look at ways to protect them in the wild and end the roundups."

BLM officials estimate 36,000 wild horses and burros roam the range, 9,400 more than what they deem to be the "appropriate management level." Off the range, nearly 32,000 of the animals are in either short- or long-term facilities. Nevada is home to about half of the wild horses.

Karen Sussman, president of the International Society for the Protection of Mustangs and Burros based in Lantry, S.D., said she thinks major roundups in recent years may have already led to more horses in holding facilities than on the range.

Since 2001, more than 79,000 horses and burros have been removed from the range while more than 47,000 have been adopted, according to the BLM.

"What the BLM wants to do means the destruction of wild horses on public land," Sussman said. "They should not remove one more horse from public lands because 75 percent of the herds out there right now have less than viable populations."

BLM spokesman Tom Gorey said the 1971 act charges the agency with managing and protecting the living symbols of the Western spirit while ensuring that their numbers are in balance with other rangeland uses.

"To achieve this balance, the BLM must remove thousands of animals from the range each year to control the size of herds, which have virtually no predators and can double in population every four years," he said in a statement.

BLM officials said last summer that one option for controlling the population was euthanasia. Horse advocates have urged the agency to step up birth control instead.

A recent Government Accountability Office report said the BLM this year will spend about $27 million caring for the animals. Continuing current practices would require a budget of $58 million next year, escalating to $77 million in 2012.

The report also noted that euthanasia, though unpalatable, is authorized under current law as a way to dispose of excess animals.

Last month, a House committee passed legislation that would prohibit the killing of healthy wild horses and burros to control their populations on federally managed lands.

"(A ban on euthanasia) won't increase the number of gathers," the BLM's Worley said. "But it'll increase the number of horses we care for in long-term holding."

http://rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2009/05/11/news/top/doc4a08424f6cf8b712921051.txt
 
Because it's ok to do away with babies, but not horses.
We live in a sad and mislead world when a human life is easier to end than that of a horse. As a horse lover I would much rather see the horses slaughtered than spend the rest of their lives penned up. I think that is such a cruel end for any wild critter. So much could be done with the meat from the wild horses! I understand that people here in the U.S. have issues with horse meat being eaten but ( I'm quoting a newspaper headline I read this week) with the worlds starving pop. reaching the 1 BILLION mark, it's sad to see them not get used for some good. I mean lets get real here if you were honestly 100% starving would you turn down a steak, a roast, etc...I know I sure wouldn't, putting food on the table for my family would be # 1. I wouldn't care if it was horse or hound dog! Even without human consumption of the meat, just think of the impact donating or selling it at a reduced rate would have on our U.S. zoos! Lions,tigers and bears...oh my..(lol I had to add that) eat ALOT. Zoos spend a great deal of money keeping them fed. Think of how much nicer the enclosures for the critters could be in the zoos if they could cut out a chunk out of the fed bill! There are also all sorts of wildlife rehab centers that would gladly take a few sides of horse to feed their critters and in the long run the horse would be helping to "save our planet" by helping other critters. Think of the impact the taxpayers $$ would have on our school systems, our roads, our cities and towns!
A recent Government Accountability Office report said the BLM this year will spend about $27 million caring for the animals. Continuing current practices would require a budget of $58 million next year, escalating to $77 million in 2012.
Ok thats not a OMG amount when it comes to gov. but it is to me! and it would be to my small town schools, to our police force, to our 1st responders( vol. fire and rescue) Even a slice of that 27-77 million dollar pie would help many people and places. With congress rewriting every other bill/act/and law out there. Doesn't anyone think it may be time to give this outdated 1970's law a makeover. We all know there is no way the BLM is going to say ..Sorry but this land is for the horses only..no other grazing will be allowed..nor should they say this! But since they have to keep the numbers in check with other rangeland uses. There has got to be a better way then locking them up. I do understand that a range can only support a given number of critters be it horses,cows,sheep,etc. But I'm only guessing here once you take a unadoptable horse off the range doesn't it's lifespan increase? I mean think about it....you now have a horse who no longer has to keep up with the herd, doesn't have to graze but just stand to be fed(pasture vs. rangeland), gets wormings and hoof care ( even if it is once or twice a year that still gives them an advantage over the " in the wild horses". I'm also guessing that not all of these unadoptable horses are old. I'm sure some are just rank as a wild horse needs to be to live in the wild, some are so inbred that they have phys. issues, some are just injured/lame horses. So with that in mind...if you even say half of the them in pens are under 10 thats a CRAZY long time to support a useless critter. Now don't get me wrong as horse lovers I think most of us have had 1-2 maybe a few more...horses that we have loved,used and let live out it's days under our care but I don't know to many ranchers/horse lovers that would dream of supporting 10 useless horses for 10+ years..let alone the thousands the gov. wants us to support. It's just a waste..a waste of taxpayer $$, a waste of horses, a waste of thousands of LBS of meat...a waste of time.

Sorry all I'm off my soapbox :wink: I just find it sad and confusing.
 
Chickshunt2:
Stay on your soapbox!! What you posted was very articulate and RIGHT on the money!
I couldn't agree more!
This ban on horse slaughter is the textbook example of what happens when the government takes over the decision making processes from the people!
 
Frisco said:
Chickshunt2:
Stay on your soapbox!! What you posted was very articulate and RIGHT on the money!
I couldn't agree more!
This ban on horse slaughter is the textbook example of what happens when the government takes over the decision making processes from the people!

You both have stated the facts very wisely. It is high time for people to get real and use just a little bit of common sense.
 
As a guy that does'nt live far from Reno and those holding pens i can tell you it's a sad state of affairs,to see all those Mustangs held in those pens.They now let you adopt two for the price of one,but well bred horses are being given away free,so there's little interest in adopting Mustangs these days.Just got a e-mail from a local college kid,asking if i'd be interested in a free mustang.No thanks.
 
I have seen the pens....all I can say is that I had a very hard time keeping myself from crying while we were walking around/through them looking at the horses. I don't care what anyone says...once you lock up something that was wild it looses something...there was no spark in their eyes..they all just seemed numb. Old, lame, deformed/inbred, rank, it doesn't matter they all are wild horses but in there they are wild horses with no spirit, no will, they are just ghost of their former selves. I would rather give each one the shot myself than see them sentenced to a life in the pens.

Just a side note: while we where touring the place the guy with us was very honest about how (his numbers not mine) 10-20% of the horses in the useless pens get there..He said " If you ever get a chance to help on a round up say NO. After meeting you and hearing you talk about horses the way you do, you wouldn't be able to handle it. Many horses get hurt during the round up,sorting and penning of them. They are wild and freak out, they do not want to be locked up let alone locked up by people using choppers,ATVs,etc. And because they are wild they have a very high flight response. Many get hurt while trying to escape being caught, in the chutes, and then once in the pens the "herd" has been disbanded and they have to start all over from scratch fighting it out to get a place in the "new pen herd" and because they are all on edge as it is they tend to fight meaner and harder than they would if they had been left with "their herd" or even just turned out together on another range. At this point in our convo. with the fellow I had to ask him to walk away ( keep walking and talking with the other people, that I needed a min. to recompose myself. ) He took one look at me and before he could say "I'm sorry we can't just leave someone alone out here it's against the rules" He said sure thing, Ma'am and walked off. I do not know if it was the tears welling up in my eyes or the look that I wanted to get sick to my stomach on my face but he broke the rules and left me standing there. I kindly waited for the group of people and him to circle around and start coming back down the other side of the pens to pass me and I slipped back into the group. I wanted to run to my car the sec. they left me, I just wanted out of there but I did not want him to get into any trouble for leaving me alone so I stayed and came back to the main area with the group. I never want to see the pens again...EVER.


As a guy that doesn't live far from Reno and those holding pens i can tell you it's a sad state of affairs,to see all those Mustangs held in those pens.They now let you adopt two for the price of one,but well bred horses are being given away free,so there's little interest in adopting Mustangs these days.Just got a e-mail from a local college kid,asking if I'd be interested in a free mustang.No thanks.
Funny you would say this about well bred horses being offered for free. I just took home a awesomely bred 4 y/o Morgan mare. To be 100% honest dollar wise I could never have touched her bloodlines. She is show bred top and bottom to some of the best that the Morgan world has seen. It just goes to show ya what state the market is in..when I can walk out of the barn with her for free. Nothing wrong with her other then she is a bit on the smaller side...Shes not the 15H+ horse they have to have for the breed shows... :roll: perfect for a nice working horse/trail mount! :D Perfect for me!
 

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