Yes Tumbleweed,  Paul told me about some of his cows he has/had out with other ranchers. He does seem to try and stick with his ideas pretty well. He knew the cattle he had purchased from us before he bought them, and knew that they would do what he wanted. I guess he had been keeping the bull calves they raised for his own sires. He does have a lot of ideas about things, but the problem is that he has so much going on at a time upstairs, and maybe I don't process information that speedy. :wink: 

I think our cattle will hold their own as far as wintering on little supplement, and still raising a good calf and breeding back. Later calving helps a lot with this IMO. Our winter bill has been very reasonable so far this winter. Some of our cows have less than 15 dollars/hd. invested into them besides the pasture they are on.