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Sandbag, you are either incredibly stupid or you take some kind of personal satisfaction in acting like you are incredibly stupid just to get under my skin which only serves to mislead those folks who are actually trying to learn something here.   You decide but either way it's sick and it's wrong and it really getting old.


You should know that "TYSON'S CATTLE NEEDS" is not an exact number if you knew anything at all about the packing industry.  Sometimes they buy more cattle than their "AVERAGE" or "NORMAL" WEEKLY NEEDS (normal chain speeds and normal shift lengths) which are transferred for slaughter to the following week.  THEIR NEEDS ARE NOT AN EXACT NUMBER FOR A SPECIFIC WEEK ONLY nor can they determine exactly how many cattle they will be able to buy at a certain price.  They have to have willing sellers and the flexibility to work with what they do or do not get bought.


You packer blamers criticized Tyson for having more cattle procured than they could slaughter in a week SO OBVIOUSLY YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT THAT THEIR NEEDS ARE SUBJECTIVE but that's asking you to reason and to look at the validity in your own arguments.  I'm quite sure that's asking too much.


When Tyson has MOST of their "NORMAL" WEEKLY needs filled in the formula market, they would naturally drop their price in the cash market to reflect those purchases.  Dropping your price on the balance of your needs to reflect your purchases is a normal supply and demand reaction. Sometimes they have willing sellers and sometimes they don't.  What also becomes obvious is if Tyson has MOST of their WEEKLY needs filled in the formula market, there is less cattle available for Excel and Swift to buy in the cash market.  It should also be obvious that Swift and Excel are in competition with eachother.  If Tyson didn't have willing sellers for the balance of their needs in the cash market and still needed cattle, they could turn right around and raise their bids or they could cut shifts or slow chain speeds reducing profitability. 


If you knew anything about the packing industry at all you would know that "TYSON'S CATTLE NEEDS" is a subjective number dependant on a number of variables which I understand and you obviously don't.


What should also be obvious is that Tyson would not have any need to drop their cash price if all of their needs could be filled in the formula market.  WHY WOULD YOU DROP YOUR PRICE IF YOU DIDN'T NEED OR WANT MORE CATTLE?????   Tyson's needs is also subjective to "PRICE".  It should be common sense that Tyson would need more "PROFITABLE" cattle than unprofitable cattle.


When I said Tyson had their needs filled in the formula market, I MEANT MOST OF THEIR NORMAL WEEKLY NEEDS.  They don't always buy exactly what they need.  Sometimes they buy more and sometimes they buy less.  Those cattle are scheduled for delivery according to the slaughtering schedule. 


Just because they dropped their price in the cash market doesn't mean they didn't buy some cattle in the cash market AFTER THEY DROPPED THEIR CASH BIDS.





What a pathetic spin job.  Your deception has absolutely no bounds.  You put Leo and Bill to shame.  At least they make an attempt to APPEAR honest.  You can't even do that.


I never said that Tyson cannot drop their prices in the cash markets because of the remaining competition.  That's not what I said at all you damn liar.  What I said was Tyson will drop their price in the cash market to reflect their purchases in the formula market.  If they have procured a large number of cattle in the formula market, OBVIOUSLY THEY NEED LESS CATTLE IN THE CASH MARKET.  If they have procured a large number of cattle in the formula market, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS LESS CATTLE AVAILABLE FOR EXCEL AND SWIFT. 


Tyson can still buy cattle in the cash market if their bids are lower than Excel and Swift IF SOMEONE DOESN'T KNOW THAT EXCEL AND SWIFT HAVEN'T LOWERED THEIR BIDS or if the feeder's freight offsets the lower bid.


Do you honestly believe that Tyson, Excel and Swift raise and lower their prices in harmony???  Do you honestly believe that every feeder has the same amount of freight to each of the packers???  Do you honestly believe that Tyson's needs are always the same?





Bullsh*t!  It proves nothing of the kind.  Not every feeder compares Tyson, Excel and Swift bids AT EVERY SINGLE MOMENT.  Not every feeder has the same amount of freight to each of those packers.  Not every packer raises and lowers their bids at the same time.


What will your next spin be you pathetic %!@!@^*?

 


~SH~


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