Who will win ww3

[RoperAB]

Are Carriers a thing of the past?
The German have a new stealth U-Boat that totally undetectable. Can stay submerged for up to two weeks. Totally undetectible even when it launches topedos.
There selling the tech to other nations. Its a cheap rig to at just over a billion bucks.

USS Ronald Reagan
Isnt this a bad idea? By coming out with this new class of carrier areant you making your other carrier fleets obsolete?
Example all some other nation has to do is build one and then they are in an arms race and level playing field with you but you still have all this money in your other carriers.
How vonruble are these carriers to ICBs and the new stealth subs?

You know who can defeat the US air force? The US army. Isnt this stupid? What happens if this missile tech falls into the wrong hands?
Norway has stealth Corvette/Frigate class surface ships right now. If they get a better surface to air missile system everything is going to change.
Honestly im starting to wonder if these expensive carriers are just dinasours?

 

[Cowpuncher]

Do not sell them short.

The carriers have defenses that are amazing. All of our ships have phalynx guns which can shoot down anything that approaches them. In fact, they have been detuned because they were so good they shot up the pieces of missiles after destroying the missle itself. These are 20 mm radar guided cannons that fire so fast they are in areas where no personnel can be near them when they fire.

The F-14 jets were designed to protect surface ships and they are now being replaced by newer aircraft that are more capable.

Far better to have a high dollar carrier which can move around the world as needed rather than land-based facilities where are where they are.

Our military and their contractor counterparts are not sitting still. By the way, our nuclear submarines can (and have) remained submerged for as long as six months. I have several friends that have traversed the North Pole under polar ice in our submarines.

The greatest danger to the US Military is administrations like the Clinton administration that cut defense budgets and ownsized our defenses.

 

[RoperAB]

I still worry about those carriers. It only would make sense that if they cant detect a u boat that they can be sunk by one.
What about these new generation smart mines?
Here is something else, remember pre gulf war #1 and Saddams super gun? I cant help but to think that this Super artillery will be the new future. No kind of missile defence systems is going to be effective against this anytime soon.
About phalynx guns
Why are we not useing them to protect bases in Afghanistan and Iran? Is this a missile defence sytem or is it some kind of flac artillery?
Whats replaceing the Tom Cats? Is the F-22 going to be the be all future fighter? I was kind of guessing that with this new Reagan class carrier that maybe they would be coming out with bigger fighter/bombers with more range since they now have a bigger flight deck to work with?
About the nuclear subs. My understanding is that they are to noisy and anything that can be heard can be destroyed. Thats why nobody is building them anymore. Even old WW2 diesel electric are better now a days.

 

[Cowpuncher]

I think phalynx guns don't work well where there is clutter on the horizon. I asked my marine son why the Isrealis didn't install phalynx guns on their border with Gaza. He said he would find out, but those things are real sensitive. Most of the time, they are turned off so they don't shoot up something they shouldn't.

It may be the F-35 fighter which will replace the Tomcat - not sure.

Our submarines are pretty good - they can run submerged faster than most ships can on the surface. I think they run submerged most of the time because they aren't designed to handle surface wave action real well.

We have a bunch of them that we built during the cold war. When I was in Pearl Harbor a few years back, there must have been 10 or 15 of them tied up at the piers.

Here is one for you. Why, during D-Day didn't the allies use smoke to obliterate the view of Omaha beach from the Germans? I have asked that question and never got an answer. Sure hope it wasn't because they didn't think of it!!

 

[Anonymous]

Here is one for you. Why, during D-Day didn't the allies use smoke to obliterate the view of Omaha beach from the Germans? I have asked that question and never got an answer. Sure hope it wasn't because they didn't think of it!!

I don't think they anticipated the resistance they got-- as the reports they got back from the pre bombing was that all the gun emplacements and pillboxes had been knocked out as they were on some of the other beaches--- which they definitely found out was wrong...But that is a good question- you'd think smoke would have helped...

 

[RoperAB]

I think phalynx guns don't work well where there is clutter on the horizon. I asked my marine son why the Isrealis didn't install phalynx guns on their border with Gaza. He said he would find out, but those things are real sensitive. Most of the time, they are turned off so they don't shoot up something they shouldn't.

It may be the F-35 fighter which will replace the Tomcat - not sure.

Our submarines are pretty good - they can run submerged faster than most ships can on the surface. I think they run submerged most of the time because they aren't designed to handle surface wave action real well.

We have a bunch of them that we built during the cold war. When I was in Pearl Harbor a few years back, there must have been 10 or 15 of them tied up at the piers.

Here is one for you. Why, during D-Day didn't the allies use smoke to obliterate the view of Omaha beach from the Germans? I have asked that question and never got an answer. Sure hope it wasn't because they didn't think of it!!

phalynx guns
You see the problem is they offer no defence against torpedoes or smart mines.

F-35 fighter
I will have to do a web search on this. I never heard of it but gosh almighty the tech is changing so fast that its hard to keep up. Thats what has me wondering how the next big war will be faught. You see carriers havnt really been in a big war since WW2. I cant help but to wonder with all the new tech if they are going to be obsolete like Battleships were in the last big war?
You see thats the thing. War is so different now. With the islamofachist we are never going to see any big naval battles like we did in the past so I guess im worried about nothing.

About Subs or u boats
You see it doesnt matter so much how long they can stay submerged but its all about how quietly they can run submerged. Speed doesnt mean much because no sub can out run airpower and modern airpower can take out any sub <if it can find it>. Or that my weekend paint baller understanding of it.

About D-Day
Maybe wind direction? Really I dont know the answer but it would not surprise me if it was just a screw up. Example look at Dieppe. How many Americans know about the D- Day, North Africa practice run that Louis Mountbatten <British>dreamed up. Man here is one of many examples why its a terrible thing to be commanded by a foreign nation. Part of it was Mountbatten wanted a test run for the comeing Africa , Italy and D-Day invasions. So he sent 6000 Canadian Infantry supported by British Air and Navy into France in a mini d-day run in 1942.
The naval suport was from destroyers which were not big enough to even put a dent in German positions. Plus because of weather the assualt was delayed which tiped off the Germans, so there was no eliment of surprise. Example on the morning of the assualt when the convoy left England they encountered German boats that reported everything so the Nazis knew what was coming. So basically they went right into a trap, plus then after the first waves of men were destroyed on the beach the English kept on sending more Canadians into the slaughter /sacrifice. Plus Mountbatten went ahead with this during low tide if I remember right. The whole thing was about as bad as anything could get. They were doomed from the start . The whole assuat was stupid because they had no intelligence to go by in planning the raid. He just sacrificed the troops blindly.They wernt British men so they didnt care.
You see it was all politics. Stalin was demanding that Churchill start a second front to take pressure off the Soviets on the eastern front. Churchill desperately wanted to keep Stalin into the war so to appease him basically 6000 Canadians were sacrificed in what was one of the biggest , well I dont even know what to call it because it was a planned disaster. But yah know at home, headlines proclaimed success at Dieppe.

 

[RoperAB]

The British just annouced today that they are getting rid of 3/4 of their nuclear subs.
Told yah :wink: they are to noisey