Hard to believe this is actually being proposed in Oregon

[Faster horses]

https://www.tsln.com/news/biting-th...sure-to-criminalize-ranching-hunting-fishing/

 

[Puzzled]

Thanks for putting that article here to read.
That is pretty extreme and would have a huge ripple effect. That has potential to hurt a lot of people.
There are so many other things people need to focus on, to improve life, not make it more difficult.

 

[webfoot]

I think it will go down in flame. I am much more concerned when they just take small bite at a tme. Those kind pass. When they want everything all at once there are too many people affected who will vote it down. So unless the entire state goes vegan before election day this isn't going to pass.

 

[Faster horses]

I think it will go down in flame. I am much more concerned when they just take small bite at a tme. Those kind pass. When they want everything all at once there are too many people affected who will vote it down. So unless the entire state goes vegan before election day this isn't going to pass.

I didn't think it would pass but it was proposed.
So you know it is on their radar for sure.

 

[webfoot]

I didn't think it would pass but it was proposed.
So you know it is on their radar for sure.

Vegans in Portland probably have lots of things on their radar. And the rest of the state knows who they are.

 

[DosArroyos]

Maybe someone smart, on the East side, makes a proposition for the state to be made into West Oregon/East Oregon?

 

[webfoot]

Maybe someone smart, on the East side, makes a proposition for the state to be made into West Oregon/East Oregon?

Lets see, how many times has that been tried? Both Oregon and Washington.

 

[Puzzled]

I don't think it is an East-West issue. There are a lot of people on the west side that would be equally impacted by this ballot measure.
I think it is a matter of those that have not, will always want to take from those that have.
And once the land can no longer produce what it has been producing, it will be irreversable. There are many people who think it is wrong for individuals to own large parcels of land. Some believe in the free to roam. Long term there are endless scenarios that can play out.
But more division may not be the answer.

The people that don't believe these rights can really be taken away, are the ones that may need to vote.

 

[webfoot]

I don't think it is an East - West issue. If one were dividing it geographically it is more of a urban - rural issue. And even that is not exactly correct. But more of this comes from urban areas. And in the case of Oregon the majority of those Urban areas are on the west side. Although we seem to have one which I would call central Oregon that seems to be growing more and more that way.

 

[Faster horses]

I don't think it is an East - West issue. If one were dividing it geographically it is more of a urban - rural issue. And even that is not exactly correct. But more of this comes from urban areas. And in the case of Oregon the majority of those Urban areas are on the west side. Although we seem to have one which I would call central Oregon that seems to be growing more and more that way.

Liberalism is like a virus.

It for sure a mental disease.

 

[Puzzled]

What is interesting is to look at a break down of how people in each county of Oregon are registered. Records for 2024 show that in a lot of the counties that many of us view as rural, the combined totals of registered voters, that fall into the categories of Democrat, Unaffiliated and Other, exceed the number of registered Republicans. That holds true for Douglas County, Coos County, Baker County, Curry County and so on.

 

[Puzzled]

I can remember when the little town I grew up in, basically made a decision as to whether to support the ranching/agriculture or the tourist in making future plans. The Tourist won.

 

[Faster horses]

I can remember when the little town I grew up in, basically made a decision as to whether to support the ranching/agriculture or the tourist in making future plans. The Tourist won.

Some people have lived in town too darn long. They forgot where their food comes from. Silly people.

 

[webfoot]

What is interesting is to look at a break down of how people in each county of Oregon are registered. Records for 2024 show that in a lot of the counties that many of us view as rural, the combined totals of registered voters, that fall into the categories of Democrat, Unaffiliated and Other, exceed the number of registered Republicans. That holds true for Douglas County, Coos County, Baker County, Curry County and so on.

Based on the results of the recent primary election the R's out weigh the D's in Baker county by a significant number. Votes cast R over 3,000. D's cast 900ish. District committee there was people from R running in Baker City and every area through out the county. The D's only had people in Baker City and zero through out the county. Also based on political signs. You will see lots R's and very few D's leading up to elections.
The unaffiliated (independents) added on to the D's might add up to more than the R's. But that is just because they didn't want to be attached to a party. I know of a number of those people (the wife and I included) but the ones who I know are pretty darn conservative and much more likely to vote that way come election time.

 

[mwj]

Conservative and republican are two diferant animals sometimes. I have always been independent.

 

[Puzzled]

How I am registered does not determine how I vote.

I am not picking on Baker County, there are just a few numbers available to look at, but a little over 13,000 total registered voters in Baker County, of which a little over 5000 are registered as Republican and a little under 2000 registered as Democrats, according to 2024 statistics.

I think quite often there is a lack of registered voters who actually vote. I am sure there are Democrats and Independents out there that are involved with Ranching/agriculture that do not support this ballot measure.

 

[webfoot]

I wonder about that 13,000 registered voter when the population of the county is only 16,688. The last census said there was 3,170 under the age of 18.. That would mean pretty much every eligible adult is registered.

 

[Puzzled]

Statistics and surveys can be a bit unreliable. When I assisted with the Census one year, the supervisors insisted people were lying when they said they had no phone. The supervisors insisted there were no vacant houses, they were sure someone was living in them.
So yes the statistics and surveys are only as accurate as the information gathered.

Since you gave approximate numbers of people casting votes, I only used Baker County as an example of how few people actually vote.
The same would hold true for Coos, Curry, Douglas etc.

 

[webfoot]

I did the calculation on how many people voted back during the recent primary. If I remember correctly 47% of the registered voters in Baker county voted. That is a pretty high percentage voting in a primary during a non presidential year.