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$4+ Corn

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Jigs
I was told recently that the big push in this high corn market is the petroleum boys are in there buying grain, trying to break the ethanol business.....

not sure how much of that I believe, but what else will they do with their record profits???




Jigs there is more truth to that than anyone cares to believe. Think about it everyone spends there hard earned money to build it they break the bank and buy it for penny's on the dollar......... :mad: I hate to think of it but it isn't to hard to see that it can and will likely happen...
 
Is anyone buying corn contracts on the board to make a little cash to cover increased feed costs? All you people that think it is going out of the roof should get some futures bought Mon. as soon as the board of trade opens :roll: Do you supose there are one or two feeders that lock in there corn needs at other than ''spot'' price. Do you think that a lot of the corn harvested this past fall was already contracted for well below these ''doom and gloom'' prices?
 
In regards to corn and cattle markets I feel that both can ride the normal cycles of the business but when one or the other are influenced by government policy the a winner is picked and someone else loses.
 
Corn Market Is Now Bigger Issue Than Beef Exports
While issues abound in the industry, the corn market continues to be the biggest story. With USDA's latest crop estimate being lowered to just above 10.5 billion bu., and with carryover stocks falling to 752 million bu., the corn market rallied to historical highs this week. Not surprisingly, feeder cattle and calves moved lower as a result.

The industry is trying to sort out both the short- and long-term ramifications. One can usually learn a lot by looking at history but history doesn't provide much insight into this issue. The last time corn price levels were this high was 1996, but it was a supply-driven market caused by the disappointing 1995 harvest.

That's not the case this time, as we've had three of the largest crops in history -- consecutively, no less. It's a demand-driven market and corn demand is expected to exceed production this year by a significant amount.

Fact is, the overall market structure has changed. With subsidized ethanol, it's difficult to create a scenario where corn will fall much below $3/bu. for quite some time, and the upside risk from that level is much greater than the downside risk.

Today's corn prices unquestionably are sending the signal to increase corn plantings. With corn growers looking conservatively at profits of $200/acre or more for corn, we can expect more acreage in corn than at any time in the last 60 years. What's more, the weather conditions look positive and oil prices are falling. That combination of factors will curtail demand, and feed demand will drop significantly as well, giving the industry an opportunity to rebuild carryover levels.

From a cow-calf perspective, not only does $4 corn devalue the entire inventory significantly, it also creates other problems. Hay stocks are at their lowest levels since 1988, and hay prices are expected to increase as hay ground and water are diverted to grain crops.

In addition, stocker and grazing pressure are expected to increase grass costs, as feeders look to maximize gains outside of the feedyard. The result is a terrible and simultaneous mix of exploding input costs and decreasing revenues.

The bottom line is if corn stays at today's historically high levels for an extended period of time, the industry's short-lived expansion will move into full-blown liquidation. It also poses some interesting dynamics about how the industry might change, from a management, marketing, and even genetic standpoint.

The industry has to form a plan of action and move to address the ethanol issue. Otherwise, a market-distorting government subsidy stands to take away our number-one competitive advantage.

The odds politically look extremely tough to get the ethanol issue based on true economic realities, however. The new Congress is just underway and already there's a plethora of new bills on renewable energy. Many of them attempt to lock in the artificial subsidies permanently and expand the use of ethanol.

Needless to say, these initiatives have the overwhelming support of grain-producing states. And the general public, very receptive to reducing U.S. reliance on Mideast oil, seems willing to pay the price for it. But it's a potentially devastating price the beef industry will have to pay, and we must aggressively take action.

That leaves us in the unenviable position of trying to hammer out a solution -- one where corn prices for the cattle industry are adjusted back to the real-world economic levels that would have occurred had government not intervened in the marketplace. That gets extremely messy and politically challenging.

While there's no simple answer, if we continue to do nothing, our industry will lose a good deal of its competitive advantage and constrict significantly. The effects of this subsidy, and the attempts to escalate it and make it permanent, now have supplanted the restoration of our export markets as the industry's greatest challenge.
-- Troy Marshall
 
Did the cornfarmer cry to the beef people about that cheap corn you have been feeding for the past few years? Did they come to you with there hand out when you took a check for over a $1.50 a lb for your feeders? This mkt. is driven by speculation not fact. Do you think that people are taking delivery of corn to make ethanol with or do you think they are buying ''paper'' in case the PROPOSED plants go on line. If the weather is good for the corn crop next year where do you think they will store it? Corn is a real comodity that can not be used in plants that are not online yet so someone better be building some storage space.
 
As much as I hate to see cattle prices plunge. The corn farmer has taken a beaten for years.. And it takes alot of money to grow corn... What I don't understand is that you get east river and there is pile upon huge piles of corn. Some is not even covered... Who owns this corn??? And why if there is a shortage is this corn not gone..... I think fund buying stinks to high heaven......
 
The manipulation of greed and hope by the futures market is truly a wonder to behold-fortunately what I do on my little slice of heaven doesn't matter a pinch of coonshit in the grand scheme of things so I'll just try and see where the next punch is coming and roll with it.
 
Northern Rancher said:
The manipulation of greed and hope by the futures market is truly a wonder to behold-fortunately what I do on my little slice of heaven doesn't matter a pinch of coonshit in the grand scheme of things so I'll just try and see where the next punch is coming and roll with it.

I like your thinking my calves are all sold and my winters feed was all in last fall so why worry just to worry,any time there are high crop prices the farmer will figure out a way to bring them down..over produce..worldwide
 
Denny said:
Northern Rancher said:
The manipulation of greed and hope by the futures market is truly a wonder to behold-fortunately what I do on my little slice of heaven doesn't matter a pinch of coonshit in the grand scheme of things so I'll just try and see where the next punch is coming and roll with it.

I like your thinking my calves are all sold and my winters feed was all in last fall so why worry just to worry,any time there are high crop prices the farmer will figure out a way to bring them down..over produce..worldwide

you both pretty much sumed up the whole thing. If we treat each bump in the economic road as a disaster we might as well sell out and put the money in cd's at the bank. :roll:
 
Red Robin said:
. If it was my crop, Id sell it then plant it.

Yep contract it at $3.85 plant everything watch it not rain or get hailed out. Meanwhile the cash price of corn goes to $4.10 so you pay $4.10 a bushel to fill a $3.85 contract. I contract "some of my crop but it would be foolish to do it all.
 
Work Hard and Study Hard said:
Red Robin said:
. If it was my crop, Id sell it then plant it.

Yep contract it at $3.85 plant everything watch it not rain or get hailed out. Meanwhile the cash price of corn goes to $4.10 so you pay $4.10 a bushel to fill a $3.85 contract. I contract "some of my crop but it would be foolish to do it all.


well, you are a glass half empty fella huh!
 
Since I'm one of the few farmers in IL that doesn't raise corn to sell I get a kick out of my employer and his sons plus some of our customers who complain about delivering 2.60 or 2.80 or whatever corn and their over bushels makeing a 1.00 over their contract. Of course most are complaining in good fun since when they made those sales it was a dang good idea. Right now there is alot of 2007 and 2008 corn being sold because nobody knows how long this ride is going to last.
 
You generaly enver go broke making a profit,, At least that is what I tell myself when we sold corn and it would go up 5 ot 10 ticks a bushel. Just the way of the world I guess.....
The risk of selling it all right now is things like drought or planting problems could leave you in a world of hurt.. I know my Dad has some irrigated land that he has custom done out in Iowa that is under irrigation and he sold 50% of th crop becasue he can be pretty sure he will get it.. That being said in 93 that field was flooded out for a good part of the year as it is near the Missouri.
 
IL Rancher, I was talking Blackhawk on the Freeport Plant Really is a good thig as I remember the oil embargo of 1973 all too well. The sooner we can tell the mideast oil importer to shove it .......we will all be better off. Couple good ole boys down Mike C's way been running their cars on shine for years. Heard they got into a little trouble when they started drinking it. :lol:
 

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