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> To: Regulatory Analysis and Development
PPD, APHIS, Station 3C71
4700 River Road Unit 118
Riverdale, MD 20737-1238
[email protected]
Re: Docket No. 03-080-1


To the above named agency:

This is regarding Docket No. 03-080-1, the matter
of reopening beef trade with Canada. I am writing to
urge you not to reopen the trade border with Canada.

I understand that USDA has released a proposed rule to
open the border with Canada. This proposed would allow
the importation of certain live cattle, ruminant
products and by-products by designating Canada as a
“minimal BSE risk country.”

How can it be considered
"minimal risk" when we know that there have been two
cases of mad cow in Canada in the last few months?

I currently raise cattle in partership with my father,and I lease cattle pasture to another and am the fifth generation of a cattle
ranching family, which has been primarily a cow/calf
operation. Opening the border will simply increase
consumer fear, hurt the beef industry and beef
consumption, resulting in fewer cattle, and fewer
cattlemen who might want to lease my land.

As a consumer, and my confidence in the beef
supply is gravely shaken. Please STOP trade with
Canada. I also hope that strict rules, laws, or
whatever it takes are implemented to STOP
unconscionable practices such as feeding animal parts
to cattle and slaughering sick ("downer") animals for
food. Such practices make me and a lot of other
consumers wonder when common sense and decency left
the inventory of the big producers and meat packers.

We have trading partners (Japan and Korea, for
example) that want the meat we send to them to be
labeled US product. Now is the perfect time, and we
shouldn't wait, to fully fund country-of-origin
labeling (COOL), because U.S. consumers deserve the
same opportunity as Japan and Korea - the opportunity
to CHOOSE U.S. beef if they (we) so desire.

Also, the closing of the Canadian border and the
corresponding rise of cattle prices in the U.S. just
shows how the Canadian cattle were captive supplies
and were being used to manipulate U.S. cattle markets!
Since the Canadian cattle have stopped coming over
the border, captive supplies have decreased and our
cattle prices have risen.

Since more and more cattle under 30 months of age are
being discovered as BSE positive animals (Japan has
now found two - one at 23 months and one at 21 months
- while Great Britain has found over ten cases under
30 months of age in the last 18 years), and since the
World Organization for Animal health (OIE) does not
consider Canada a “minimal BSE risk country” as APHIS
is proposing (because Canada has not had its feed ban
in place for the required 8-year period), we need our
rules, laws, and trading practices to be updated NOW
to protect our food supplies.
 
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Quote: "Since the Canadian cattle have stopped coming over
the border, captive supplies have decreased and our
cattle prices have risen."


I would love to hear the spitting sputtering explanation for that parroted R-CALF line.


~SH~
 

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HAY MAKER said:
> To: Regulatory Analysis and Development
PPD, APHIS, Station 3C71
4700 River Road Unit 118
Riverdale, MD 20737-1238
[email protected]
Re: Docket No. 03-080-1


To the above named agency:

This is regarding Docket No. 03-080-1, the matter
of reopening beef trade with Canada. I am writing to
urge you not to reopen the trade border with Canada.

I understand that USDA has released a proposed rule to
open the border with Canada. This proposed would allow
the importation of certain live cattle, ruminant
products and by-products by designating Canada as a
“minimal BSE risk country.”

How can it be considered
"minimal risk" when we know that there have been two
cases of mad cow in Canada in the last few months?

I currently raise cattle in partership with my father,and I lease cattle pasture to another and am the fifth generation of a cattle
ranching family, which has been primarily a cow/calf
operation. Opening the border will simply increase
consumer fear, hurt the beef industry and beef
consumption, resulting in fewer cattle, and fewer
cattlemen who might want to lease my land.

As a consumer, and my confidence in the beef
supply is gravely shaken. Please STOP trade with
Canada. I also hope that strict rules, laws, or
whatever it takes are implemented to STOP
unconscionable practices such as feeding animal parts
to cattle and slaughering sick ("downer") animals for
food. Such practices make me and a lot of other
consumers wonder when common sense and decency left
the inventory of the big producers and meat packers.

We have trading partners (Japan and Korea, for
example) that want the meat we send to them to be
labeled US product. Now is the perfect time, and we
shouldn't wait, to fully fund country-of-origin
labeling (COOL), because U.S. consumers deserve the
same opportunity as Japan and Korea - the opportunity
to CHOOSE U.S. beef if they (we) so desire.

Also, the closing of the Canadian border and the
corresponding rise of cattle prices in the U.S. just
shows how the Canadian cattle were captive supplies
and were being used to manipulate U.S. cattle markets!
Since the Canadian cattle have stopped coming over
the border, captive supplies have decreased and our
cattle prices have risen.

Since more and more cattle under 30 months of age are
being discovered as BSE positive animals (Japan has
now found two - one at 23 months and one at 21 months
- while Great Britain has found over ten cases under
30 months of age in the last 18 years), and since the
World Organization for Animal health (OIE) does not
consider Canada a “minimal BSE risk country” as APHIS
is proposing (because Canada has not had its feed ban
in place for the required 8-year period), we need our
rules, laws, and trading practices to be updated NOW
to protect our food supplies.


A consumer? Says he/she raises cattle.

Haymaker, you better study this chart some more:


http://www.imagehosting.us/himages/ihnp-291306.gif
 
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Bull Burger said:
HAY MAKER said:
> To: Regulatory Analysis and Development
PPD, APHIS, Station 3C71
4700 River Road Unit 118
Riverdale, MD 20737-1238
[email protected]
Re: Docket No. 03-080-1


To the above named agency:

This is regarding Docket No. 03-080-1, the matter
of reopening beef trade with Canada. I am writing to
urge you not to reopen the trade border with Canada.

I understand that USDA has released a proposed rule to
open the border with Canada. This proposed would allow
the importation of certain live cattle, ruminant
products and by-products by designating Canada as a
“minimal BSE risk country.”

How can it be considered
"minimal risk" when we know that there have been two
cases of mad cow in Canada in the last few months?

I currently raise cattle in partership with my father,and I lease cattle pasture to another and am the fifth generation of a cattle
ranching family, which has been primarily a cow/calf
operation. Opening the border will simply increase
consumer fear, hurt the beef industry and beef
consumption, resulting in fewer cattle, and fewer
cattlemen who might want to lease my land.

As a consumer, and my confidence in the beef
supply is gravely shaken. Please STOP trade with
Canada. I also hope that strict rules, laws, or
whatever it takes are implemented to STOP
unconscionable practices such as feeding animal parts
to cattle and slaughering sick ("downer") animals for
food. Such practices make me and a lot of other
consumers wonder when common sense and decency left
the inventory of the big producers and meat packers.

We have trading partners (Japan and Korea, for
example) that want the meat we send to them to be
labeled US product. Now is the perfect time, and we
shouldn't wait, to fully fund country-of-origin
labeling (COOL), because U.S. consumers deserve the
same opportunity as Japan and Korea - the opportunity
to CHOOSE U.S. beef if they (we) so desire.

Also, the closing of the Canadian border and the
corresponding rise of cattle prices in the U.S. just
shows how the Canadian cattle were captive supplies
and were being used to manipulate U.S. cattle markets!
Since the Canadian cattle have stopped coming over
the border, captive supplies have decreased and our
cattle prices have risen.

Since more and more cattle under 30 months of age are
being discovered as BSE positive animals (Japan has
now found two - one at 23 months and one at 21 months
- while Great Britain has found over ten cases under
30 months of age in the last 18 years), and since the
World Organization for Animal health (OIE) does not
consider Canada a “minimal BSE risk country” as APHIS
is proposing (because Canada has not had its feed ban
in place for the required 8-year period), we need our
rules, laws, and trading practices to be updated NOW
to protect our food supplies.


A consumer? Says he/she raises cattle.

Haymaker, you better study this chart some more:


http://www.imagehosting.us/himages/ihnp-291306.gif


BB- People that raise beef can't be consumers? :???:
 

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How can it be considered "minimal risk" when we know that there have been two cases of mad cow in Canada in the last few months?
I thought Canada could have 2 per year per million OTM animals, of which we have 5.5 million and still be minimal risk according to the OIE 11 per year

I currently raise cattle in partership with my father,and I lease cattle pasture to another and am the fifth generation of a cattle ranching family, which has been primarily a cow/calf operation.

I thought this was a consumer now I read he is a 5th generation rancher but I guess he is a consumer right Haymaker

Opening the border will simply increase consumer fear, hurt the beef industry and beef consumption, resulting in fewer cattle, and fewer cattlemen who might want to lease my land.

“Simply increase fear” thanks to R-CALF “hurt the beef industry” Thanks to R-CALF “resulting in few cattle and cattlemen who might want to least MY LAND. Again I thought you said this was a CONSUMER Looks to me as if he has something to loss and is out to protect it with what ever will justify the end result.

As a consumer, and my confidence in the beef supply is gravely shaken.

Could this be because of the R-CALF lies?

I also hope that strict rules, laws, or whatever it takes are implemented to STOP unconscionable practices such as feeding animal parts to cattle and slaughering sick ("downer") animals for food. Such practices make me and a lot of other consumers wonder when common sense and decency left the inventory of the big producers and meat packers.

Just what industry does he fear Canada, we’ve had feed ban since 1997 and according to USDA it is robust and has Good compliance too. And Canada doesn’t accept downers for food that is why our three cases didn’t make it into our food chain.

Also, the closing of the Canadian border and the corresponding rise of cattle prices in the U.S. just shows how the Canadian cattle were captive supplies and were being used to manipulate U.S. cattle markets!
The numbers
Cash bought--65.4%

Grid cattle----15.5%
Contract -----8.4%
packer owned-10.7%

Enough said

World Organization for Animal health (OIE) does not consider Canada a “minimal BSE risk country” as APHIS
is proposing

That is strange as the CFIA told the Canadian ranchers that if we didn’t tested 30,000 4Ds to find the true prevalence we would have to test 100 times as many healthy animals or we would loss our minimal risk status according to OIE rules.

we need our rules, laws, and trading practices to be updated NOW to protect our food supplies.

By OUR rules I take it he means US rules. What rules is he talking about the feed ban rules, the SRM removal rule, the no downers in the human food chain rule, the aggressive surveillance rule which one does he mean as I thought the USDA did handle these things it is the US beef industry that is having a problem with the rules and complying to them. As for TRADING PRACTICES the USDA is trying to set rules following the science that the rest of the world seems to believe it is just to bad R-CALF and one Federal Judge think they know more that the OIE’s expert scientists

You got a really live non bias consumer here Haymaker :roll:
 
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Bull Burger said:
Oldtimer said:
BB- People that raise beef can't be consumers?


Come on Oldtimer, you must realize that 97% of beef consumers do NOT raise cattle or lease pasture.


BB


Last I looked I produced and I consumed.....
 

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Oldtimer said:
Last I looked I produced and I consumed.....


OT, that's true. But you R-CALFers need to understand that "consumers who are ALSO producers" are way different than the "consumers" who we target the vast majority of our production to. If you don't understand this difference, there is no need for this discussion.
 

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Bull Burger said:
Oldtimer said:
Last I looked I produced and I consumed.....


OT, that's true. But you R-CALFers need to understand that "consumers who are ALSO producers" are way different than the "consumers" who we target the vast majority of our production to. If you don't understand this difference, there is no need for this discussion.

And MR BOOL BOOGER if you dont under stand that Texas is full of ranchers that are consumers you need to read more and post less...............good luck PS where did you come from and when are you going back?
 

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01/02/2004 05:37 PM


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Subject:
Docket No. 03-080-1






To: Regulatory Analysis and Development
PPD, APHIS, Station 3 C71
4700 River Road Unit 11Riverdale, MD 20737-1238


As cow/calf producers, we are VERY concerned about the APHIS`s proposed reopening of the Canadian border to live cattle and beef products, especially now, inlight of the BSE infected cow found Dec 23 , in the US , wearing a Canadian tag. We are concerned that APHIS-USDA wants to re-open the border because, in their view, these Canadian BSE cases are a North American problem. This is NOT a North American issue, it is two
seporate issues. Us and Canada.

It is an absolute insult to us and our industry to state otherwise, and we highly oppose any action that threatens the health of the UNITED STATES cattle herds and tarnishes our reputation as UNITED STATES cattle producers.

Not only by opening the Canadian border, we as producers are exposed to BSE (obviously) but also creating a captive supply of continuous beef/live cattle which is and has been used aginst our domestic supply to lower and minipulate our US cattle markets. Sence the Canadian Cattle stopped being imported over the boarder, Captive supplies have decreased, and our Cattle prices rose dramatically. Simple elimantry math.

With BSE discovered and that the animal was fortunately wearing a canadian tag for quick identification and origin, WHAT MORE PROOF do you need thatimplementing country of origin labeling should be manditory--not only for the reputation of the US cattle industry, but for the choice and protection of the U S consumer. Japan and Korea, our two main trade partners have made it perfectly clear they want US beef only, and labeled as such.
Please consider the above,


Leo and Rm Astleford
White River SD

USDA is suposed to stand for United States Department of Ag, not North American:
 

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HAY MAKER said:
Bull Burger said:
Oldtimer said:
Last I looked I produced and I consumed.....


OT, that's true. But you R-CALFers need to understand that "consumers who are ALSO producers" are way different than the "consumers" who we target the vast majority of our production to. If you don't understand this difference, there is no need for this discussion.

And MR BOOL BOOGER if you dont under stand that Texas is full of ranchers that are consumers you need to read more and post less...............good luck PS where did you come from and when are you going back?



Uh....OK, Haymaker, just slowly put the lid on and back away from the desk. Have someone help you to the recliner. :)



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OK MR BOOGER IM game maybe you can explain the difference between a consumer and a consumer producer?And be careful because a lot of these Texas house wife consumers that you think are NAIVE probably know more about cattle than you do................good luck PS WHERE DID YOU COME FROM AND WHEN ARE YOU GOING BACK?
 

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OK MR BOOGER IM game maybe you can explain the difference between a consumer and a consumer producer?And be careful because a lot of these Texas house wife consumers that you think are NAIVE probably know more about cattle than you do................good luck PS WHERE DID YOU COME FROM AND WHEN ARE YOU GOING BACK?

Facts from: http://www.ers.usda.gov/statefacts/TX.htm

Rural Texas Population(2003): 2,946,740
Rural Texas Ave Income2002: $21,847

Rural Texas Available $'s: $64 billion

Urban Texas Population(2003): 19,171,769
Urban Texas Population(2002): $31,160

Urban Texas Available $'s: $597 billion


Thats just Texas. Do the math yourself on the US as a whole.

http://www.ers.usda.gov/StateFacts/US.htm


Do we need to target the rural people with a home-raised beef in the freezer or the $ :) urban :) $ population?



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Do we need to target the rural people with a home-raised beef in the freezer or the $ urban $ population?


This is what gets me about the check-off. More ads in livestock magazines than in the ones that would reach the others.
 

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The numbers would have one to believe your point of veiw,but I still say these Texans are ranch wise just because they live and work in town dont make them naive,lots of kids from the family farm took town jobs when packers started manipulating the markets................good luck PS what part of the beef buisness are you involved in packing?
 

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HAY MAKER said:
OK MR BOOGER IM game maybe you can explain the difference between a consumer and a consumer producer?And be careful because a lot of these Texas house wife consumers that you think are NAIVE probably know more about cattle than you do................good luck PS WHERE DID YOU COME FROM AND WHEN ARE YOU GOING BACK?

Consumer means a person who uses goods or services to satisfy his needs.

Producer means one who produces good and services for sale

Consumer Producer is a person that uses HIS goods to satisfy his own needs while making a living off selling the product to others.

if the demand falls the consumer beneifits as the price falls and he doesn't have to pay as much out of his paycheck to buy the goods and services he needs .

If demand falls it hurts the producer as the price will also go down to stablize the fall in demand. resulting in the price for his raw product (cattle) to drop.

Now tell me what consumer producer wouldn't be willing to pay a little extra knowing that millions of non producers will also be paying a little extra out of their paychecks to cover the price he gets for your cattle? By titling this a CONSUMERS Opinion you made it look as if this person have no investment to protect which is what a consumer producer has.
 

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