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A few random thoughts on the topics at hand

Soapweed

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It seems that "all natural" (whatever that is :? ) products are being touted as being so much better than the "stuff you buy in grocery stores." My first reaction is that perhaps most of the people in our modern society have just never been hungry enough to appreciate our wonderful supply of darned good food.

I grew up in the 1950's when things weren't quite as spiffy as what we have it today. We always had a couple milk cows, and I did become fairly accomplished in the art of milking and turning the cream separator. My mother grew up on a Minnesota farm, but was never much of an outdoor person. She tried a garden for a year or two in her early married life, but she hated snakes so bad that she was not able to give growing vegetables proper attention. :roll: As my dad didn't particularly care for garden fresh items, he never really encouraged her along those lines. My mother was a fantastic cook, but didn't had much luck in making bread. Neither she nor my dad particularly liked "home-made" bread anyway, so our family grew up on Old Home brand white bread available in any grocery store. This is still my bread of choice.

Both of my parents always preferred margarine to home-made butter, and that preference has carried on to me. Some of that old rancid stuff that some of our neighbors called "butter" still sends shivers down my spine. Once in a while, if a good fat cow broke a leg or something, my dad would butcher this grass-fat beef to be used by our family. It never ever measured up to grain-fed beef in my book.

The first half of my life I just about couldn't stand fried chicken. Usually the old hens that someone fried and fixed for potluck dinners just didn't pan out all that great. You know, now I rather enjoy Swanson and Banquet brand store-bought fried chicken. McDonald's fast food white-meat chicken mcnuggets are also very good.

As far as there being more honesty and integrity in local butcher shops rather than the big bad evil corporations, that is subject to the people involved. There were plenty of stories in the old days about unscrupulous local butchers who leaned on the back side of their scales when selling meat. It was often inferred that butchers never bought any of their own beef, instead they just took a package or two of meat from each of their customers.

The food supply of our nation gets blamed on the obesity that some of our citizens have. Duh....too much food equates to too much fat. Has anyone ever heard of self-control? Too much food rather than the wrong type is the problem. Instead of going through the drive-through, park the vehicle and walk across the lot and clear up to the counter to order. At least there would be a little bit of exercise involved that would burn off a few extra calories.

I, for one, am very happy with the wonderful food supplies that both the USA and Canada have so readily available. We are nations that are truly blessed. I admire and encourage the entrepeneurs who are filling niche markets with their home-grown "all natural" food products. It would just be more admirable if these products could be promoted without trying to make everything else look less than desirable.
 
Well I agree also. And on another note I don't think Walmart is an evil company. Very successful which in turn makes people jealous and angry. Sure they make it tough on the mom and pop stores but those same stores have been gougeing their customer for generations.I was at walmart last tuesday a local store owner was there buying all sorts of products the one that sticks with me is the big 1/2 pound Hersheys candy bars $1.50 each well thursday I stopped at his store and bought a can of pop for 80 cents there were those candy bar's marked up to $2.99 nothing like a fuel and freight surcharge..

I absolutely dislike grassfed beef. These guys who peddle their own beef are hard workers thats for sure I have no desire to be a butcher or a grocer if I did I'd just hire on at Walmart or a bigger grocery store near here.Knowing my customer really is'nt a big deal to me. I've sold some ground beef before and most people want it for $2 a pound figure that out A $400 butcher cow and a $300 butcher bill 80 miles to go pick it up and haul it home up the front steps thru the house down the steps and into the freezer then bring me up 20 pounds every few weeks no thanks.I've got an easy $800 tied up in the ground beef off one old kill cow which I know is'nt more than 400#s
 
Well soap the essence of the posts you may be referring to is who's making the money. When a farmer or rancher works from daylight till dark and has no control over his profits from selling to the likes of tyson and the others something is broke. No its not broke its greed.

I look forward to reading your Sunday Morning posts. I to read the Bible. One thing in particular that comes to mind is the Scripture that says the love of money is the root of all evil. The Bible also says in the last days men would scream out for a leader be it man demon or beast. Why would that be other than a few deprive many of the means to survive.

I guess it might be better said this away. The packing plant sets his price for that banquet dinner. Kellogg sets the price for that box of cereal. McDonald's sets the price for their burgers.

I have a friend that owns 6 McDonald's franchises. He pays all of his overhead, and labor from the profits off French fries. Cold drinks are another place he makes out like a bandit. The average cost of syrup, cups, ice, lids, and straws is about 15 cents per drink.

When was the last time you saw any of these business's go bankrupt?

There are to darn many middle men.

Take your local sale barn and order buyers. On a day to day basis there is so much collusion that goes on in taking the farmer or ranchers cattle it would make the mafia look like a Sunday School class.

Then there was Leachman cattle company. Still owes 100's of ranchers and farmers millions of dollars. All the while living like kings and queens. I know some individuals they owe millions to. Yet go out and see how they live.

If my wife and I eat at Wendy's or Mcdonald's we feal like we have done wrong. our animals come first. We had a bout with the flu and upper respiratory for 5 weeks. Yet the animals got fed and cared for while we went to bed to tired to eat or to sick to cook or even open the refrigerator.

There are no Cadillacs, Porches or Corvettes in our drive. Rather a 2005 dually with 180k plus miles and 2006 ford 500 with 135k miles. Right now the ford is broke down and we have to choose between the farm operations or spending on the car. That is why we are moving to marketing our own animals.

Our animals and equipment are all paid for but its not from farming. When can you ever say in your life time that you have read or been blessed with the packers, feedlots or sale barn ever considering what you needed from your animals so you could feed your family day in day out? Again they are darn sure going to reap it on their end.

I do believe when mad cow broke out it was the big boys that some years later were caught feeding the tainted feed. I DO ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE MAJOR CORPORATIONS sweep problems under the rug at the expense of the publics health!

Last time I looked the farmers and ranchers I KNOW AND ASSOCIATE WITH. CARE ABOUT THEIR COUNTRY, THEIR ANIMALS, THEIR FAMILIES, AND THEIR FELLOW MAN.

I truly wish the same could be said of corporate America and our leaders in Washington.

Has it been that long ago that all of the cheap Chinese products were killing animals and people? Best I remember corporate America was in bed with the Chinese on these actions.
 
Soapweed said:
It seems that "all natural" (whatever that is :? ) products are being touted as being so much better than the "stuff you buy in grocery stores." My first reaction is that perhaps most of the people in our modern society have just never been hungry enough to appreciate our wonderful supply of darned good food.


...not to mention appreciate how inexpensive it is.

"In 1994, the latest year for which comparable information
is available, Americans spent only 7.4 percent
of their personal consumption expenditures for food
to be eaten at home (table 101). This compares with
10.3 percent for Canada and 11.2 percent for the
United Kingdom. In less developed countries, such
as India and the Philippines, at-home food expenditures
often account for more than 50 percent of a
household's budget."

http://www.ers.usda.gov/Publications/SB965/sb965e.pdf (there's probably a more current figure out there, but I need to head back out on this beautiful day!)

Great post! :D
 
Growing up on the farm in the 40's and 50's, we milked several cows, always had fresh milk and cream and butter. The chickens provided fresh meat and eggs.
The cream check and the eggs usually bought a large part of the groceries.
Baby chickens were ordered in the spring and were brought out by the mail carrier. They came in boxes maybe 24 to 28" square and maybe 8 inches tall, divided in four sections with 25 or so chicks in each section.
The young roosters were used to fry, and old hens were usually boiled for soup.

This brings me to the story of Leroy and Josephine:
Leroy and Josephine raised their family in Minnesota in the 40's and 50's. In the early 50's Josephine ordered 100 chicks, all pullets. By chance, one turned out to be a rooster. This rooster, being the only rooster among many hens, thought he was pretty important, and he got onery. He would chase Josephine and the girls, but didn't bother Leroy or the boys much, as the boys would tease him and he would run. Josephine wanted Leroy to get rid of the rooster, but Leroy didn't think he was any bother.
Early one Sunday morning in the barn, Leroy was reaching up to open a trap door to the hay loft when the rooster pecked him on both legs.
Leroy gave the rooster such a kick that he went clear across the barn where he laid motionless.
A little later, while on their way to Sunday Mass, Leroy remarked: " I hope I didn't kill that old rooster." Josephine said, "Why do you care about that old rooster." Leroy replied: " I would like to do it again."
Josephine said, " A lot of good it will do you to go to church today!"
 
Soapweed said:
Once in a while, if a good fat cow broke a leg or something, my dad would butcher this grass-fat beef to be used by our family. It never ever measured up to grain-fed beef in my book.
Come now Soapweed that's not a very fair test - did you compare the broken legged cow beef to beef off a steer that died in the chronic pen at the feedlot? Not saying you have to like grass-fed beef better but at least compare apples to apples.

Denny said:
I've sold some ground beef before and most people want it for $2 a pound figure that out A $400 butcher cow and a $300 butcher bill 80 miles to go pick it up and haul it home up the front steps thru the house down the steps and into the freezer then bring me up 20 pounds every few weeks no thanks.I've got an easy $800 tied up in the ground beef off one old kill cow which I know is'nt more than 400#s
The mistake was selling it for $2 Denny. Lots of producers talk about that up here too - they see the co-op flier showing warehouse packs of lean ground on sale for $1.99/lb. The catch is this is not the regular price. I looked in my local store the other day and it was $3.31/lb. I'm going to get a cow processed soon to show the scale of the cull cow robbery that is going on in Canada. I'm going to take a 1300lb cow that would bring about $325 (before deductions) at auction currently and work out the retail value - I do not expect it to be less that $1300 and that is simply as stew and ground no good cuts sold off it etc.

WyomingRancher said:
Soapweed said:
It seems that "all natural" (whatever that is :? ) products are being touted as being so much better than the "stuff you buy in grocery stores." My first reaction is that perhaps most of the people in our modern society have just never been hungry enough to appreciate our wonderful supply of darned good food.

...not to mention appreciate how inexpensive it is.
Yeah once they start to inject water into the meat to increase their pay weight it's amazing how inexpensive it can become. Sadly the water is about the best thing added to our food supply nowadays.
 
I can buy beef or pork from the meat case any day that has no water or solution added! Now you are comparing apples and oranges like you were complaining about Soapweeds old cow :shock:
 
Great job, Soapweed! Does this mean you won't be setting up a roadside stand any time in the near future, trying to peddle a thousand and some all natural/organic beef carcasses in the middle of cattle country? :wink:
 
I have a friend that owns 6 McDonald's franchises. He pays all of his overhead, and labor from the profits off French fries. Cold drinks are another place he makes out like a bandit. The average cost of syrup, cups, ice, lids, and straws is about 15 cents per drink.

When was the last time you saw any of these business's go bankrupt?
I can think of a Burger King that closed down last year. Seems like McDonald's did a little restructuring in '02, however.

http://www.rense.com/general31/mcdonaldstoclose175.htm
 
The status quo was going pretty well up here before BSE-when things get a little tougher stateside it's amazing what options you'll explore to keep going. I'm kind of a butter, garden vegetable, grass beef kind of guy-as for the battered chicken areseholes that McDonald's sell-factory chickens taste exactly like whatever you spice it with. My inlaws raised broilers for years-I'll take a farm chicken any day over them.
 
Very true NR - necessity is the mother of invention. I'd be real happy too if I could make a good living selling weaned calves and spend my time rearing them. It's not a reality though for most people up here without the rancher and/or wife working off farm.
 
I read a few years ago that only 4 McDonalds have closed in America since it began....many have been demolished and rebuilt, but only 4 closed and no new one replaced it. one was Hillsboro Kansas, another was Beloit Kansas.... guess people knew there was a better option for beef !!
 
jigs said:
I read a few years ago that only 4 McDonalds have closed in America since it began....many have been demolished and rebuilt, but only 4 closed and no new one replaced it. one was Hillsboro Kansas, another was Beloit Kansas.... guess people knew there was a better option for beef !!

the one in Shelby,MT closed as well a couple of yrs ago
 
Grassfarmer said:
Very true NR - necessity is the mother of invention. I'd be real happy too if I could make a good living selling weaned calves and spend my time rearing them. It's not a reality though for most people up here without the rancher and/or wife working off farm.


It's amazing how one's situation influences their opinions. :D

I agree that if I could make a living off of a ranch that has been passed down through generations, I surely would.

I harbor no ill feelings towards those of you on here that are in that situation. However, it would be very, very difficult for you to understand what it is like to start from absolutely nothing. One begins to explore different options and strategies to try and find a way to make it all work. Just because some don't have to be quite as unconventional and ingenius as some do, just to make ends meet, does not mean that the unconventional people are wrong.

If you want to talk about apples and oranges, compare livestock producers who are the third, fourth or fifth generation on a place, to those who are starting from scratch. Night and day are more similar.
 
I think some of you missed Soap's point. He was not knocking the "Natural" beef niche or producers that can and do a very good job of off farm marketing of their production. It is the knocking of the "Mainstream" producers that produce commodity beef ect.

I remember sitting through a presentation by Collen Biggs about their organic beef and how they market it. When asked what they do with animals that need doctoring well they are ID'ed and market through the conventional stream. Well is it safe or not?

I think Soap was saying that we have plentiful supplies of safe food. It's up to you how you use it.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
I think some of you missed Soap's point. He was not knocking the "Natural" beef niche or producers that can and do a very good job of off farm marketing of their production. It is the knocking of the "Mainstream" producers that produce commodity beef ect.

I remember sitting through a presentation by Collen Biggs about their organic beef and how they market it. When asked what they do with animals that need doctoring well they are ID'ed and market through the conventional stream. Well is it safe or not?

I think Soap was saying that we have plentiful supplies of safe food. It's up to you how you use it.

I agree likewise on what Soap said. The niche marketing is great but it is still a small piece of the pie. When I look at what the environmental movement is trying to do to agriculture I wonder how hungry people will have to get before things turn around and we are allowed to use the resources of this earth the way God intended us to. When you can control peoples food supply it is easy to control the people. North America still has the best and safest food supply in the world.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
I think some of you missed Soap's point. He was not knocking the "Natural" beef niche or producers that can and do a very good job of off farm marketing of their production. It is the knocking of the "Mainstream" producers that produce commodity beef ect.

I remember sitting through a presentation by Collen Biggs about their organic beef and how they market it. When asked what they do with animals that need doctoring well they are ID'ed and market through the conventional stream. Well is it safe or not?

I think Soap was saying that we have plentiful supplies of safe food. It's up to you how you use it.

They did miss my point, Big Muddy. I have nothing against the way they sell in their niche markets, in fact I applaud their efforts and ingenuity. What does bother me though is how they have to bad mouth regular beef channels in order to make the "all natural" beef have more appeal.

If anyone thinks it is plumb easy running a ranch that has been around for awhile, they have another think coming. Our family ranch is nearly six times bigger now than it was when I was a kid, and we run six times more cattle than my dad did when I was young. A lot of that increase has been by the efforts of Peach and me. We work fairly hard and fairly steady, though we do tend to pace ourselves instead of going pell mell. Neither of us has an off-the-ranch job, so our enterprise has to sustain us. We don't have any farm crops to sell. Our entire income is from the sale of ranch livestock. Our only extra help is from our kids, but we do hire some of the hay put up. It is a good life, but it is anything but easy.
 


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