I'm just wonder Do you think if Canadian Feeder cattle were allowed back into the U.S. they should only do so if they are sent into a feedlot and then on to slaughter or should they beable to be fed on ranches then taken to slaughter?
Sandhusker said:I think we should follow Canada's example. Canada has closed their borders to 20 some countries because of BSE. How is Canada treating cattle and beef from those countries?
reader (the Second) said:Bill said:Sandhusker said:I think we should follow Canada's example. Canada has closed their borders to 20 some countries because of BSE. How is Canada treating cattle and beef from those countries?
As has been mentioned previously, the BSE regulations in North America were established as a result of consultations between US and Canadian industry groups and governements. If Canada had it's borders open to product from the countries you refer to the US would have not allowed Canadian product in. Most of those countries have also not had a feed ban in place as long as Canada and the US.
I guess you could say that Canada is also following the US example.
Is this really true about the feed ban? European countries have had a feed ban for longer than Canada and U.S. and it is more "total" in the sense that ruminant feed is disallowed in ANY animal feed.
Sandhusker said:I'd have to say England has done much more than Canada or the US in combating BSE. How does Canada treat their product?
Tam said:Sandhusker All I asked was do you think if they were admitted to the US should they go to feedlots or be allowed to comingle on ranches until slaughter? It doesn't matter what anyone else is doing what do you think the US should do? I want your opinion
Thus the benefits of cheaper Canadian cattle will go excluively to those who own feedlots or feed cattle in feedlots, and to the packers Given that all live cattle entering the U.S. from Canada will be branded and tagged, there is no apparent reason why feeding such cattle would increase the risks presented by the Final Rule USDA's discrimination against producers who are not feedlot owners and do not feed cattle in feedlots, without sufficient explanation renders the Final Rule arbitrary, Capricious and abuse of discretion and unsupported by the administrative record.
Does this go for those the US wants to export to? Because remember in everyone eyes but R-CALF members the US is in the same risk class as Canada?not just Canadian but everybody in the same risk class as Canada.
My biggest complaint with this whole deal is that the USDA is tampering with a health policy for economic reasons - and that is unacceptable.
All this proves Sandhusker is you trust the Canadian food system that didn't have a BSE case recalled from it. And by not taking the same aged cattle that puts into question whether you trust your food system that did have a BSE case recalled from it. And if you don't trust your system to process our cattle into safe beef then why should other countries trust it to process yours.They can't grasp that concept because that the concept is a line of BS. Why not test that theory by comparing how long we've been taking your boxed beef with how long Japan has been taking ours? How does that theory hold up in real life?
I think the USDA is totally out of line making those demands of the Japanese and the way the way they have handled that situation from start to finish is deplorable. I don't think either county should lower health standards in the name of "trade".
Sandhusker said:The OIE's ruling shows that "Provisionally Free" is a category that will never be used as their standards of proof are virtually impossible to meet in the real world. Common sense tells one otherwise.
reader (the Second) said:Sandhusker said:Tam, "Taiwan is working with Canada and are very close to a lifting the ban so what does that tell you?"
It doesn't tell me much, Tam! :lol: We've been told the US and Japan have been close for months now and that has turned out to be misinformation!
Right, and Japan or Taiwan allowing in imports may have as much to do with politics and diplomacy (and economics) as it has to do with OIE and what the consumer wants.
TXTibbs said:LOL @ the Tample Grandin thing.......I don't know this "TAM", but to be called "Tam"ple Grandin is sure a blow!!!!