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I have a question for the Americans that come to this site..As I have no Idea why there is so many against affordable medical help for all..So I ask politly and respectfully that please hypo,Tam and all others that reside in Canada to not answer in this thread... thank you..

Your right Tam and Hypo,I cant stop you from repling,I can only ask politly that you dont not,which I have........

Ok here it goes...

Why is ok that your countries government Protects you from harm of other countries and terriost attacks(Armed forces) and nobody complains..

Why is it that the government decides your childrens curriculum and teaches that curriculum to your children daily....but there are no town halls about it?

Why is it Social Security is acceptted and not screamed about being abolished as it to is government run?...


Why is it ok that Your borders are protected by government ?

You rely on your Goverment to protect you lives,raise your children,protect you from invaders and take care of you when your old...but just the mere mention of a government health care plan and all of a sudden that same government that protects,educates and helps the old, becomes untrustworthy money grabbers that do not have your best interests at heart....

I guess I just want to know why health care would be so bad under the same leadership you already intrust so much of your life's with?
 
Because this is the line in the sand, this is one of the three moves that will fundementally change the United States. The other two are Cap & Trade and Card Check. We need to win this fight now, then reduce the size of the government. If we allow these things to happen it is going to give them the ability to further regulate us more then we can imagine. I don't want the same people running health care that run Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare and most recently Cash For Clunkers. I have had Tri-Care and dealt with the VA, I don't want that for the country.

There are things we can do to improve the availability of what is already the best quality of care in the world, once the government takes control it's done.
 
Protecting us is the gov. job they are supposed to do it.

The government has no real right to decide our childrens curriculum nor to teach them there are debates about this but the only real option at this point is to home school.

Social security should be abolished. I can't imagine the debt that is going to happen because the government has mismanagrd s.s. another fine program the gov. started and then has continually screwed up.

It is the gov. job to protect the borders. and they do it poorly

I agree with ben somewhere you have to draw the line I was not alive for the battle on the other points S.S. and education but this one I am. We have to draw the line somewhere and not be the sheeple the gov. has made us.
 
nonothing said:
I have a question for the Americans that come to this site..As I have no Idea why there is so many against affordable medical help for all..So I ask politly and respectfully that please hypo,Tam and all others that reside in Canada to not answer in this thread... thank you..

How is it affordable when the CBO says it will raise costs and cost us over a trillion dollars that we don't have?

Why is ok that your countries government Protects you from harm of other countries and terriost attacks(Armed forces) and nobody complains..

Because that responsibilty is spelled out in the Constitution.

Why is it that the government decides your childrens curriculum and teaches that curriculum to your children daily....but there are no town halls about it?

Those are called "School Board Meetings". They usually happen once a month in every school district.

Why is it Social Security is acceptted and not screamed about being abolished as it to is government run?...

There are a lot of people who want out (myself included) but we are not allowed to get out because the liberals have decided that the government knows more about our finances than we do.

Why is it ok that Your borders are protected by government ?

Because the Constitution says so.

You rely on your Goverment to protect you lives,raise your children,protect you from invaders and take care of you when your old...but just the mere mention of a government health care plan and all of a sudden that same government that protects,educates and helps the old, becomes untrustworthy money grabbers that do not have your best interests at heart....

I guess I just want to know why health care would be so bad under the same leadership you already intrust so much of your life's with?

Many of us would like the goverment to back the hell out of our lives. We don't "entrust" our lives to them so much as they have encroached upon our lives.
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Why is it that the government decides your childrens curriculum and teaches that curriculum to your children daily....but there are no town halls about it?
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LOL I guess you never heard about all the fightig that goes on about these cuz the Media doesnt want it to spread .....In Charlotte there has been LOTS of fighting over and over again.

As for them protecting us against all others...that is the JOB of the government.

Government has shown they can not efeectivly handle SSI or the Vets both the srevices and the hospitals without deleys or something going wrong.

It is NOT the job of the government to provide healthcare. It is up to US, the people...if we a re offered it at our job that is a benifit and if not then we either have to be ready to pay with cash or buy our own policy. Same as buying a cell phone or a car or a house.....those items are wants NOT needs. If you have no insureance and have an accident then you will be seen now ...yes you will have to pay same as if you want to eat you cant just walk in a resturant and start eating you have to pay.
I look at a health care policy as I do my pantry......No I will NOT eat all that food today BUT I will want some tomorrow so I stock up and if there is a sale I put some back for when I might be short of cash , no job, its my own Food Policy. Should the government provide me with food? I cant live without it.....NO That is MY JOB. Same as providing a healthcare policy.
I want the government to make sure I have a good road to get to work on....make sure all the bad guys are behind bars, make sure some country wont come in and take my land away. As for the rest I am taking care of that...I dont need them telling me what to do , where to go, how to treat cancer or whatever, even down to I have to get a flu shot.....that is my choice as a free person I know the consequences of my decissions and am ready to accept them good, bad, or indifferent.
Its called being a grown up and taking responsiblity for yourself.
 
Why is ok that your countries government Protects you from harm of other countries and terriost attacks(Armed forces) and nobody complains..

Constitutional responsibility

Why is it that the government decides your childrens curriculum and teaches that curriculum to your children daily....but there are no town halls about it?

Un Constitutional, everybody should be screaming about it, but it is kept in check by locally elected school board and concerned citizens at school board meetings, so we wrongfully let it slide.

Why is it Social Security is acceptted and not screamed about being abolished as it to is government run?...

and what a whiz bang job of it they have done, biggest ponzi scheme ever invented, but the pyramid is about to run out of bricks, then what??
when SS was set up it was much like an IRA with the promise that it wouldn't change. guess we were lied to.
maybe now that some people's eyes are being opened this will get looked into also

Why is it ok that Your borders are protected by government ?

When did that happen- people are screaming that they are NOT being protected.

You rely on your Goverment to protect you lives,raise your children,protect you from invaders and take care of you when your old...but just the mere mention of a government health care plan and all of a sudden that same government that protects,educates and helps the old, becomes untrustworthy money grabbers that do not have your best interests at heart....

I don't rely on the government to do anything but to illegally take my money. My second ammendment rights protect my ability to protect my family and property. There is plenty of screaming when that is infringed upon.
I raise my children, and educate them too.
and I sure don't depend on SS to be there for me when I am old.

I guess I just want to know why health care would be so bad under the same leadership you already intrust so much of your life's with?

see above,
Why would I want to entrust more of my liberties to corrupt politicians?
Why would I want to see them take over more businesses?
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nonothing said:
I have a question for the Americans that come to this site..As I have no Idea why there is so many against affordable medical help for all..So I ask politly and respectfully that please hypo,Tam and all others that reside in Canada to not answer in this thread... thank you..

Your right Tam and Hypo,I cant stop you from repling,I can only ask politly that you dont not,which I have........

Ok here it goes...

Why is ok that your countries government Protects you from harm of other countries and terriost attacks(Armed forces) and nobody complains..

Why is it that the government decides your childrens curriculum and teaches that curriculum to your children daily....but there are no town halls about it?

Why is it Social Security is acceptted and not screamed about being abolished as it to is government run?...


Why is it ok that Your borders are protected by government ?
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You do not know much about America do you? All those issues have been fought about in many different forums public and private. Most if not all have even been debated on here! You never heard us talk about voucher programs for our kids schooling? You never heard us debate about privatizing Social Security? You do not remember any of them debates that you took part in about our national security? You have not read any of the debates about the borders and protecting them?

Have you smoked a lot of pot in your day? Because you seem to have a very bad short term memory of subjects we have debated, discussed and argued about on this very website! :shock: :roll:
 
nonothing said:
You rely on your Goverment to protect you lives,raise your children,protect you from invaders and take care of you when your old...but just the mere mention of a government health care plan and all of a sudden that same government that protects,educates and helps the old, becomes untrustworthy money grabbers that do not have your best interests at heart....

I guess I just want to know why health care would be so bad under the same leadership you already intrust so much of your life's with?
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I do not rely on gov to raise my kids

I do not rely on gov to take care of me when I am old

I do rely on the gov to protect me from invaders and enemies of this country, because that is the job we elect them to do! That is the primary responsibility of the Government.

It is not the Governments responsibility or right to decide what kind of medical care I get!

You seemed to have a problem with the way America protected itself after 911 you did not like us going into Iraq, so would you be comfortable with the same Government that started the Iraq war being responsible for your health care?
 
I sincerely hope the questions asked in the first post of this thread were written by someone younger than 8-9 years old!

If an adult wrote them.....well........... :roll: :roll:
 
katrina said:
You want to look government health care in the USA?? Come to any Indian reservation...
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Or medicare! My wife does home health care and they are constantly cutting services to those on medicare.

It blows my mind that people do not look at all the areas where the government already controls health care and see how poor of a job they are doing. And how they constantly keep cutting services in those programs. It does not take a rocket scientist to predict they will do the same with all of our health care if they get in charge of it!
 
nonothing said:
I have a question for the Americans that come to this site..As I have no Idea why there is so many against affordable medical help for all..So I ask politly and respectfully that please hypo,Tam and all others that reside in Canada to not answer in this thread... thank you..

Your right Tam and Hypo,I cant stop you from repling,I can only ask politly that you dont not,which I have........

Ok here it goes...

Why is ok that your countries government Protects you from harm of other countries and terriost attacks(Armed forces) and nobody complains..

Why is it that the government decides your childrens curriculum and teaches that curriculum to your children daily....but there are no town halls about it?

Why is it Social Security is acceptted and not screamed about being abolished as it to is government run?...


Why is it ok that Your borders are protected by government ?

You rely on your Goverment to protect you lives,raise your children,protect you from invaders and take care of you when your old...but just the mere mention of a government health care plan and all of a sudden that same government that protects,educates and helps the old, becomes untrustworthy money grabbers that do not have your best interests at heart....

I guess I just want to know why health care would be so bad under the same leadership you already intrust so much of your life's with?
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the programs already entrusted to the government are "expensive" and some are ineffective..

our SS is a program that is funded by the people and employers, and raided by the government..

many of us do not approve of the fed involvement in schools and have showed up at meetings to protest and have been on school boards..

the military is one of the best because it is an all volunteer force.. and it is well funded.. federal defense is one of the few obligations that should be ran by the government.. and they had better do it well..

as for the rest... immigration.. dismal failure..thank GOD the Mexicans are just coming for a job.. as the border is not secure in any way.

so why entrust them with our health? so far they leadership even fails to use or fix the health care they have set up for the elderly.. let them use medicare as their primary coverage.. first.. then after they fix that they can then start tinkering with the real problems of our health system.
 
Larrry said:
As I have no Idea why there is so many against affordable medical help for all.
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When you start out like this, then you must not be paying attention to what people are saying.
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if affordable means taxpayer subsidized then it's not really affordable..

if affordable means rationing... then it's not really affordable either..

if affordable means I pay more so you can pay less... then it's not fair.. nor affordable any longer for myself or my family...

if affordable means sacrificing luxuries, for my security.. well I already did that...
 
nonothing said:
I have a question for the Americans that come to this site..As I have no Idea why there is so many against affordable medical help for all..So I ask politly and respectfully that please hypo,Tam and all others that reside in Canada to not answer in this thread... thank you..

Your right Tam and Hypo,I cant stop you from repling,I can only ask politly that you dont not,which I have........

Ok here it goes...

Why is ok that your countries government Protects you from harm of other countries and terriost attacks(Armed forces) and nobody complains.. Because that is what the armed forces is for, it is what they do and do it well in most cases when we have a president with a backbone and political activist stay out of it

Why is it that the government decides your childrens curriculum and teaches that curriculum to your children daily....but there are no town halls about it? At one time education was handled at the local level till local governments were forced to succumb to the federal goverments will to get funding for education. Since then, education is just another socialist program where adults can't control or disipline children. Why, because it is believed that the childern's and their parents right to be butt heads outweighs the rights of those that pay the taxes to fund the schools to get their moneys worth not to mention the kids that wish to get an education have to placate them too.

Why is it Social Security is acceptted and not screamed about being abolished as it to is government run?...
So you want the elderly and disabled that have worked a lifetime to support the government to starve to death. How dare you be so heartless. After all, SS supports all the victims of racism, you know, the trouble makers that couldn't make it in school, the same people that can't hold a job because they never learned to be dependable, learned to take care of themselves because the believe America should support them no matter what. Get rid of SS and babies and children will die. Hell, I've paid into it a lifetime, I darned well better recieve some benefits from that.

Why is it ok that Your borders are protected by government ?That is another responsibility of the government, national security should be a governments priority. Wish ours would do a better job. However, doing a better job would mean fewer future voters, a social group that couldn't be groomed as future voters and would open up jobs that many of the welfare recipients could but won't do.

You rely on your Goverment to protect you lives,raise your children,protect you from invaders and take care of you when your old...but just the mere mention of a government health care plan and all of a sudden that same government that protects,educates and helps the old, becomes untrustworthy money grabbers that do not have your best interests at heart....

I guess I just want to know why health care would be so bad under the same leadership you already intrust so much of your life's with?Because we have seen how our socialist Liberal Democrat govermnet has handled education, border security, Social Security, Medicare and Medicade. Why in hell would we want them to decide who receives a life or death sentence and put them in charge of our healthcare. Enough is enough!
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Lets JUST take Social Security. It gets spent. Each and every year they spend it instead of using it for its intended function. SS should be treated just like a 401K and never go to pork barrel ventures or be used for anything else.

I remember getting my SS paid up in May or June each year. Then it went up, then it went up some more, and more, and then you can never completely pay it up and they added medicare payments on to that. Once they get their foot in the door, they never stop.

My father drew one SS check. That's it. He and my mother were not married at the time of his death. Of all those years he paid, there was not much return. I have been paying for 36 years now and they tell me there will not be any nickels for me when I retire. Where did it go?

It is the exact same story for the nuclear repository. Every nuke plant (each unit) in America has paid 10 million per year for a repository dating back to the early 70's. That is nearly 400 million per unit (some plants are multiple units) not ocunting the interest that would have acrued if that money had been ear marked for its intended function. When the subject of the repository came up, Hillary's EXACT words were, "Where are we going to get the money to build that?"

Where did the money go? Where did the SS money go?

I am not going to address any more of your questions in this post.
 
backhoeboogie said:
Lets JUST take Social Security. It gets spent. Each and every year they spend it instead of using it for its intended function. SS should be treated just like a 401K and never go to pork barrel ventures or be used for anything else.

I remember getting my SS paid up in May or June each year. Then it went up, then it went up some more, and more, and then you can never completely pay it up and they added medicare payments on to that. Once they get their foot in the door, they never stop.

My father drew one SS check. That's it. He and my mother were not married at the time of his death. Of all those years he paid, there was not much return. I have been paying for 36 years now and they tell me there will not be any nickels for me when I retire. Where did it go?

It is the exact same story for the nuclear repository. Every nuke plant (each unit) in America has paid 10 million per year for a repository dating back to the early 70's. That is nearly 400 million per unit (some plants are multiple units) not ocunting the interest that would have acrued if that money had been ear marked for its intended function. When the subject of the repository came up, Hillary's EXACT words were, "Where are we going to get the money to build that?"

Where did the money go? Where did the SS money go?

I am not going to address any more of your questions in this post.
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My dad was the same he recently died and had only received his SS for a little over one year. My mom will get a small boost in hers since dads was more than hers but other than that all that money he paid in gone! My mom could have lived comfortably that money if it was allowed to be privately invested!

Even worse they take our money that is ear marked for specific reasons and then just blow it on what they see fit, any little social program they want instead of the one the took it out of our checks for! And health care is next!
 

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