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AI'ing to Magnitude

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Has anyone used OCC Magnitude? He is one of the bulls ABS is offering a spring special on. I've always been intrigued by OCC's bulls and many local bull sellers have had good luck with Embazon sons. I just wonder if easy fleshing in Kansas translates to easy fleshing in western South Dakota?
 
Easy fleshing is like pretty, it's in the eye of the beholder. I don't know magnitude but fleshability is controlled here on my place by decreasing frame and increasing width and depth. It's probably mathematical in nature even. It's not without costs though. There's a point where production in pounds is decreased or dystocia is increased.
 
Haven't messed with Magnitude but thought about it when I saw ABS have him. I have to bulls sired here by OCC bulls.. Stout for the most part but I don't have any calves out of them as of yet. Going by memory but one is an Anchor I think while the other is a Medicine Man.... They are staying fat as 2 year olds on corn stalks and old swamp grass.
 
Take a look at this thread- Faster Horses used him and apparently was quite pleased...My son is looking at breeding the purebred heifers to him this spring......

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15667&highlight=magnitude
 
Emblazon sons are very hot right now, I know a couple guys that just bought some semen on him from Ohlde's at $50 a straw. They are breeding a majority of their herd to hm this year to try and jump on the Emblazon bandwagon. That's the cheapest your ever gonna find it, so either buy that or find a good son. I think that Magnitude bull is a pretty good bet, I sure don't think he would hurt anything.

Since I sell for Accelerated, I have to put in a plug about our Emblazon son. He's out of a Papa Equator 2928 cow that goes back to Traveler 23-4. Don't know a whole lot about him, but from what I see, he seems pretty decent and has a good pedigree for easy-fleshing, maternal cattle.
http://www.agteamdirect.com/BeefDetails.aspx?uid=173&naab=014AN00273
Just FYI, didn't want to hijack the thread. I do think the Magnitude bull is pretty good if that's what you are looking for.
 
Here is a Magnitude calf in mid summer.
We sure had some good ones. The ABS rep came at shipping time
to look them over and he was very happy. Lots of thickness and
hind leg in them. We would sure use him again.

And even with EXT in on the dam's side, we found the calves to be
very gentle. We kept all the heifers, btw.

IMG_0560.jpg
 
Faster horses said:
Here is a Magnitude calf in mid summer.
We sure had some good ones. The ABS rep came at shipping time
to look them over and he was very happy. Lots of thickness and
hind leg in them. We would sure use him again.

And even with EXT in on the dam's side, we found the calves to be
very gentle. We kept all the heifers, btw.

IMG_0560.jpg
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Is this how that good young bull I saw at your place is bred FH?
 
I've heard from a couple guys that I trust that the Magnitude's are "right".


Not that my sort of "trust" is yours, of course. There are only a couple of purebred guys that I do trust. A few more I trust for certain opinions of some things and know they are liars on others. :wink:


With that said, he does carry more growth and probably mature weight than his sire, so keep that in mind if you are in a more resource limited environment.

The trouble with O C C Emblazon sons right now is that he is now being used to correct a bunch of big and crappy cows, so watch out when you go to buy or use one.



Badlands
 
Thanks for the reminder, there Badlands. Good advice!!!!
Can't be too careful of the mamma/maternal side of these bulls.

JB, no, the bull you saw is a grandson of OCC Anchor
from our bull supplier in Western Montana. They have quit
using Emblazon and haven't used Magnitude. I think they quit
the whole OCC thing actually. They were worried about fertility.
They have moved on to Wye breeding andalso used an interesting
bull from Australia, Pinebank Waigroup 41/97.
They sure have good cattle. The other
heifer bull you saw was a Wye bred bull. The Magnitudes are
probably more handsome cattle than the Wye's. IMO...

Our ABS rep said there were sure some bull prospects in
the Magnitude calves we sold.
But of course, they were steers by then. :P
 
Faster horses said:
Thanks for the reminder, there Badlands. Good advice!!!!
Can't be too careful of the mamma/maternal side of these bulls.

JB, no, the bull you saw is a grandson of OCC Anchor
from our bull supplier in Western Montana. They have quit
using Emblazon and haven't used Magnitude. I think they quit
the whole OCC thing actually. They were worried about fertility.
They have moved on to Wye breeding andalso used an interesting
bull from Australia,Pinebak Waigroup 41/97.
They sure have good cattle. The other
heifer bull you saw was a Wye bred bull. The Magnitudes are
probably more handsome cattle than the Wye's. IMO...

Our ABS rep said there were sure some bull prospects in
the Magnitude calves we sold.
But of course, they were steers by then. :P
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Okay, thanks. I sure liked that bull. Both of them, for that matter. :-)
 
Thanks, JB. I'm glad you got to see them.

If you have no problem with a used bull (used only by us) we
would sell you the Anchor bull either this spring or next fall.
He's a gentle bugger for sure, never causes a problem. He will
be a 3 year old. Maybe I'll go get a picture and post it here.

I think you either love him or hate him, depending...

I'm looking foreward to the females, that's for sure!
 
FH,

I find the folks using some of the NZ bulls interesting.

They talk about maternal, moderation, grass genetics, etc.

Then they use a bull that matured at 3,200 pounds, which is a larger mature size than most of the AI stud bulls they could buy now.

Of course, the selling point is that this one is "built right".

Kind of funny to watch the purebred web weave its' tale.

Badlands
 
He is talking about the New Zeland bulls that some are promoting.. Massive, Massive creatures they are, never heard the 3200 pound bulls but did here of cow pushing a ton so that only makes sense....
 
Pinebank Waigroup 41/97 is from New Zealand, FH.

The Americans promote him as coming from a grass only environment. That is true, I would guess, but a place where the average precip is probably about 72".

He matured at 3,200 pounds, though he probably didn't make much over FS 5.

My point is that in lieu of having a mature weight idea, we use FS to "adjust" for maintenance requirements of the cow herd. When we have weight, we use it. A 3,200 pound animal will eat like a 3,200 pound animal of equal composition whether he is FS 5,7 or 9.

Time will tell, but I think he will produce heavy cows. They might still work, but they will be heavy. Heavy cows eat more.

Badlands
 

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