mwj said:
MWJ, I don't want to get too lippy about it, but I think even you quoted a source without providing the source site, and then made assumptions on that source to argue a point against me.
What is it, 82 cents or 1.32. Can you scald those lips yourself or do you want SH to do your lip service.
Where do they get all the stuff they put in Vienna Sausage?
If you want to follow clowns (SH) you will become one. I think you are very close to getting your circus certification.
mwj
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Econ101 said:
It was from the usda mkt sight if you want the url so you can check the prices I will post it for you. You will notice I did not use the phrase I think. The lips were listed as scalded so you will not have to do it at home if you buy a load. The stuff that they use in vienna sausage is prob. sourced from the cheapest supplier they can find that will fit there ingrediant list! The prod. ratio's prob. flucuate with mkt. prices of the ''ingrediants.
mwj
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Econ101 said:
MWJ, I don't want to get too lippy about it, but I think even you quoted a source without providing the source site, and then made assumptions on that source to argue a point against me.
What is it, 82 cents or 1.32. Can you scald those lips yourself or do you want SH to do your lip service.
Where do they get all the stuff they put in Vienna Sausage?
If you want to follow clowns (SH) you will become one. I think you are very close to getting your circus certification.[/quot
Econ try http://cattletoday.com/markets.htm and see if that link works for you. There is a wealth of info on livestock prices meats grain,feedstuff, imports ect. you can answer a lot of questions that you wonder about! If that doesn't work just go to cattletoday and click on the markets link.
MWJ, I did post my quote from that source. You were the one arguing that lips weren't going to be used in sausage/hot dogs. The quote you posted varies so much from the one I posted that you can see sometimes they are used for sausage/hot dogs and sometimes they are not. Depends on the price and substitutes.
You have it right when you say that they will put in the cheapest ingredient that meets their specs. for a particular product. Sometimes lips fit that bill. Because of the definition I posted, Idoubt you will see the words "beef lips" in the ingredient list. Not many people want to know they are eating beef lips. Vienna sausage used to have it on their ingredient list. That is why I used them as an example.
You have it right when you say that they will put in the cheapest ingredient that meets their specs. for a particular product. Sometimes lips fit that bill. Because of the definition I posted, Idoubt you will see the words "beef lips" in the ingredient list. Not many people want to know they are eating beef lips. Vienna sausage used to have it on their ingredient list. That is why I used them as an example.
mwj
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What we consider scrap is real food to some people. The export mkt. for a lot of these items adds a lot of value to the ''drop''' on slaughter cattle :shock:
bse-tester
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Jason quote me with:
I have tried to debate him on more than one occasion only to see him run and hide for a few days. Then when he gets back me doesn't even have the cojonies to show up. When he finally takes his shot at me, he still insists on bringing a knife to a gunfight. So before you rant on about me not debating SH, go back and read some of my posts wherein I have repeatedly asked him to explain his remarks relating to BSE. The guy knows little or nothing about the science of BSE but is willing to throw his single cell approach into the fray to try to impress others. When he realizes that his remarks are worthless, he calls everyone else damned liars and perhaps, just perhaps, that is how he justifies to himself that he is right.
His problem is simply that he just doesn't get it!
I have tried to debate him on more than one occasion only to see him run and hide for a few days. Then when he gets back me doesn't even have the cojonies to show up. When he finally takes his shot at me, he still insists on bringing a knife to a gunfight. So before you rant on about me not debating SH, go back and read some of my posts wherein I have repeatedly asked him to explain his remarks relating to BSE. The guy knows little or nothing about the science of BSE but is willing to throw his single cell approach into the fray to try to impress others. When he realizes that his remarks are worthless, he calls everyone else damned liars and perhaps, just perhaps, that is how he justifies to himself that he is right.
His problem is simply that he just doesn't get it!
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See blamers divert, divert blamers divert!
All it takes is one quote and the facts that prove me wrong and none of them can do it.
F'ed Up, the blowhard, turns the same dog loose that was run over the last time it was turned loose. F'ed Up takes two sentences that were taken out of context and out of sequence and tries to create a contradiction. True to the ways of the factually defenseless. F'ed up is a packer blamer that can't justify what he wants to believe against the facts so, in typical blamer fashion, he'd rather make his steers attempt to discredit me as opposed to backing his packer blaming positions.
OCM assumes his usual cheerleader position at courtside and says nothing, as usual.
BSE tester, is still trying to justify a bse test that the rest of the world, including Canada, says is unnecessary and unjustified. $$$$$$$$$$$$$!
Not one of them can take a quote I have made and bring the facts that prove me wrong. Not one!
Deny, Discredit, Deceive, Divert! Anything to avoid the debate.
Good thing they have eachother for moral support.
I just listed 10 lies that Little Sandcheska stated and none of his supporters can take a single lie and prove it to the contrary let alone Little Sandcheska. Instead of defending Sandcheska's lies, they divert the entire thread to make their empty little statements. Same-o, Same-o "factually defenseless" little blamers.
What a sorry bunch!
~SH~
All it takes is one quote and the facts that prove me wrong and none of them can do it.
F'ed Up, the blowhard, turns the same dog loose that was run over the last time it was turned loose. F'ed Up takes two sentences that were taken out of context and out of sequence and tries to create a contradiction. True to the ways of the factually defenseless. F'ed up is a packer blamer that can't justify what he wants to believe against the facts so, in typical blamer fashion, he'd rather make his steers attempt to discredit me as opposed to backing his packer blaming positions.
OCM assumes his usual cheerleader position at courtside and says nothing, as usual.
BSE tester, is still trying to justify a bse test that the rest of the world, including Canada, says is unnecessary and unjustified. $$$$$$$$$$$$$!
Not one of them can take a quote I have made and bring the facts that prove me wrong. Not one!
Deny, Discredit, Deceive, Divert! Anything to avoid the debate.
Good thing they have eachother for moral support.
I just listed 10 lies that Little Sandcheska stated and none of his supporters can take a single lie and prove it to the contrary let alone Little Sandcheska. Instead of defending Sandcheska's lies, they divert the entire thread to make their empty little statements. Same-o, Same-o "factually defenseless" little blamers.
What a sorry bunch!
~SH~
Sandhusker
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Scotty, "Not one of them can take a quote I have made and bring the facts that prove me wrong. Not one!"
When your therapist told you to go to your happy place, he didn't mean go there and never come back to reality.
When your therapist told you to go to your happy place, he didn't mean go there and never come back to reality.
Sorry to hear the Christmas play in your home town was cancelled again this year Sh!tHead. But I do understand the problem with them not being able to find 3 wise men & a virgin! :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sh!tHead writes: "I am very well aware of every facet of this industry."
Sh!tHead writes, "First, I never pretended to know every facet of the industry and I never made that claim. :liar: :liar: :liar:
Ah….I never had sex with that woman………I never inhaled…….ah…… :help:
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Sh!tHead writes: "I am very well aware of every facet of this industry."
Sh!tHead writes, "First, I never pretended to know every facet of the industry and I never made that claim. :liar: :liar: :liar:
Ah….I never had sex with that woman………I never inhaled…….ah…… :help:
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mwj
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Three posts and no facts to the contrary :shock: 
Sandhusker
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mwj said:Three posts and no facts to the contrary :shock:
You want to defend his "deception" argument? :roll: That's a doozy. :lol: :lol:
What about SRM removal assuring safety when SRMs are in nerve tissue and every bite you take has nerve tissue?
Jason
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Sandhusker, SRM means specified risk material.
No where has it been said that every nerve ending is SRM.
Try again.
No where has it been said that every nerve ending is SRM.
Try again.
Sandhusker
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Jason said:
How about you tell us which nerves are SRMS and which aren't.
bse-tester
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Well, here is one instance of what SH thinks revolves around the sun!!
Under any circumstance!!!
Pretty bold statement from a guy who knows nothing of the science!! Read on McDuff and learn to get out of that bubble once in while!!
Wanna debate that little comment with on who knows the truth of it???? Step up to the plate hot-shot!!!
Under any circumstance!!!
Pretty bold statement from a guy who knows nothing of the science!! Read on McDuff and learn to get out of that bubble once in while!!
Wanna debate that little comment with on who knows the truth of it???? Step up to the plate hot-shot!!!
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Sure bse tester, tell everyone why USDA, Canada, Japan, and the OIE are wrong not to test cattle under 20 months of age WITH THE BSE TEST THAT CREEKSTONE PLANNED TO USE SINCE YOUR TEST WAS NOT APPROVED and why you, standing there with a bse test to sell and $$$$$$ in your eyes, is right to test cattle under 20 months of age WITH THE BSE TEST THAT CREEKSTONE PLANNED TO USE SINCE YOUR TEST WAS NOT APPROVED BY CANADA OR THE US.
Take it away now that my statement cannot be taken out of the context in which it was stated. In other words, now you can't try to pull a F'ed Up on me.
There is no contradiction F'ed Up! Only a desperate little packer blamer like you who can't come up with anything better than two statements taken out of sequence and out of context.
The second statement was made in response to Lying King's lie claiming that I had claimed to know every facet of this industry. I never used the word "facet" and I never made that claim. That was another lie from the anonymous Lying King who you apparently defend in your need of your little support group. Do a search on "facet" and you'll see that I didn't use that word UNTIL Lying King made the statement. Then, and only then, did I say that I understand each facet of this industry (cow/calf, feeder, processor, & retailer) but not each detail of every facet (such as what boxed beef prices did yesterday).
Instead of taking a quote I have stated and providing the proof that proves me wrong, you take a statement out of context and out of sequence to create an "ILLUSION" of a contradiction which speaks volumes of your level of desperation you blowhard. You obviously can't contribute anything of substance.
Another empty handed desperate little packer blamer!
Imagine that?
~SH~
bse-tester
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Well $hit-head, the fact is that our test is not approved due to the fact that we are about to go into validation early in the new year. That will take us 18 - 24 months to complete and then it goes to the OIE for review. The USDA, CFIA, EFSA and yes, the OIE, have all indicated that until it has proceeded through the validation process it will not be recognized. Then and only then, upon being recognized, will it be determined by the OIE to be a test that not only works, but will work extremely well.
So before you run off at the mouth and imply that all I have are $$$$ in my eyes, give your single-cell brain a shake and consider what I have just written.
The fact is simple and if I write this slowly, maybe you might have a better chance of understanding it clearly:
I cannot possibly sell my test until it is recognized and approved!! PERIOD!!! That means it must pass all tests and then be reviewed by the OIE and their selected panel of experts.
You imply that it was "....NOT APPROVED BY CANADA OR THE US."
How on earth can it be approved in either country when both the USA and CANADA have no say at all as to which test is approved or not approved. They are bound by mandated agreements to follow the rulings of the OIE. That is one little mistake you have made right there pal.
The reason that the OIE has suggested that it is not necessary to test cattle under the age of 20 months is largely due to the known and accepted incubation period for this TSE. However, the fact is that they also recognize the potential for veritcal transmission of the protein and to that end scientist around the world have been trying to develop a test that will detect the presence of PrPsc in younger animals - not due to their age - but due, in part, to the fact that a younger animal is far less likely to have the infectious protein in the first place and if it has got it, there is currently no test that will identify the presence of the early infection in an animal of that age. We are confident that our will - because all of our lab tests in your United States National Prion Surveillance Centre, a lab sanctioned by the USDA, has confirmed that it will.
But remember, if that animal has contracted the disease due to veritical transmission, then there is a strong chance that it is a serious carrier of PrPsc at an early sub-20 month age and should that animal be slaughtered under the current scrutiny, then PrPsc will most defintely enter the human food chain.
Lastly, the Japanese still tests every single animal that enters their country and all of their domestic animals, regardless of what you think and yes Virginia, they do test all of them prior to slaughter and or secondary processing. As for your statement that I have not taken out of context regarding the OIE, you stated very clearly that:
You mention the OIE is not conducting testing of animals under the age of 20 months.
It might interest you to know that the OIE doesn't test any animals, regardless of their age. They simply make the policy that the rest of the world follows.
So now $hit-head, let me ask you something?
Tell us all what test it is that Creekstone wishes to use and where it originated from?? Also tell us why testing of cattle under 20 months is so wrong???
So before you run off at the mouth and imply that all I have are $$$$ in my eyes, give your single-cell brain a shake and consider what I have just written.
The fact is simple and if I write this slowly, maybe you might have a better chance of understanding it clearly:
I cannot possibly sell my test until it is recognized and approved!! PERIOD!!! That means it must pass all tests and then be reviewed by the OIE and their selected panel of experts.
You imply that it was "....NOT APPROVED BY CANADA OR THE US."
How on earth can it be approved in either country when both the USA and CANADA have no say at all as to which test is approved or not approved. They are bound by mandated agreements to follow the rulings of the OIE. That is one little mistake you have made right there pal.
The reason that the OIE has suggested that it is not necessary to test cattle under the age of 20 months is largely due to the known and accepted incubation period for this TSE. However, the fact is that they also recognize the potential for veritcal transmission of the protein and to that end scientist around the world have been trying to develop a test that will detect the presence of PrPsc in younger animals - not due to their age - but due, in part, to the fact that a younger animal is far less likely to have the infectious protein in the first place and if it has got it, there is currently no test that will identify the presence of the early infection in an animal of that age. We are confident that our will - because all of our lab tests in your United States National Prion Surveillance Centre, a lab sanctioned by the USDA, has confirmed that it will.
But remember, if that animal has contracted the disease due to veritical transmission, then there is a strong chance that it is a serious carrier of PrPsc at an early sub-20 month age and should that animal be slaughtered under the current scrutiny, then PrPsc will most defintely enter the human food chain.
Lastly, the Japanese still tests every single animal that enters their country and all of their domestic animals, regardless of what you think and yes Virginia, they do test all of them prior to slaughter and or secondary processing. As for your statement that I have not taken out of context regarding the OIE, you stated very clearly that:
You mention the OIE is not conducting testing of animals under the age of 20 months.
It might interest you to know that the OIE doesn't test any animals, regardless of their age. They simply make the policy that the rest of the world follows.
So now $hit-head, let me ask you something?
Tell us all what test it is that Creekstone wishes to use and where it originated from?? Also tell us why testing of cattle under 20 months is so wrong???
"Sh!tHead writes: "I am very well aware of every facet of this industry."
"Sh!tHead writes, "First, I never pretended to know every facet of the industry and I never made that claim." :liar: :liar: :liar:
When he gets caught lying he just digs himself in deeper by telling more lies! :shock:
Sh!tHead writes: I never used the word "facet" and I never made that claim :liar: :liar: :liar:
Sh!tHead writes: Then, and only then, did I say that I understand each facet of this industry :? :liar: :liar: :help:
But wait, you just said you didn't , now you are admitting again that you did! :???: :???: :???:
Sh!tHead writes: you are taking me out of context :cry2: :cry2: :cry2:
Kinda tough living by the rules you make up as you go along isn't it Sh!tHead? :shock: There is an old rule that says if you find yourself in a hole, the best thing to do is to stop digging! You are pathetic!
"Sh!tHead writes, "First, I never pretended to know every facet of the industry and I never made that claim." :liar: :liar: :liar:
When he gets caught lying he just digs himself in deeper by telling more lies! :shock:
Sh!tHead writes: I never used the word "facet" and I never made that claim :liar: :liar: :liar:
Sh!tHead writes: Then, and only then, did I say that I understand each facet of this industry :? :liar: :liar: :help:
But wait, you just said you didn't , now you are admitting again that you did! :???: :???: :???:
Sh!tHead writes: you are taking me out of context :cry2: :cry2: :cry2:
Kinda tough living by the rules you make up as you go along isn't it Sh!tHead? :shock: There is an old rule that says if you find yourself in a hole, the best thing to do is to stop digging! You are pathetic!