Am I on the right track?

[SHAWN]

I am new to raising beef cattle, I have bought some registered polled hereford first and second calvers from a 4th generation ranch. I am planning on breeding them to a black angus bull and keep the f-1s and breed back black angus. any advise?[/b]

 

[Mrs.Greg]

Ya..make that Angus a red one and you'll be on the right track :wink:

 

[jigs]

put a horned Hereford bull, with a good Canadian influence on those cows.....

 

[murph]

Don't let those canadians talk you out of raising those good black baldy and mots. They dont get any better than that! Your on the right track!

 

[Mrs.Greg]

Don't let those canadians talk you out of raising those good black baldy and mots. They dont get any better than that! Your on the right track!

Jigs isn't Canadian,just a smart American

 

[PPRM]

I have a hard time arguing against Black Baldies........I think you have a good start there, Good Luck,

PPRM

 

[jigs]

Don't let those canadians talk you out of raising those good black baldy and mots. They dont get any better than that! Your on the right track!

Jigs isn't Canadian,just a smart American

and Mrs. Greg is one hot mamma...she is why the snow melts in Canada.


just returnin the compliment.....do not sic Greg on me!

 

[Mrs.Greg]

Note to self.."Be careful about complimenting Jigs" :lol: :lol:

Thanks Jigs,but haven't been a hot mama in twenty years

 

[Northern Rancher]

Ohh please lol.

 

[jigs]

Note to self.."Be careful about complimenting Jigs" :lol: :lol:

Thanks Jigs,but haven't been a hot mama in twenty years

beauty is in the eye of he who holds her!

age and perception of beauty is a funny thing. in high school, we talked about how no woman over 27 would be considered sexy. because most had kids by then or other reasons. then in college, 30 year old women were not out of the question, a pulse was about all that was needed some nights to make them attractive! now as I creep in on being 40, I notice there are some 55-60 year old women that are still pretty darn good looking, and the 20 yr olds are losing their appeal.
wife says I am finally maturing....I find that hard to believe.

 

[Denny]

Note to self.."Be careful about complimenting Jigs" :lol: :lol:

Thanks Jigs,but haven't been a hot mama in twenty years

beauty is in the eye of he who holds her!

age and perception of beauty is a funny thing. in high school, we talked about how no woman over 27 would be considered sexy. because most had kids by then or other reasons. then in college, 30 year old women were not out of the question, a pulse was about all that was needed some nights to make them attractive! now as I creep in on being 40, I notice there are some 55-60 year old women that are still pretty darn good looking, and the 20 yr olds are losing their appeal.
wife says I am finally maturing....I find that hard to believe.

Something about an overweight 20 year old with a 1/2 shirt that does'nt appeal to me either :wink:

 

[aplusmnt]

I am new to raising beef cattle, I have bought some registered polled hereford first and second calvers from a 4th generation ranch. I am planning on breeding them to a black angus bull and keep the f-1s and breed back black angus. any advise?[/b]

Sounds like a good idea to me. Hard to beat Black Baldies in our area. I am wanting to go the direction you are in future. You could go with either a Hereford or Angus bull on the Baldies or you could throw something like a Simmental into the twist also in my opinion.

I am going to rotate around with Angus, Hereford and Simmental in the future. Should be good with keeping females or Terminal.

 

[SHAWN]

Thanks for the input. A good friend of mine does alot of AI breeding, he wants to take for groups of 10 baldy cows of mine and breed one group sim, one black angus, one char., and one back hereford. Then see what does the best per head. :???:

 

[Shorthornguy]

Do your own thing. Select your breed of choice and go for it.
Good Luck

:lol: :lol: Yep, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Gotta be mature. I just don't know about these kids under 50. :lol: :lol:

 

[Denny]

Thanks for the input. A good friend of mine does alot of AI breeding, he wants to take for groups of 10 baldy cows of mine and breed one group sim, one black angus, one char., and one back hereford. Then see what does the best per head. :???:

Not to tell you your business but a FRIEND would'nt ask you to screw up your herd with his experiment.

If you allow
this you will have a group of mismatched mixed up junk.Dont try to reinvent the wheel plenty of people have tried every cross there is and come sale day their calves get sorted into a dozen small groups of which none ever bring top dollar. Now take a semi load lot of even uniform calves of the same genetic back ground and you will top the market.

Go find the successful guy's in your area and see what they have.You will find that they all have a matching set of cows that produce a consistant calf crop.The guys who experiment have a montage of sizes shapes and colors.My uncle had this program it cost him an easy $100 a head less every year all of which comes off the profit.

Those black baldies are tough to beat.

Best thing for a hereford cow is a black angus bull.

If you want to see what a mixture of different crosses looks like go to a cow sale they will be all the cheap cows at the end.The good black's and baldies will top the cow sales also.

It takes a lifetime to build up a good cowherd and one generation to screw it up.I've seen it within my family between my dad and uncle.My uncle started with hereford cows bred black then he bred them simmental then charlaios then he started with black angus that went on for several years then he got an idea to breed them to a Scottish highlander well to make a long story short we just came off the highest feeder calf prices in history and he never had a calf worth selling all junk now he's thrown in the towel.I lease his place now and thursday they shipped out the last of the highlanders.That is the best his place has looked in 15 years.My dad would buy anything any color any size and our herd looked it.

Good luck.just pick a direction and don't waver from it if you choose simmental then build a herd around that.I grew up in the simmental boom the simmental's now in no way are the same as those of 25 years ago.Now they have more angus blood in them it's a joke if I want angus thats what I will buy not some 7/8ths angus paradeing around as a Black simmental.

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

Shawn, I'll second what Aplus said about Simm on the F1 baldies. I did this for years and had great luck. I got away from the Simm crosses for a couple years to try straight British three way crosses, but believe I lost some weight and feed efficiency on the calves.

Rod

 

[Soapweed]

Thanks for the input. A good friend of mine does alot of AI breeding, he wants to take for groups of 10 baldy cows of mine and breed one group sim, one black angus, one char., and one back hereford. Then see what does the best per head. :???:

Not to tell you your business but a FRIEND would'nt ask you to screw up your herd with his experiment.

If you allow
this you will have a group of mismatched mixed up junk.Dont try to reinvent the wheel plenty of people have tried every cross there is and come sale day their calves get sorted into a dozen small groups of which none ever bring top dollar. Now take a semi load lot of even uniform calves of the same genetic back ground and you will top the market.

Go find the successful guy's in your area and see what they have.You will find that they all have a matching set of cows that produce a consistant calf crop.The guys who experiment have a montage of sizes shapes and colors.My uncle had this program it cost him an easy $100 a head less every year all of which comes off the profit.

Those black baldies are tough to beat.

Best thing for a hereford cow is a black angus bull.

If you want to see what a mixture of different crosses looks like go to a cow sale they will be all the cheap cows at the end.The good black's and baldies will top the cow sales also.

It takes a lifetime to build up a good cowherd and one generation to screw it up.I've seen it within my family between my dad and uncle.My uncle started with hereford cows bred black then he bred them simmental then charlaios then he started with black angus that went on for several years then he got an idea to breed them to a Scottish highlander well to make a long story short we just came off the highest feeder calf prices in history and he never had a calf worth selling all junk now he's thrown in the towel.I lease his place now and thursday they shipped out the last of the highlanders.That is the best his place has looked in 15 years.My dad would buy anything any color any size and our herd looked it.

Good luck.just pick a direction and don't waver from it if you choose simmental then build a herd around that.I grew up in the simmental boom the simmental's now in no way are the same as those of 25 years ago.Now they have more angus blood in them it's a joke if I want angus thats what I will buy not some 7/8ths angus paradeing around as a Black simmental.

Those are very good thoughts, Denny. Crossbreeding is fine if done in an organized fashion, but it can become a nightmare if done wrong.

Back in 1993, my family and I were in Alabama to attend a wedding. While there we visited a ranch. This place ran a hundred cows, with each cow looking enough different from the herd mates that ear tags were unnecessary. Each cow had a name. There were four bulls in with these cows. One bull was Polled Hereford, there was one Simmental, one Santa Gertrudis, and one Limousin. The bulls always ran with the cows, and the calving season was year-round. I asked the owner how their calves were marketed, and he said they took a horse trailer load at a time into Montgomery to a sale barn. I then asked if the whole trailer load of calves sold together, and he said that it was usually one calf at a time, maybe two or three at the most. My next question wondered if they had ever considered getting all bulls from the same breed so as to get more uniformity in the calves. His answer was, "No, the buyers like crossbred calves." :???: :?

Buyers like "crossbred calves" if they can be assured of the parentage and if there are enough crossbred calves that are alike so that they will be finished out at approximately the same time. For instance, Charolais sired calves out of Angus and F1 Hereford-Angus cows makes for a very saleable offering. Undocumented hodge-podge cross mis-matched calves though always take a beating at the sale barn.

This same Aalabama agricultural operation back then was also feeding out 60,000 chickens at any one time. The chickens were all as uniform as could be. Is it any wonder that chickens are overtaking beef, if the consumer can be assured of consistent quality and taste? We in the beef industry sometimes shoot ourselves in the foot by not having a product that is consistent in quality and taste. If the consumer can't go to the meat market and get the same tasting product two times in a row, they might not come back.

 

[Faster horses]

Good advice, Soapweed, IMHO. Right on about the crossbreeding
business.

Amazing what goes on with cattle around the country.
In areas like yours and ours and some of the
others on here (Tap, OT, mtrancher, rancher come to mind),
where cattle are run as the
main income, you don't see much variation in cattle.
Some, but not much. That should be a lesson to these
people starting small herds. Keep your calf crop uniform
as possible. If it's crossbreeding, keep them a uniform
cross.

 

[SHAWN]

Well I talked to the man who owns 5 of the sale barns in our area and asked him his opinion, then I talked to a couple of buyers here. It was the same answer from everyone, breed the f-1 hereford and black angus cows to a black angus bull. in a couple years they said I may want to put some hereford back in to the herd to keep them efficient. So come mid May I will be turing out black angus bulls! Thanks for the info. Shawn

 

[PPRM]

Just my thots, But I have had great success with Angus/Simmental CrossBulls......That might be a good cross on the F-1 Cows, Maybe the Hiefers depending on the Heifer and Bull, I don't pull calves either, <Knocking real hard on wood, LOL>

PPRM