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And, the Other Story

randiliana

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Now, as to the bull that is getting a ride to town. This pasture is a little closer to home, only 1/2 hour away. In beautiful prairie country with huge hills and some darn steep coulees. The lady that we rent from calls us up about some cows being out, she says she will go out and count to see what is missing. Comes up with the bull and one pair missing.

So the next morning we load up the two most experienced horses, and the 2 dogs. Of course this has to be one of the hottest, muggiest days we have had to this point. After searching the section or so of land that this bull and cow should be on, we finally track down the bull. In the meantime we find that some of the neighbour's cows are in some of our rented land, one of his bulls is having a discussion across the fence with a different neighbour's bull and our fella is happily courting a lady. What makes life even more interesting, is the fact that THESE cows are not used to being handled by horses, and they take off at the first sign of one. Which means the easy way, of taking the bull back with the cow and then separating them will not work. So we do it the hard way. Separate them, and head the bull back by himself. This seems to be working OK, until suddenly he realizes that his lady friend is left behind. Then it is off at a gallop, through a fence(if you want to call it that) twice. Then, back through the cows, which are scattering in 100 directions, and again off the way we want him. In the meantime our dogs are worn out. Not used to the heat or the hills. The younger one keeps working until he gets booted and then that is it for him. He wasn't hurt, but tired enough to be discouraged. We finally get the bull up the last hill to about 100 feet from the hole in the fence. This is where the stand off happens.

Picture 1 PO'd 2000 lb bull, 2 wiped out dogs and 2 sweaty 1/2 tired horses. He is faced up to us, and he is hot, tired and mean. But since we are only a few feet from the gate, I decide to see if he is bluff or not. NOT, as soon as my horse takes a couple steps toward him, he comes for us. I ride a big horse, but he's not big enough to take on a 2000 lb bull. We wheel, and get out of there, although DH says he was awfully close to hitting the horse. This is why we use the most experienced horses for job's like these. The bull tried us again, and we decided to head back to the yard for the truck, and maybe a gun. By this time, I am to the point that if he wasn't worth a bit of money, I WOULD just drop him where he stood.

So DH heads out with the truck to try the bull, and I head out on the horse to chase the aforementioned neighbour's cows back onto his side of the fence and see how bad the fence is. Turns out that as soon as the bull sees the truck, he decides he would rather head back home, that to have that fight again (he has tasted the grillguard before). I get the cows out, see that the fence is pretty much completely destroyed, beyond my ability with fencing pliers. And then head over to our cows, to help bring the bull in so we can load him and haul him home. Easier to bring in the entire bunch than just this bull. Then it is load the horses, the bull and head back to fix the fence. Get that done, and now the bull is waiting for Tuesday to go to town. I won't miss him.

He has been a bit of a problem all spring. Facing up the horses, crawling fences and so on. Thought we could make the breeding season with him, and we almost did. He won't see another breeding season. Don't know how some people can keep a bull around til they are 8 years old or older. This guy is 5 and already he is to dangerous to keep around. Got 1 other 5 year old, and I hope he keeps his manners for a couple more years!!

As to the missing cow, it turns out that none of us can count right. She never was missing.
 
Glad he didn't catch you on your horse.
Makes no sense to keep a dangerous animal.
I was going to ask why you didn't have the gun with you in the first place. Hubby always takes his with him. He will load the first 2 shots with bird shot, then the next ones are hot loads.
 
I Luv Herfrds said:
Glad he didn't catch you on your horse.
Makes no sense to keep a dangerous animal.
I was going to ask why you didn't have the gun with you in the first place. Hubby always takes his with him. He will load the first 2 shots with bird shot, then the next ones are hot loads.

Honestly I don't know anyone that carries a gun with them on horseback. Very rarely need to in this country. No major predators, and you can usually get very close to whatever you would need a gun for with a truck. Can't neccessarily chase cows with a truck, but you could get close enough to a down, or injured animal with one.
 
Back in the 50's a Meat Co. leased the ranch next to us _ They bought a couple loads of Cattle out of Nevada (Like Deer) Cross one ridge and they'd be 2 in front of ya...

Meat Co. cowboys moved out and left 26 cows that I know of (Caught) thanks to good Old Power River Panels and the fact that I also cut a hole in the fence that let them into our perment Pasture...

Took 6 (?) months before I could ride a horse or work dogs around them.
Put me over a fence more than Once

At 18 years _ 6 months for 26 Bred rangy cows was good money.
As I recall $200 + per/ea
The big Jobs was Dehorning and Brand Inspection.
Luckily the BI Knew Me and Their History
 
You should have called on Azcowmangler, he'd have roped the bull and stuffed his eyes full of copenhagen. Saved yourself a lot of work. :wink:

We can't run bulls that old. They get too mean. Best to get rid of them at 4 or 5 we have found.--just being safe...

Glad no one was hurt. Ain't no bovine worth hurtin' a good horse over... :shock:
 
Bulls... don't you just love them. I wish I could figure out how to run all yearling bulls like Soapweed does. Life would be a lot easier :D .

I think as soon as a bull faces you or starts looking off in another direction while gathering, they need to go. Not saying I always get rid of them at that point, but ideally they need loaded up.

I'm going to start pulling bulls soon, and am wondering how it will all go. I've only seen two of the bulls I sent to the forest, and one was two miles away, in the wrong pasture, heading for the neighbor's cows. He loaded right up, and is home for now... don't believe I'll feed him through another winter :wink: . Since we haven't had to move the forest cows into another pasture yet, I kinda hate taking them out until we move and stir them up a bit... always brings most anything not bred into heat. That opportunity may not happen this year, and I may be faced with more opens.

Glad no one got hurt during your bull gather :wink: .
 
Faster horses said:
You should have called on Azcowmangler, he'd have roped the bull and stuffed his eyes full of copenhagen. Saved yourself a lot of work. :wink:

We can't run bulls that old. They get too mean. Best to get rid of them at 4 or 5 we have found.--just being safe...

Glad no one was hurt. Ain't no bovine worth hurtin' a good horse over... :shock:

Darn, wish I'd thought of that :wink: .

The oldest bull we ever kept was 6. Most of them don't last past 4. Which as it turns out is what this fella is. Just got done Age Verifying him as he is not a registered bulls. Right now, that should bring us an extra 5 cents a pound.
 
WyomingRancher said:
Bulls... don't you just love them. I wish I could figure out how to run all yearling bulls like Soapweed does. Life would be a lot easier :D .

I think as soon as a bull faces you or starts looking off in another direction while gathering, they need to go. Not saying I always get rid of them at that point, but ideally they need loaded up.

I'm going to start pulling bulls soon, and am wondering how it will all go. I've only seen two of the bulls I sent to the forest, and one was two miles away, in the wrong pasture, heading for the neighbor's cows. He loaded right up, and is home for now... don't believe I'll feed him through another winter :wink: . Since we haven't had to move the forest cows into another pasture yet, I kinda hate taking them out until we move and stir them up a bit... always brings most anything not bred into heat. That opportunity may not happen this year, and I may be faced with more opens.

Glad no one got hurt during your bull gather :wink: .

I agree with you, but like you, they don't always go when they first start showing signs of aggressiveness. I'd like to figure out a way to get away from bulls altogether, but with pastures 2 hours away it just isn't feasable. And yearlings would be great, but the depreciation on bulls here just doesn't allow that to work either. Nothing like paying $3000 and selling him after a season for under a $1000.

We will start to gather up the bulls around July 20. Depending on their attitudes we will either just bring them in alone, or bring them in with a bunch of cows. We usually don't have big problems gathering. Although we have spent 4 hours trying to get them loaded :mad:.
 
randiliana said:
Nothing like paying $3000 and selling him after a season for under a $1000.

You sure summed that up right :D . The other permittee and I were discussing that exact topic and she made an excellent point. She pointed out that we measure bulls for all important economic traits, but no measurement is taken to predict if the darn things will actually stay with and breed your cows. That seems to be the most important measurement... kinda trumps the rest of the performance in a bull if you don't get a calf out of them :lol: .

It's also funny as bulls age, how if their egos get slammed, they will quit breeding all together. I try to put bulls out together that get along, but sometimes you have to go with what you got. I left one older bull in with cows I left home, and put the heifers and their two young bulls with them. Wrong thing to do! The older bull was completely upset with the deal and hid out for a bit, but is now back in with them :roll: . I guess he got over it :lol: . Egos aside, I just hope they got the cows bred.
 
WyomingRancher said:
randiliana said:
Nothing like paying $3000 and selling him after a season for under a $1000.

You sure summed that up right :D . The other permittee and I were discussing that exact topic and she made an excellent point. She pointed out that we measure bulls for all important economic traits, but no measurement is taken to predict if the darn things will actually stay with and breed your cows. That seems to be the most important measurement... kinda trumps the rest of the performance in a bull if you don't get a calf out of them :lol: .

It's also funny as bulls age, how if their egos get slammed, they will quit breeding all together. I try to put bulls out together that get along, but sometimes you have to go with what you got. I left one older bull in with cows I left home, and put the heifers and their two young bulls with them. Wrong thing to do! The older bull was completely upset with the deal and hid out for a bit, but is now back in with them :roll: . I guess he got over it :lol: . Egos aside, I just hope they got the cows bred.

That would be a nice thing to know, for sure. Doesn't matter how good his own performance was if he doesn't pass it on :evil:

We have had bulls that simply quit breeding. They tested good, but all they did all summer was lay on the hillside. Don't think it had anything to do with ego, as he was by himself. We generally run 1 bull to a pasture for the first cycle. Then they usually wreck fence or gates and we leave them together. This year though they didn't make 2 weeks before destroying the gates.
 

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