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Political attacks came from Romania
Sands files complaint with commissioner of political practices
By TOM LUTEY
Of The Gazette Staff

Republicans, furious about negative campaign phone calls made by Democrats last week in Billings, did everything but label the tactic un-American.

Turns out, they could have.

The calls were made from Romania, according to phone records submitted this week to the state commissioner of political practices.

Jack Sands, a GOP candidate in Senate District 27 and the target of the Oct. 12 calls, filed the complaint alleging that the people making the calls didn't identify who they were calling for. Senate District 27 includes parts of Billings and Yellowstone County. State law prohibits anonymous election material. "They're obviously spending thousands of dollars to defeat me," Sands said. "You'd think the least they could have done was to provide some jobs in Montana instead of exporting jobs to Romania. Maybe they couldn't find Montanans with the stomach to make the calls."

The gist of the calls, according to voters who spoke with The Gazette last week, was that Sands supports drug dealers and wants to keep them out of prison. What they didn't say was that Sands is a criminal defense attorney who represents the accused for a living.

Often, the people making the calls failed to identify with whom they were affiliated, provided unverifiable names or hung up. Voters with caller ID said the source phone number for the negative calls came up 406-000-0000.

Sands hired a detective, Dale Mortensen, to trace the origin of the calls. Mortensen worked with voter Echo Jamieson, who got Bresnan Communications to release its log of incoming and outgoing calls related to her account. The 406-000-0000 calls, of which Jamieson received six in four hours, originated in Romania, according to Bresnan.

Wednesday, Political Practices Commissioner Dennis Unsworth said Sands' complaint against the Montana Democratic Party met the procedural requirements for consideration. The Democrats will be asked to respond to the charge. Afterward, the commissioner will have to decide whether a full investigation is necessary. In the final weeks before the Nov. 4 election, the compliance cases are beginning to pile up at the commissioner's office.

"Our docket sits at 35 complaints," Unsworth said. "Now, that's a lot. On average this office has been receiving six, eight, maybe 10 complaints a year. We've received 12 in the last two weeks."

Not all offenses reach the commissioner's office. Opponents of incumbent Rep. Wanda Grinde attacked the Heights Democrat for having an "environmental extremist" voting record, but it didn't back the charge up by citing Grinde's actual record, as required by law. Grinde represents House District 48.

Both the Republican and Democratic parties have conducted "message testing" in the state Senate race between radio personality Taylor Brown and incumbent Sen. Lane Larson, D-Lockwood. In a nutshell, message testing involves polling about a certain candidate by asking voters if they would be less likely to support the candidate after hearing a few unflattering statements from the caller. In some cases, the statements by surveyors in Larson's Senate District 22 have been misleading and even false. The district includes portions of Yellowstone, Treasure, Custer and Rosebud counties.

Winning Connection, a Washington D.C.-based polling firm, was calling voters in the Brown-Larson race last week suggesting that Brown owned a ranch where hunters were charged for game, which the Republican candidate refutes. Earlier, Republican surveyors were suggesting that Larson voted to double a state tax on cell phones. The tax doesn't exist.

Last week, a Montana Democratic Party spokesman said the party was behind phone calls against Sands. It had earlier sent out a flier stating that "Sands has made a career of defending some of the most notorious criminals in Billings." The ad sported Sands' photo, a dark ski mask, a handgun and handcuffs and was signed by Art Noonan, executive director of the Montana Democratic Party.

Sands is running against Gary Branae, an incumbent Democratic representative trying to cross over to the state Senate.

Democratic Party spokesman Kevin O'Brien said Tuesday that the party had instructed Winning Connections and others calling on its behalf to disclose who they were calling for. He said calls were made from the United States.

While Sands is challenging the calls on disclosure violations, O'Brien said the Republican isn't challenging the truth of what was being said, including the Democratic Party's allegation that as a legislator 21 years ago, Sands sponsored a bill to permanently reduce public school funding.

Sands this week said the bill to which Democrats are referring was drawn up as a law of last resort to help fix a state budget that was in crisis. He was chairman of the House Education Committee, which was prepared to cut education funding if necessary to balance a tight state budget, as required by law. The bill was tabled in committee, Sands said, after it became clear that the cut wasn't needed.


Published on Thursday, October 23, 2008.
 
sw said:
Political attacks came from Romania
Sands files complaint with commissioner of political practices
By TOM LUTEY
Of The Gazette Staff

Republicans, furious about negative campaign phone calls made by Democrats last week in Billings, did everything but label the tactic un-American.

Turns out, they could have.

The calls were made from Romania, according to phone records submitted this week to the state commissioner of political practices.

Jack Sands, a GOP candidate in Senate District 27 and the target of the Oct. 12 calls, filed the complaint alleging that the people making the calls didn't identify who they were calling for. Senate District 27 includes parts of Billings and Yellowstone County. State law prohibits anonymous election material. "They're obviously spending thousands of dollars to defeat me," Sands said. "You'd think the least they could have done was to provide some jobs in Montana instead of exporting jobs to Romania. Maybe they couldn't find Montanans with the stomach to make the calls."

The gist of the calls, according to voters who spoke with The Gazette last week, was that Sands supports drug dealers and wants to keep them out of prison. What they didn't say was that Sands is a criminal defense attorney who represents the accused for a living.

Often, the people making the calls failed to identify with whom they were affiliated, provided unverifiable names or hung up. Voters with caller ID said the source phone number for the negative calls came up 406-000-0000.

Sands hired a detective, Dale Mortensen, to trace the origin of the calls. Mortensen worked with voter Echo Jamieson, who got Bresnan Communications to release its log of incoming and outgoing calls related to her account. The 406-000-0000 calls, of which Jamieson received six in four hours, originated in Romania, according to Bresnan.

Wednesday, Political Practices Commissioner Dennis Unsworth said Sands' complaint against the Montana Democratic Party met the procedural requirements for consideration. The Democrats will be asked to respond to the charge. Afterward, the commissioner will have to decide whether a full investigation is necessary. In the final weeks before the Nov. 4 election, the compliance cases are beginning to pile up at the commissioner's office.

"Our docket sits at 35 complaints," Unsworth said. "Now, that's a lot. On average this office has been receiving six, eight, maybe 10 complaints a year. We've received 12 in the last two weeks."

Not all offenses reach the commissioner's office. Opponents of incumbent Rep. Wanda Grinde attacked the Heights Democrat for having an "environmental extremist" voting record, but it didn't back the charge up by citing Grinde's actual record, as required by law. Grinde represents House District 48.

Both the Republican and Democratic parties have conducted "message testing" in the state Senate race between radio personality Taylor Brown and incumbent Sen. Lane Larson, D-Lockwood. In a nutshell, message testing involves polling about a certain candidate by asking voters if they would be less likely to support the candidate after hearing a few unflattering statements from the caller. In some cases, the statements by surveyors in Larson's Senate District 22 have been misleading and even false. The district includes portions of Yellowstone, Treasure, Custer and Rosebud counties.

Winning Connection, a Washington D.C.-based polling firm, was calling voters in the Brown-Larson race last week suggesting that Brown owned a ranch where hunters were charged for game, which the Republican candidate refutes. Earlier, Republican surveyors were suggesting that Larson voted to double a state tax on cell phones. The tax doesn't exist.

Last week, a Montana Democratic Party spokesman said the party was behind phone calls against Sands. It had earlier sent out a flier stating that "Sands has made a career of defending some of the most notorious criminals in Billings." The ad sported Sands' photo, a dark ski mask, a handgun and handcuffs and was signed by Art Noonan, executive director of the Montana Democratic Party.

Sands is running against Gary Branae, an incumbent Democratic representative trying to cross over to the state Senate.

Democratic Party spokesman Kevin O'Brien said Tuesday that the party had instructed Winning Connections and others calling on its behalf to disclose who they were calling for. He said calls were made from the United States.

While Sands is challenging the calls on disclosure violations, O'Brien said the Republican isn't challenging the truth of what was being said, including the Democratic Party's allegation that as a legislator 21 years ago, Sands sponsored a bill to permanently reduce public school funding.

Sands this week said the bill to which Democrats are referring was drawn up as a law of last resort to help fix a state budget that was in crisis. He was chairman of the House Education Committee, which was prepared to cut education funding if necessary to balance a tight state budget, as required by law. The bill was tabled in committee, Sands said, after it became clear that the cut wasn't needed.


Published on Thursday, October 23, 2008.


No not in Montana, don't you realize oldtime is a JUDGE ex SHERIFF in montana. he would NEVER allow anything like this to happen. He would issiue a court order to stop such things from happening!!!!
Or even worse delete the post
 
Republicans, furious about negative campaign phone calls made by Democrats last week in Billings, did everything but label the tactic un-American.

Turns out, they could have.

The calls were made from Romania, according to phone records submitted this week to the state commissioner of political practices.


Yep that is something I definitely disagree with--even more than 2 years ago when I received several robocalls for the Burns campaign- that were being made from the state of Virginia...Don't any of these politicians want to put money back into their state :???:

Interesting poll results in this MSU-B poll (which I actually got called and polled on this last weekend :shock: )

And interestingly- unlike the other polls that did not poll 3rd party candidates- this one is closer to the predicted 6-8 % that will vote for neither candidates and instead go 3rd party...I actually think it may be higher than that when folks realize Paul is on the ballot- which I don't think many know....That could be the deciding factor on who wins Montana...Be pretty amazing if Obama won- altho it would not surprise me that much....

Presidential race too close to call in Montana, poll finds
By MARY PICKETT
Of The Gazette Staff

A Montana State University Billings survey finds that Barack Obama is in a statistical dead heat with John McCain among the state voters in the race for president.

A little more than 44 percent of the poll's respondents said they would vote for the Democratic candidate, and about 40 percent would vote for McCain.

Because those results fall within the plus or minus 5 percent margin of error for the poll, the two men are running neck and neck, said Craig Wilson, an MSU Billings political science professor who oversaw the survey.

Montana went for George Bush in the last two elections. Wilson attributed Obama's positive showing in the state to the current president's low approval rating among voters, the Iraq war and the faltering U.S. economy.

The MSU Billings poll showed that 60 percent of Montanans surveyed disapproved of Bush's job performance. Only about 28 percent approved of the job he was doing, down from 32 percent last year.

Nearly 56 percent of those polled said that they opposed the United States' decision to go to war in Iraq. Nearly 38 percent said they supported that move.

Seventy percent of people questioned said that the United States is somewhat likely or very likely to have an economic depression.

The MSU Billings poll also was among the few polls done in the state that included the names of all presidential candidates listed on the Montana ballot, Wilson said. The lineup includes Ron Paul of the Constitutional Party of the United States, who drew about 4 percent of people surveyed; Libertarian candidate Bob Barr, 1 percent; and Independent candidate Ralph Nader, .7 percent.
http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/10/23/news/local/24-kmsubpoll.txt
 
This is the kid that when I answered Independent for party preference he asked which party I normally leaned toward-- and when I answered "prior to the last 8 years of George Bush I had strongly leaned Republican, but wasn't sure if I could believe or trust anything another Repub said anymore"- the young college student taking the poll started laughing and said "forgive me- but you really wouldn't believe how many people are giving the identical answer".... :wink: :lol:
 
Oldtimer said:
This is the kid that when I answered Independent for party preference he asked which party I normally leaned toward-- and when I answered "prior to the last 8 years of George Bush I had strongly leaned Republican, but wasn't sure if I could believe or trust anything another Repub said anymore"- the young college student taking the poll started laughing and said "forgive me- but you really wouldn't believe how many people are giving the identical answer".... :wink: :lol:

They are paid to collect information, the more information the getthe more money! Guess him saying that kept you giving more information, wann bet he would have agreed with you no matter what? :roll: :roll:

Get real oldtimer you are stuck in a rut, get outside breath the air,instead of setting on your fat butt in front of one of the many tvs you have and you computors, your house must look like the tv section in walmart :D :D
 
Oldtimer said:
This is the kid that when I answered Independent for party preference he asked which party I normally leaned toward-- and when I answered "prior to the last 8 years of George Bush I had strongly leaned Republican, but wasn't sure if I could believe or trust anything another Repub said anymore"- the young college student taking the poll started laughing and said "forgive me- but you really wouldn't believe how many people are giving the identical answer".... :wink: :lol:

He was probably telling the truth. Amazing how many people always blame the President (dem or repub) not having a clue that congress is really the culprit and they keep electing these impotent jerks for 20-30 years.
 

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