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Murgen

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To whom it may concern:

Please take it easy on my kid "southdevon" he is only 11, and he can get pretty rowdy, I have read some of his comments. You all have a responsibility as representing Canadian Cattlemen and Cattlewomen, by getting so vile you aren't doing an exempilary job. Thankyou.

Hmmm? Now look at the posts his 11 yr. old son posted!

Anybody else know an 11 yr. old?

FRASERCATTLE, don't think you can come on here and attack with lies, you will be challenged. And that's for the personal attack on me! We all get a little hot under the collar sometimes on here, but be "man" enough to be truthful!

Quotes from an 11 yr. old!

1)I guess what i just want to know is what everyone thinks about this issue, what they think we should do to improve our status, and any other input. I am writing a paper with your input and suggestions, names WILL NOT BE MENTIONED, unless you request it.

2)Great, you guys post fast, i need opinions, blow off some steam if you want to, i need all angles. Personally, i am a member of R-CALF, and the MCA, and i need this input to have a non-bias view on this subject and learn more from a different perspective

3)Ok, good thread, keeping it alive by asking this:

4)If canada's quality control is so good, and they're government involvement is second to none why are the only cases of BSE reported in the US from canadian cattle, and why are canidian feedlots, and feeders still feeding animal by-products? You must clean the leaves out of the raingutter before the water will flow. STOP feeding animal by-products, and test, quarintene, and eliminate possible threats to the canidian food supply, and the american food supply.

4)The people that will benefit from the lowered cost of prescription drugs are the senior citizens, if i recall, they put up with raising and lowering cattle prices, canadian beef imports, and the depression, and now when they might not have social security in a couple of years, you are going to post a comment like that?!?! GROW UP

5)Cowsense,

I will interject some opinions every now and then to get a stimulus out of people, that makes for good views. If you think my head is in the sand, tell me where the cattle in confirmed cases of BSE in the US originated from, and why in a recent test of alberta, and BC feedlots did inspectors still find feeders that are using animal by-products? I am not blabbing about rcalf or anything, i want to know!

6)Manitoba Rancher:

The person that founded R-CALF is a very close friend of mine, I was sitting in his office when he wrote up the plan on a piece of paper, and showed it to my dad, several other people and I. The basic priciples of r-calf are detailed in their website, and the scewed views that all of the press releases, most notably NCBA reports say, are results of politicans pushing their agendas, and flowing through loopholes, the main goal of R-CALF is not to kill the Canadian cattle producer, but give the american cattle producer a voice loud enough to shout over the packers, the same packer that have been railing you for the past 15 years. R-CALF is setting an example for other beef industries, and the screaming is coming from special interest groups, lobbiest's, and packers because they are the ant under the magnifiying glass now, not the producers. Teddy Roosevelt said "Walk softly and carry a big stick." We have had enough of walking softly, and now we are using our sti ...

7)Yes I am an r-calf member, but i did not hide it, nor did i hide my name. I am proud of it, but i also like to hear the other side of the story. As for calling me an embarrasment, hmmmm. Well, there is no reason for mud-slinging, i just like a good debate, and i dont like it when people say things about people they do not know. That is very ignorant, please do not continue to do that. I have a open mind, and i can think for myself, i just choose to think differently than you, is that a bad thing?

8)yes, those are unconfirmed rumors that have been floating around and i wanted to hear some input

9)Yes I live in montana, and I am an "R-calf SoB" and i am proud to be one. Just because i am a member of R-CALF does not mean i cannot see the truth, but in this heated battle there are 2 types of truth, ours and yours. I know the people who talk about R-CALF, MCA, etc. and I have known them for a long time. Why would i believe you over them

10)Ok, you guys are getting out of line, I believe this could qualify as liable/slander. You talk about people you do not know, things you have no idea about and just rant and rave like a bunch of idiots. Maybe talk to these people, or research the topic before sputtering out random sentence fragments and making you look like a bunch of fools. If you feel this way, send Leo or bill a letter saying this, and if you don’t have the goods to do that, then shut it. Also, these GOOD men have the courage, and forethought to get off their ass and do something about their problems, and the problems of their friends, and all you guys can say is derogatory remarks. Wow, not much insight, or intellect here

11)Hat, you are correct, these people are actually trying to tell you that R-CALF is bad for the US cattle producer. Coming from a canadian, i just dont think they know what R-CALF has done for us, nut they sure as hell want it to stop, so they can have a piece of our pie! Why don't the canadians just try and help themselves, and quit bitching about how uncle sam wont help them. US is our country, and in it we come first. Canada sould help itself and quit whining to us.

12)Well, i havent seen and trucks with canadian cattle going by my door, which used to be all of the time. So i would say life on the front lines is good for now.

13)well, if the border was closed at the time that damn downer (CANADIAN) cow was found in washington, we would still be trading with japan, and global demand would still be high. Anyway, the border is closed, we can control the spread of disease in OUR country, and there are still countries that want our beef. Result : American prices are high, Canadian prices are low. I think you hae it backwards

14)Well, I asked for it and i got it. I wanted the other side of the story and much to my dismay, it is like my father says. We are right, and you guys are just whiners. Im sorry. I have all i need. I wont bother this AG CANADA forum anymore. But stop picking on my friends, it really p***** me off. If you dont, i will tell them to come on here, and your whining and rhetoric wont last. OK?

15)If all canadians are like you guys, no one would want to live there. Im done, wont see me anymore BYE
 

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Murgen... You better :stop: picking on that boy... you hear.. :wink: :lol2: :cowboy:
 

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When you poke someone in the eye with a stick to get there atention it doesn't usualy get a kindly reply :roll:
 

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That's exactly what happened, he poked me square in the eye!
 

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Murgan, that's why Randy called you a Meany!!! Good job by the way, the hiders are busted! Have a good day! BTW, Murgan, I'm sending you a whole wack more snow! Blowing like a banshee straight east, enjoy!
 

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Whiteface, will the snow reach here?, heck we need some more. the last stuff you sent just started melting in the bright sunshine this morning.
 

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Murgen,

Darn good job! Keep up the good work! :wink:


Theres supposed to be a wack of snow headed our way this week so we will send it your way Murgen ole boy!
 

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Thanks Manitoba, you wouldn't lie to me would you? Your integrity might be damaged, might not know when I can trust you and when I can't! Thanks for the snow, was getting a little dry around here. Only about 2 feet left in the fields!
 

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Thanks for the honesty now, Sam. In the future try not to post your son's thoughts as your own. Or vice versa! You've just redeemed yourself somewhat in my books. End of story! I'll read your posts with a different attitude now!
 

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I harbor no ill feelings towards anyone, we can be friends again. Anybody else getting a bunch of snow? We have 6 inches in the past hour or so.
 

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Long ways from you Fraser, but I hope it stops before it gets this way, we've had enough, sunny here and the snow is actually melting in the sunlight. Blew snow yesterday again though!
 

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I do!
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
 

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With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free

R-calfers should keep this line in mind, might just bite them in the rear later!
 

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South devon "The person that founded R-CALF is a very close friend of mine, I was sitting in his office when he wrote up the plan on a piece of paper, and showed it to my dad, several other people and I."



He must be the foremost expert on R-CALF as he has spent three quarters of his life working for R-CALF. He must have been 3 in 1998 during that brain storming session when they were planning on how to give Canadians grief. :cowboy:
 

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Pretty articulate 11 year old I must say-puts my daughter the 2003 provincial 4H champion to shame even. Didn't they start brainwashing kids in Germany a few years back.
 

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have to reply, cannot help it. This wet behind the ears does not live that far away. Wifey said last night that it is a sad mistake that a parent/ grandparent would put a kid in this position and post with informed people going to chew him up, can't be 11 grandpa is telling him what to tell, excuse me, I have an eleven year old that is above all grade tests and will not tell anyone the lies. PERI0D. NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD PUT THEIR KIDS IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS. GET A CLUE. Also.
I have reponded to this a number of times, I am not Canadian, I am a BEEF PRODUCER. WHo the hell are going to buy your calves if not a feedlot who sells to a packer?
 

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sw said:
have to reply, cannot help it. This wet behind the ears does not live that far away. Wifey said last night that it is a sad mistake that a parent/ grandparent would put a kid in this position and post with informed people going to chew him up, can't be 11 grandpa is telling him what to tell, excuse me, I have an eleven year old that is above all grade tests and will not tell anyone the lies. PERI0D. NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD PUT THEIR KIDS IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS. GET A CLUE. Also.
I have reponded to this a number of times, I am not Canadian, I am a BEEF PRODUCER. WHo the hell are going to buy your calves if not a feedlot who sells to a packer?

You are exactly right sw. We are all beef producers and have many challenges the are going to do more damage to ranching as we know it today then BSE. Their are too few rancher on both sides of the border to gain anything by fighting amongst ourselves. :cowboy:
 

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