Any Gelbvieh breeders?
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Faster horses
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Hanta yo and SW raise Gelbvieh. They haven't been here much of
late. However, Hanta did make a post yesterday on Political Bull.
You might send her a PM. I'll bet she knows the bull you are asking
about. They keep up on Gelbvieh bloodlines/genetics.
Hope this helps!
Welcome to the forum, by the way.
late. However, Hanta did make a post yesterday on Political Bull.
You might send her a PM. I'll bet she knows the bull you are asking
about. They keep up on Gelbvieh bloodlines/genetics.
Hope this helps!
Welcome to the forum, by the way.
hillsdown
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cleland I have never used national or junior however I know a few breeders on here that have hopefully they will chime in.
Unfortunately alot have gotten fed up as of late with some stuff on here and ct and have left for good.
I do like that national bull and have seen some really nice calves out of him.
Unfortunately alot have gotten fed up as of late with some stuff on here and ct and have left for good.
I do like that national bull and have seen some really nice calves out of him.
Hay Feeder
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I know of three Gelbvieh breeders. One sold out because of personal reasons. One is breeding to Angus to get Balencers. The other has Balencers and Simmental.
One of these breeders has a bull that he has asked major AI studs to look at. One of the AI organizations told him they were not planning to add any more Gelbvieh or Balancers to their line up. However its is bacially impossible for anyone other than nationaly known name brand breeders to get a bull in a stud anyway. One of our livestock markets have been telling people to quite using anything Limousin. They claim the Limousin has no will to surive and will not grade. So their maybe a nich market for them (here anyway).
One of these breeders has a bull that he has asked major AI studs to look at. One of the AI organizations told him they were not planning to add any more Gelbvieh or Balancers to their line up. However its is bacially impossible for anyone other than nationaly known name brand breeders to get a bull in a stud anyway. One of our livestock markets have been telling people to quite using anything Limousin. They claim the Limousin has no will to surive and will not grade. So their maybe a nich market for them (here anyway).
cowwrangler
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i havent used any of them,i have heard good things 0n junior,i have used BooBoo,he made nice calves,i bred some hefeirs to Encore ,but no calves yet another week or so yet,i just bought a bull out of carolina fortune,havent used him yet,where are you trying to go with your herd?
Northern Rancher
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What neck of the woods are you from?
Im from southeast kansas. I try to keep moderate framed, easy doing cattle. I am wanting a bull that will maintain or add thickness and fleshing ability. We run registered Gelbvieh and Balancer cows and use Primarily Gelbvieh bulls, but from time to time and Angus or Red Angus on Heifers.
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Hay Feeder said:
Interesting...Must be a big drop in using Gelbvieh genetics- as I only know of one local PB Gelbvieh breeder- who over the years gradually went to balancers and now the other day when I got their catalog have more registered angus for sale than they do Gelbvieh or crosses... :shock:
We have one Gelbvieh bull, but I doubt most folks could pick him out of a linup on this place. I don't know his breeding, bloodlines mean less than nothing to me.
But he seems like a fair bull, and I haven't noticed any calves I don't like that I can blame on him. I wouldn't be afraid to use more Gelbviegh in the future, especially if the Blondes get harder to find. Seems like if you can keep your cow from becoming more than about 1/3 Angus it makes a nice animal.
But he seems like a fair bull, and I haven't noticed any calves I don't like that I can blame on him. I wouldn't be afraid to use more Gelbviegh in the future, especially if the Blondes get harder to find. Seems like if you can keep your cow from becoming more than about 1/3 Angus it makes a nice animal.
hillsdown
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Oldtimer said:
there are a hell of alot of top GV producers in Sask. that have bulls chosen for AI use by many different companies..
Let alone the rest of Canada and the states..
Not everyone is drinking the angus kool aid.
Big Muddy rancher
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Elwapo was a Gelbvieh breeder. McCoy farms runs them Davidsons fron Aneroid and Fladlens from Gladmar Sk.
leanin' H
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hillsdown said:
Forget It.
hillsdown
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leanin' H said:
H if you thought I was bashing angus, I was not. Proost / Gezundheid.
But to say that everyone has switched from Gv's to angus is bullshit and the last I heard Elwopa is still a dam good GV breeder and had some awesome AI bulls out there as well as my neighbors SLC. As well as who BMR mentioned plus a heck of alot more.
There is also a good reason why these guys do not post on here anymore.. It is a real shame..
NR sorry to misrepresent and bring you in. I misread a post my HUGE mistake please accept my appologies.
leanin' H
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Well I guess that makes me a koolaid drinker which may be offensive when ya think about it but i guess you didnt. :? I'd imagine if you are concerned about good folks getting run off this site, writing crap like that might be a good spot to start. I have no idea who left or what was said to offend them. Probably none of my beeswax. But your comment about Angus casts a pretty big loop. You might just catch more than you bargined for. :shock:
Or like I said before.....Forget it! :roll:
Or like I said before.....Forget it! :roll:
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IF everybody in town wore the same color of shirt and drove the same pickup it would be a rather dull world. Major breeds in my opion are Angus, Hereford, Charolais, new Simmental and Red Angus. Ofcourse nich eared breeds. One can cross those breeds once or twice and have some good cattle.
The hit with Gelbvieh is the feeder buyers buy them like Limousin or Limflex. I know they are not the same but just so different than the normal feeder calf order its pretty tough to fill pot loads of them with a competitive bid.
Several of the smaller breeds have some great traits but getting buyers to buy something that looks differnt is just a excuse for a low price. Even knowing the Gelvbieh may feed and grade better than some of the cattle they bought that day. I have tried raise breeds that are not generally popular it just does not work. ITs a tough bullet to bite. I have been there.
Just because cattle are black does not mean they are good either. But for some reason we have Balancers, Limflex, Black Simmnetal are now accepted as purebred Simmental...
Sorry about stepping on toes. But I think this brings up some good discussion for all of us.
The hit with Gelbvieh is the feeder buyers buy them like Limousin or Limflex. I know they are not the same but just so different than the normal feeder calf order its pretty tough to fill pot loads of them with a competitive bid.
Several of the smaller breeds have some great traits but getting buyers to buy something that looks differnt is just a excuse for a low price. Even knowing the Gelvbieh may feed and grade better than some of the cattle they bought that day. I have tried raise breeds that are not generally popular it just does not work. ITs a tough bullet to bite. I have been there.
Just because cattle are black does not mean they are good either. But for some reason we have Balancers, Limflex, Black Simmnetal are now accepted as purebred Simmental...
Sorry about stepping on toes. But I think this brings up some good discussion for all of us.
Big Muddy rancher
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I was going to stay out of this but of course i didn't know to leave well enough alone.
We talk about lots of breeds of cattle but I think there is more Angus bashing on this site then any other breed. The people who do have Angus know they are not perfect and accept that fact. But they are what works for us.
It seems to me the breeders of other breeds are more defensive and figure Angus breeders should be using something different.
I know I give the Hereford breeders the gears but we bought some Hereford cows this fall so I will suffer along with them. :wink:
As far as chasing off Gelbvieh breeders from this site I have never witnessed anything in regards to their cattle that would warrant them leaving. I quite enjoy looking at their cattle and county if the post pictures just as I would of Longhorns or Brahma or any other breed.
Just my opinion. :cowboy:
We talk about lots of breeds of cattle but I think there is more Angus bashing on this site then any other breed. The people who do have Angus know they are not perfect and accept that fact. But they are what works for us.
It seems to me the breeders of other breeds are more defensive and figure Angus breeders should be using something different.
I know I give the Hereford breeders the gears but we bought some Hereford cows this fall so I will suffer along with them. :wink:
As far as chasing off Gelbvieh breeders from this site I have never witnessed anything in regards to their cattle that would warrant them leaving. I quite enjoy looking at their cattle and county if the post pictures just as I would of Longhorns or Brahma or any other breed.
Just my opinion. :cowboy:
In the southeast Kansas/ Southwest missouri region where I am from Gelbvieh cattle are about as popular as angus. There are several large seedstock producers in this area incuding Judd Ranch, And Seedstock Plus. Judd Ranch sells about 200-250 bulls/year and seedstock probably sells twice that. To say that Gelbvieh are a niche market seems an odd statement, as the commercial cattleman around our area seems to not have a problem using Gelbvieh genetics, and the buyers are not having a problem buying them out of Joplin Regional Stockyards, or any other of the dozen sale barns within this area. Im not saying one breed is better than another, or picking sides or starting a fight, Im just saying that gelbvieh cattle are real world working cattle, not a novelty or a niche breed.
There's a few guys here with them and they get along just fine. If I ever do a terminal cross black Gelbveih would be my 1st choice Charlaios would be 2nd. My problem with switching gears is the chance of some gray colored calves. I was at the sale on wendsday they ran a 500# gray heifer thru was decent quality she brought 62 cents a black heifer like her would have been 90 cents.There was a guy that crossed black cows with black gelbvieh bulls here 25 years ago and his march/april born calves would weigh 600#s at weaning easily. They were'nt creep fed and was just a hay and grass outfit.We have black angus cattle because thats what the wife likes and when your drawing off a nurseing job it's best to do what the queen wants. I would'nt mind a herd of hereford cows and raise some baldies but momma says were not having a miss matched set of cows. It does look nice when your cows all line up in a hay row and they are of all one color.
In the angus breed there are enough genetics out there you can cover every aspect of the industry. If you want puds we've got them if you want maternal cattle we've got them. If you want terminal cattle we've got them all you need to do is sift thru the many breeders in the angus world. A good friend runs straight black cows and bulls calves starting march 10th his steers averaged 647# this past october no creep feed good hay and good pasture. All that in a nice uniform color and a herd where you could keep every heifer calf and be safe.
As far as people leaveing these sites I guess they take stuff to serious if someone can drive them off.I'd man up and admit the site was'nt interesting to me anymore but it's easier to blame someone else.
In the angus breed there are enough genetics out there you can cover every aspect of the industry. If you want puds we've got them if you want maternal cattle we've got them. If you want terminal cattle we've got them all you need to do is sift thru the many breeders in the angus world. A good friend runs straight black cows and bulls calves starting march 10th his steers averaged 647# this past october no creep feed good hay and good pasture. All that in a nice uniform color and a herd where you could keep every heifer calf and be safe.
As far as people leaveing these sites I guess they take stuff to serious if someone can drive them off.I'd man up and admit the site was'nt interesting to me anymore but it's easier to blame someone else.
katrina
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Gelbveih are a wonderful breed. Great mammas.... Call Ken Derry from the Wood S.D. area...
Northern Rancher
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I'm trying to figure out where I was drug in lol. I really liked the Gelbvieh cattle at Arnold Bros. in south dakota when I was there. There are still lots of good guppy cattle in western canada-valleyhills has a couple Belly River Bryce calves looked good last time I was there.