Any ideas?

[the_jersey_lilly_2000]

I don't have a video of this...but I will before long. Tank has an issue that Lil Lilly just can't seem to get him past/over. He's been on barrels maybe six months. 10 year old gelding.

Ok here's what he does. When she tries to slow work, he doesn't wanna trot. He'll walk fine. But at a trot, or slow lope about two stride he leaps forward. He's just wantin to run. But he needs to learn that he hasta go the speed she wants, not what he wants. Ok when he does this, she's been turnin him into a circle and workin him hard for a lil bit, then go back and try it again. He just keeps doin it. Any ideas on what she can do with him to break him from doin this? Sometimes he'll do it between 1st and 2nd if she tries to hold him back. It's like, in his mind, he thinks he's a finished barrel horse and doesn't wanna do slow work. He just wants to go go go all the time. He's fine at a walk....other than you can tell he really would rather be runnin.

 

[Jassy]

As you know I'm not a barrelracin expert..but with a horse we had that all he wanted to do is run...never trot...we did set up barrels for practice and made him go around them in all kinds of directions...not a barrel pattern, but turning him around the barrels to get him to slow down, cause he always wanted to run straight..it helped alot once he figured that he could trot and turn at the same time...so maybe by NOT doing the regular pattern will make him pay attention and wonder where to next??? Other than that...I have no idea...lol Good luck!

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Haul him to Nebraska and put him to work a Soap's or Jassy's doing the BIG circle and riding drag behind a bunch of pairs.

 

[the_jersey_lilly_2000]

LOL don't think I could afford a haul like that.

Found a video of him doin this. This time aint bad at all. The slower she tries to take him to the first...the bigger the leap.


http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b303/thejerseylilly2000/Lilly/?action=view&current=TankLeapin.flv

 

[MsSage]

Have you thought about contacting Joyce in Buffalo Tx?
As many Barrel horses and Barrel racers as she has trained I am sure she knows what needs to be done.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

LOL don't think I could afford a haul like that.

Found a video of him doin this. This time aint bad at all. The slower she tries to take him to the first...the bigger the leap.


http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b303/thejerseylilly2000/Lilly/?action=view&current=TankLeapin.flv

If you can't afford the haul then just ride him to Nebraska. He would be over it by the time your git there.

 

[the_jersey_lilly_2000]

Yeap hehe. Lil Lilly would look like that fella someone posted pictures of....ridin his horse cross country.

I'm really leanin towards maybe hock problems on this deal. And wouldn't ya know it, gotta appt with the vet today for a different horse. I sure would like to toss him in the trailer too and have them check him out while we are there. It's an hours drive......but I know how it is when someone brings extra, messes up their whole schedule. But I am gonna call and see if he has time to look at him.

 

[the_jersey_lilly_2000]

Haha...called and they said "Bring him" so we shall see.

 

[katrina]

Okay, since I did sleep at a Holiday Inn, here is my free advice.
There is nothing wrong physically with tank... I think he is ready to compete at a higher level... Lilly needs to let that boy run... Whip and ride girl he's bored and anticipating the first barrel.... I would say that he may be the type to pull down the road and just keep legged up... I don't know if I would do much practicing on him... I think he is a turn a burn type....
My old rope horse was as fast as lightening, but he had one rule and that was you be ready to rope, cuz when he was backed into the box, you better nodd and ride cuz he was going to be there.. Two swings and you were there. You didn't catch and he would pout. And you never threw two lopes cuz he would scotch on ya every time..
Let us know how ya turn out... First barrel looks pretty good from the view, but way wide on the second, third is decent...

 

[Jassy]

Haul him to Nebraska and put him to work a Soap's or Jassy's doing the BIG circle and riding drag behind a bunch of pairs.

My brother is flying up here thursday...send him along....lol

 

[the_jersey_lilly_2000]

He had some ulcers in the back of his mouth and a blind wolf tooth. The vet floated his teeth, very thorough ( I don't normally like the way vets do teeth ) but he did a good job. Then he split the gum and removed the tooth.

They did a full lameness exam, and turned up clean on all that. So that's good. So in a few days she can get back on him, and see what he does now. He said if he continues to leap....then it's between his ears and he needs some schoolin LOL Which I already knew. But it's possible that his mouth was botherin him enuff to do this.

Cash got another accupuncture treatment, along with chiro, but over all he's alot less sore. His head slingin they think, is caused from TMJ. But with the treatments they did two weeks ago, now he's not slingin his head nearly as bad as he was.

 

[the_jersey_lilly_2000]

Haul him to Nebraska and put him to work a Soap's or Jassy's doing the BIG circle and riding drag behind a bunch of pairs.

My brother is flying up here thursday...send him along....lol

LOL yeah...let Tank have the seat by the window, n your brother can feed him peanuts on the flight. :wink:

 

[katrina]

Keep us informed on his well being Lilly..... I forgot to say also that little lilly is doing and awesome job of riding... Great hands and seat.... Bravo...

 

[Faster horses]

Glad you had his teeth checked, Lilly. You know, that affects all kinds
of things.

One thing Wanda Bush used to teach (not that I'm a Wanda Bush fan)
but this was good...lope the barrel horses in circles (or ovals :wink: )
in front of the barrells (you know, the space between the first and second barrel and the arena fence) til they settle down and quit being so hot.
I don't think you can do it too much, unless a horse is hurting somewhere.
I saw it work on lots of horses that wanted to do that leaping deal...

Good luck!!!

Glad it wasn't his hocks, BTW. Sure could have been.

 

[the_jersey_lilly_2000]

One thing Wanda Bush used to teach (not that I'm a Wanda Bush fan)
but this was good...lope the barrel horses in circles (or ovals :wink: )
in front of the barrells (you know, the space between the first and second barrel and the arena fence) til they settle down and quit being so hot.
I don't think you can do it too much, unless a horse is hurting somewhere.
I saw it work on lots of horses that wanted to do that leaping deal...

She's been doin that, here at the house. Also just trottin and lopin circles off to the side of her pattern. There aren't any fences near her pattern here at the house.
So in a few days, after his mouth has time to heal, we'll see how he does.

 

[Silver]

One thing that works pretty good to keep a horse in the gait you want requires an arena, corrall or round pen of sorts. Ride the horse along the fence in the gait you want, when they change turn them in the opposite direction by turning them towards the fence. I think it's important when you make the turn to use the inside rein. Holding both reins in one hand, slowly slide your hand down the inside rein a ways then take hold and slowly and gently start the turn. The split second the horse has committed to the turn drop the rein and let the horse finish the turn itself, and carry on down the fence in the gait you wanted until he changes gait again. If you stick with this they will stay in gait and get a pretty nice start on a roll back as well.

 

[Chickshunt2]

I'm not a barrel rider but I have seen this type of issue with other horses and this is what I have used to fix em. Since your thinking he is doing this because " he wants to run em not go slower" I would work on not giving him what he wants...you said that she takes him aside and works him hard for a bit...I would stop that. If he is wanting to really go then working him "hard" is only giving him what he wants even if it's not "running the pattern" I could not watch the video( to slow of a connection on my end) but if he gives any warning before he leaps I would use it as my cue to shut him down if there is little to no warning as soon as he started his leap I would be on the brakes, stop him dead right there and make him stand for a min or two. Then let him go off at the pace she sets and that pace only! He will soon learn that if I leap because I want to run em I get shut down and can't walk let alone run em! I also second the idea of mixing up and pattern and/or working him with/om the barrels just not in the "pattern" Set them up in a str8 line going down the line make him circle each one to the left then flip around and bring him back down the line but circle him to the right. If she wants to work him "hard" when he leaps work his brain not his butt...lol make him back a few steps, sidepass, turns on the forehand and haunches,etc....anything that is low speed yet makes him think...he loves to run so giving him any speed will only make him want it more. I believe that no matter what a horse is trained for/in it should always listen to the rider. if i want to go at a walk then by darn it we ARE going to walk. I think part of it is just him disrespecting her, he doesn't think he has to listen...change the tude and the horse will change. She should never "just let him run" because HE wants to....she is the rider he should do what SHE wants. Just my two cents, Good Luck with him!

 

[the_jersey_lilly_2000]

Still givin Tank time for his mouth to heal up.


But good news. Cash the horse that went to the vet for the head slingin issue, and has TMJ, treated for that and adjusted once again, ran a 15.505 saturday. That's his fastest time ever in that pen. He did do a small amount of head movement on the first barrel. But not like he's been doin. (could be he's still expecting pain and that'll take time for him to figure out it's not hurtin) No head slingin on 2nd and 3rd. So we are real pleased with that.

Toilet Paper ran a 15.641 and pulled a check for $194 woo hoo!!!

 

[ranch hand]

Wife's been to barrel clinics. Jassy hit it on the head. Run barrels different ways. Maybe run first barrel and then walk back. Then run to 2nd and walk back, etc. , some times walk back on fence and not down the middle. keep it mixed up so they are waiting for her clue. Don't ever let them run on their idea, will end up with a hot horse no one can ride. Also only run the pattern a couple times and quit, then head out and do something else. Or run one barrel and if it good, get off losen the cinch and walk back. Get back after tightning the cinch, :lol: and try 2. Too much practice fries the mind on some horses. Old ways were you would run the horse if you broke the pattern, not true.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Still givin Tank time for his mouth to heal up.


But good news. Cash the horse that went to the vet for the head slingin issue, and has TMJ, treated for that and adjusted once again, ran a 15.505 saturday. That's his fastest time ever in that pen. He did do a small amount of head movement on the first barrel. But not like he's been doin. (could be he's still expecting pain and that'll take time for him to figure out it's not hurtin) No head slingin on 2nd and 3rd. So we are real pleased with that.

Toilet Paper ran a 15.641 and pulled a check for $194 woo hoo!!!

I have known for a long time that teeth can cause all sorts of problems but until Lilly posted TMJ I had never heard of it. Today on the Equine Minute on the radio the fellow was talking about TMJ. :shock:
He said it has gotten more publicity since Burt Reynolds had the problem.