Justin
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Frisco said:
now i know you're full of it....a good lookin Arab? :wink:
Anyone here have experience with Arabians?
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now i know you're full of it....a good lookin Arab? :wink:
Big Muddy rancher
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Interesting program the other day on the radio called the Horse Show minute. It seems the Arabs became the darling of the "Tax shelter" crowd and they mutated from hardy using horses to "Lead and Feed" horses for the show people. Us AQHA people know all about that with the halter and western pleasure set. Anyway since the elimination of that Tax shelter they have dropped in value but it is probably helping the breed come back to a more "Using" horse and the old time breeders that stuck it out are proving they were right in the first place.
The Arab vs QH debate will go on forever because we are individuals and we like what we like.
The Arab vs QH debate will go on forever because we are individuals and we like what we like.
Frisco
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Justin said:
LOL Beauty is in the eye of the beholder they say. I personally liked the deep intelligence in her eyes vs. the big "doi, the brains have been bred out of me glassy eyed stare" :wink:
Faster horses
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I recall years ago a friend visited Texas and he went to a QH sale where the prices were okay but not outstanding. He then visited an Arabian sale where the women were dressed to the nines, complete with the white long gloves; and the men wore fancy suits. He went down to where the horses were and they had a fire extinguisher that they let off close to the horses. It causedthose Arabians eyes to really bug out and the more they drug their handler in the ring, the more money they brought. And they brought large sums...
gcreekrch
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Debbie's sister worked for an heiress of UPS back in the late eighties when Arabs were the rage.
She and the lady she worked for went to a sale somewhere in the States and came home with three, $100,000 horses. During the phonecall when she was telling my FIL about the experience, she said "All that money, and they're just sh!++ers!"
I believe that before the bubble popped, the outfit had over a hundred of them bought up.
As a footnote, my SIL was a very accomplished horsewoman. Dressage, reining, cutting.... she was good at all of them until horse trainer's fatigue set in and gave her asthma. She's a computer tech now.
She and the lady she worked for went to a sale somewhere in the States and came home with three, $100,000 horses. During the phonecall when she was telling my FIL about the experience, she said "All that money, and they're just sh!++ers!"
I believe that before the bubble popped, the outfit had over a hundred of them bought up.
As a footnote, my SIL was a very accomplished horsewoman. Dressage, reining, cutting.... she was good at all of them until horse trainer's fatigue set in and gave her asthma. She's a computer tech now.
leanin' H
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gcreekrch said:
Another reason not to like Arabians........ They give ya asthma and turn ya into computer techs! :shock: :roll: :wink:
OldDog/NewTricks
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One of the best Cowponies I ever broke - Sold him to Stanford for a Plolo Pony and got big money.
There is nothing wrong with the Breed - It's the A$$ HOLE breeders - the Arabs kept them in their Tents at night
There is nothing wrong with the Breed - It's the A$$ HOLE breeders - the Arabs kept them in their Tents at night
OldDog/NewTricks
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In the 60's I was the Trainer for a "Morgan Horse Ranch" - My personal Horses are QH's but I have ridden some Good, Nice, Quite Morgan's. When I left the owner hired Arabian Peoples to manage the Ranch
A few years later I could Not Believe They Were Many of the Same Horses I had Broke/Ridden - - ALL BUZZED UP and Goofy
A few years later I could Not Believe They Were Many of the Same Horses I had Broke/Ridden - - ALL BUZZED UP and Goofy
If I had to have an Arab it would have to be a "Russian Arab". Bigger, stronger, better.
We used to pack a little Arab when we went into the mountains, it was the best pack horse we had. It packed as much as the Belgians and Percherons, and NEVER got stuck in the muskeg. We didn't even use a lead shank on him, we just let him go. We'd get to a big ole stretch of 'skeg and start picking our way through, that horse would disappear for a while and end up waiting for us on the other side. Toughest horse I've ever seen.
Anyway WW, for what you are doing and where you are doing it, have you considered a Paso Fino, or a Paso Fino cross? There was never a smoother horse born on this earth, and aren't uncommon in your area. Don't confuse them with the Peruvian Paso though.
We used to pack a little Arab when we went into the mountains, it was the best pack horse we had. It packed as much as the Belgians and Percherons, and NEVER got stuck in the muskeg. We didn't even use a lead shank on him, we just let him go. We'd get to a big ole stretch of 'skeg and start picking our way through, that horse would disappear for a while and end up waiting for us on the other side. Toughest horse I've ever seen.
Anyway WW, for what you are doing and where you are doing it, have you considered a Paso Fino, or a Paso Fino cross? There was never a smoother horse born on this earth, and aren't uncommon in your area. Don't confuse them with the Peruvian Paso though.
Big Muddy rancher
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Silver why did you pick the Paso Fino over the Peruvian?
Peruvian Paso - Not a Paso Fino
by Verne & Pat Albright
There has been a great deal of publicity lately which misleads the public Into thinking that the Peruvian Paso horse is a "strain" of Paso Flno. The majority of this publicity has come from Paso Fino promoters and some has even come from officials of Paso Rna organizations.
Unfortunately, this has added to the confusion in the public mind about the differences between these two breeds. As much as any other cause, the presence of the word "paso" in the name of each breed seems to have been responsible for the initial confusion. The Board of Directors of the American Association of Owners and Breeders of Peruvian Paso Horses has become so concerned by this problem that It has resolved to refer to its breed as the "Peruvian horse," deleting the word "Paso" In all association sponsored publicity and publications.
They hope that this will lesson the confusion, but of course it will not as long as some promoters represent the Peruvian horse as a "strain" of Paso Fino.
The Paso Fino organizations have opened their registries and their shows to Peruvian horses. Personally, I cannot understand their decision to do this except that, of course, it adds to their numbers and income. Equine historian Lyn Slocum who has owned, raised and worked with both breeds, says, "Through my research and personal experience I have found very little similarity between the Paso Flno and the Peruvian."
One similarity is that they are gaited somewhat alike. This provides no basis for calling them the same breed any more than the quarter horse and the Arabian are the same breed simply because both trot.
Peruvlan horses are encouraged to take longest stride possible, while Paso Finos are taught to take short steps.
Anyone who studies the Paso Fino and the Peruvian will find great differences in their size, conformation, way of going, gear. training methods, and historical uses. Also "termino" [a swimming motion In the forelegs] is highly desired and universal in the Peruvian breed while it is somewhat rare and generally considered undesirable in the Paso Fino.
The Peruvian and Paso Fino breeds are related, but even four centuries ago the relationship was distant. They both came from Spain. The countries which developed the horses known in the United States as Paso Finos were basically Puerto Rico, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, and Cuba, all wtth borders on the Caribbean Sea and located wtthln o radius of approximately 500 miles.
These countries received their foundation bloodstock from the breeding operations set up by the Spanish on the islands in the Caribbean Sea. Pizarro, who brought the first horses to Peru from the Caribbean islands, took war horses, not breeding stock. They were mostly trotting horses. The foundation breedlng stock was brought to Peru directly from Spain by Spanish noblemen and political authorities durlng Peru's colonial period when Lima was the center of Hispanic America.
So the original relationship was distant at best, and it was further widened by the fact that, with the single exception of Peru, every American nation which raised easy gaited horses injected other blood by crossing them at some point with some other breed. The Peruvian horse, olded by geography, history, and the convictions of breeders In Peru, has been a pure breed without outside influence for over four centuries.
Aided by geography and the convictions of Peruvian breeders, these horses have been bred pure for over four centuries.
Again quoting Lyn Slocum, "Over the years two distinctly different breeds have evolved, each with different qualities and abilities to offer... What Is looked for in the two different breeds is almost diametrically opposed. For example, one of the primary objectives of the Peruvian's training is to cause him to take the longest stride possible. What the most well respected, blue ribbon quality Paso Fino Is taught, from very early In Its training, is maximum collection with rapid, short steps and little advance. As a result of these two very different ends being sought, the two breeds have developed entirely different conformation."
I believe that it is important to note that in the 17 years I have been involved with the Peruvian breed, I have never met or heard of a major Peruvian horse breeder or authority in Peru or the United States who believes there is anything more than minor similarity between the two breeds.
I encourage the public to get to know the Peruvian Paso and the Paso Flno by attending their approved shows and visiting the major breeding farms of both breeds. This will allow people to see the differences first hand. I agree wholeheartedly with Lyn Slocum who has said, "A good horse is o good horse is a good horse, and a good Peruvian is a good horse and a good Paso Fino is a good horse." But each breed has Its own different merits to offer.
This article was originally published in Issue ~12 of Horse Women Magazine in 1979.
Peruvian Paso - Not a Paso Fino
by Verne & Pat Albright
There has been a great deal of publicity lately which misleads the public Into thinking that the Peruvian Paso horse is a "strain" of Paso Flno. The majority of this publicity has come from Paso Fino promoters and some has even come from officials of Paso Rna organizations.
Unfortunately, this has added to the confusion in the public mind about the differences between these two breeds. As much as any other cause, the presence of the word "paso" in the name of each breed seems to have been responsible for the initial confusion. The Board of Directors of the American Association of Owners and Breeders of Peruvian Paso Horses has become so concerned by this problem that It has resolved to refer to its breed as the "Peruvian horse," deleting the word "Paso" In all association sponsored publicity and publications.
They hope that this will lesson the confusion, but of course it will not as long as some promoters represent the Peruvian horse as a "strain" of Paso Fino.
The Paso Fino organizations have opened their registries and their shows to Peruvian horses. Personally, I cannot understand their decision to do this except that, of course, it adds to their numbers and income. Equine historian Lyn Slocum who has owned, raised and worked with both breeds, says, "Through my research and personal experience I have found very little similarity between the Paso Flno and the Peruvian."
One similarity is that they are gaited somewhat alike. This provides no basis for calling them the same breed any more than the quarter horse and the Arabian are the same breed simply because both trot.
Peruvlan horses are encouraged to take longest stride possible, while Paso Finos are taught to take short steps.
Anyone who studies the Paso Fino and the Peruvian will find great differences in their size, conformation, way of going, gear. training methods, and historical uses. Also "termino" [a swimming motion In the forelegs] is highly desired and universal in the Peruvian breed while it is somewhat rare and generally considered undesirable in the Paso Fino.
The Peruvian and Paso Fino breeds are related, but even four centuries ago the relationship was distant. They both came from Spain. The countries which developed the horses known in the United States as Paso Finos were basically Puerto Rico, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, and Cuba, all wtth borders on the Caribbean Sea and located wtthln o radius of approximately 500 miles.
These countries received their foundation bloodstock from the breeding operations set up by the Spanish on the islands in the Caribbean Sea. Pizarro, who brought the first horses to Peru from the Caribbean islands, took war horses, not breeding stock. They were mostly trotting horses. The foundation breedlng stock was brought to Peru directly from Spain by Spanish noblemen and political authorities durlng Peru's colonial period when Lima was the center of Hispanic America.
So the original relationship was distant at best, and it was further widened by the fact that, with the single exception of Peru, every American nation which raised easy gaited horses injected other blood by crossing them at some point with some other breed. The Peruvian horse, olded by geography, history, and the convictions of breeders In Peru, has been a pure breed without outside influence for over four centuries.
Aided by geography and the convictions of Peruvian breeders, these horses have been bred pure for over four centuries.
Again quoting Lyn Slocum, "Over the years two distinctly different breeds have evolved, each with different qualities and abilities to offer... What Is looked for in the two different breeds is almost diametrically opposed. For example, one of the primary objectives of the Peruvian's training is to cause him to take the longest stride possible. What the most well respected, blue ribbon quality Paso Fino Is taught, from very early In Its training, is maximum collection with rapid, short steps and little advance. As a result of these two very different ends being sought, the two breeds have developed entirely different conformation."
I believe that it is important to note that in the 17 years I have been involved with the Peruvian breed, I have never met or heard of a major Peruvian horse breeder or authority in Peru or the United States who believes there is anything more than minor similarity between the two breeds.
I encourage the public to get to know the Peruvian Paso and the Paso Flno by attending their approved shows and visiting the major breeding farms of both breeds. This will allow people to see the differences first hand. I agree wholeheartedly with Lyn Slocum who has said, "A good horse is o good horse is a good horse, and a good Peruvian is a good horse and a good Paso Fino is a good horse." But each breed has Its own different merits to offer.
This article was originally published in Issue ~12 of Horse Women Magazine in 1979.
Big Muddy, I suppose it would be personal preference, although I don't expect to ever own either one. I'm not a fan of that slew footed gait the Peruvians have, I think it looks awful.... but again, that's personal preference.
I did ride a half Paso half QH for a while that was quite a horse and I would have liked to own. Looked more like a TB than anything, was tough as nails and had a fair bit of cow. Dad had a girlfirend for several years that bred Paso's and I developed a certain amount of respect for them, particularily when bred QH.
I did ride a half Paso half QH for a while that was quite a horse and I would have liked to own. Looked more like a TB than anything, was tough as nails and had a fair bit of cow. Dad had a girlfirend for several years that bred Paso's and I developed a certain amount of respect for them, particularily when bred QH.
Big Muddy rancher
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Thanks I have no experience with either so was just wondering.
Northern Rancher
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Probably some of the best ranch horses when all things are considered soundness, longevity etc are plain old mongrels-the best horse I've ever owned or rode was out of a mare that got accused of being three different breeds. Seen some real good ranch ponies that had a touch of draft in them-maybe not the fastest or the best in every situation but you could saddle them up day after day and get whatever needed to be done on them. Don't get me wrong I'm a quarter horse fan but I've seen some other mixtures work pretty well too.
We raised Arabians for forty years at Cedardell Farms. I'd call them good for traveling. But not too good on cow sense. It takes either a good hand to handle them or a kid that they like. They seem to be very opinionated horses. If they don't like you forget it.
OldDog/NewTricks
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At one time I had a good friend "Joe Gavit" (He's Passed Now) Joe used to tell stories about his Mom N Dad dyeing when he was 10 - he went to work for his Uncle a "Smuggler" - They would Smuggle Paso Breeding out of for a Breeder on the Sky Line in the San Jose Area...
They got caught and the Policeia killed everyone on board but him - He was 12 years old...
The last I heard His Xwife was living in Southern Ca.
They got caught and the Policeia killed everyone on board but him - He was 12 years old...
The last I heard His Xwife was living in Southern Ca.