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Sperm Count Beef?
By Steven Milloy, www.junkscience.com

Monday, April 2, 2007

Consumers were frightened this week by media reports about a new study claiming to link mothers' consumption of beef with reduced sperm counts in their sons ( "Sperm Count Low if Mom Ate Beef, Study Finds" ). But the study amounts to nothing more than a transparent effort to resurrect an already debunked 1990s-era health scare with appalling science and sensational headlines.

From "Mom's beef puts son's sperm count at stake" (Los Angeles Times) to "Meaty momma's boys lose" (Edmonton Sun, Canada) to "Sunday roasts could have hit male fertility" (Daily Mail, UK), gullible media around the world once again fell for science-by-press-release committed by longtime environmental activist-researchers.

The supposed findings of the study were that "men whose mothers had eaten more than seven beef meals a week had a sperm concentration that was over 24 percent lower than in men whose mothers ate less beef "and that three times more sons of high-beef consumers had a sperm concentration that would be classified as sub-fertile, according to World Health Organization standards, in comparison to men whose mothers ate less beef."

But for anyone who makes the effort to look past the press releases touting these findings and to examine the study that supposedly backs them up, these findings fall apart as easily as slow-cooked pot roast.

First, the researchers approached the question of what caused the reduced sperm counts exactly backwards. Rather than investigating all possible causes and eliminating those for which there are no supporting evidence, the researchers, according to their own admission, set out to link maternal beef consumption with fertility problems while ignoring other possible causes.

There are myriad causes of infertility. Focusing on a novel one that might make for good headlines -- while overlooking established, but less newsworthy, causes -- simply does not constitute bona fide scientific investigation.

Then, of course, none of the men studied seemed to have fertility problems in the first place. In fact, the men had all fathered children. But they were nonetheless targeted by the researchers because "[their] rate of consulting a doctor in the past for possible infertility was significantly higher."

Simply consulting a fertility specialist, however, does not necessarily indicate that a man has fertility problems.

The researchers' hypothesis is not that beef itself causes infertility, but rather that the hormone-like medicines and chemicals to which cattle may be exposed are at fault. But even if it were true, for the sake of argument, that hormone-like chemicals were linked with male infertility, the researchers would still be obligated to rule out other potential exposures to these chemicals, such as through other foods or occupational exposures in both the mothers and sons, before blaming beef consumption by mothers.

But the study gets worse.

Although the researchers tout a study size of 387 subjects, only 51 of the sons had mothers who allegedly ate beef more than seven times per week when they were pregnant. So the researchers drew an awfully sweeping conclusion from a minuscule study population.

Moreover, the data on mothers' beef consumption during 1949 to 1983 were collected by surveying the mothers during 1999 to 2005, as long as 50 years after they were pregnant.

Such self-reported dietary data were not verified by the researchers and are subject to phenomena known in scientific circles as "recall bias" (memory-impaired responses) or "response bias" (intentionally incorrect responses to, say, avoid embarrassing answers). No one really knows what or how much these women actually ate.

It's also not necessarily true that more frequent beef consumption is greater beef consumption. Someone who consumes four 8-ounce portions of meat per week consumes 14 percent more beef than someone who consumes a 4-ounce portion every day -- yet, in this study, the everyday-meat eater is assumed to be the greater consumer of beef.

Although the researchers say in their media release, "We don't have enough information yet to make any recommendations, and this is not what this study was designed to do," they then proceed to make dietary recommendations including eating only organic beef and generally reducing beef consumption. This study is about causing alarm, not about sound scientific research.

So just who are these researchers and what's their real beef?

The University of Rochester's Shanna Swan and Danish researcher Niels Skakkebaek are well-known to followers of the now-defunct 1990s controversy over hormone-like chemicals in the environment, so-called "endocrine disrupters" or "environmental estrogens."

Swan, Skakkebaek and others have been trying to scare people that man-made chemicals in the environment and food are reducing fertility, particularly sperm counts. Swan has published 15 related studies since 1997 and Skakkebaek has more than 80 related citations in the scientific literature dating back to 1992.

Despite tremendous media attention, the science of Swan and Skakkebaek has never been particularly persuasive. A National Academy of Sciences committee concluded in 1999 that, "Given the evidence to date, increases in the incidence of male reproductive disorders in humans -- cannot be linked to exposures to [hormonally-active agents] found in the environment."

And since there do not appear to be any sort of worldwide fertility problems that cannot be explained by other causes, it's no wonder that the endocrine disrupter scare never gained traction.

In addition to the news media's predilection for scary health stories, who, after all, could pass up a story about hamburgers as intergenerational contraceptives? It unfortunately suffers from an abysmal institutional memory, particularly when it comes to science.

So Swan and Skakkebaek can always count on gullible reporters parroting their "findings" as if they were novel, credible and important, rather than what they really are: stale, unbelievable and meaningless.
 
This is not directly from NCBA, but sent to us email by NCBA.

American Meat Institute urges consumers to treat study with skepticism
By Drovers news source (Wednesday, March 28, 2007)

The following statement was issued today by AMI Foundation Vice President of Scientific Affairs Dr.
Randy Huffman:

"Announcement of a study on the impact of beef consumption during pregnancy and sperm concentration and fertility in adult male offspring should be viewed with a giant dose of skepticism.

In conducting this study, adult men who had already conceived children were told to ask their mothers what they ate decades earlier during pregnancy. It is widely accepted that food recall can be notoriously poor from even a day or a week before, let alone multiple decades. Asking a woman of advanced age to recall with any degree of accuracy her beef consumption patterns 20, 30 or 40 years ago is absolutely absurd.

Furthermore, professional interviewers were not used in this study. Instead, the male study subjects were asked to interview their own mothers. The study authors even admit the mothers' food recall is 'undoubtedly subject to error.'

The most glaring fault with this study is the purely speculative conclusion that certain chemical components of beef were the cause of associations observed between the questionnaire responses and the count of sperm in the male subjects. The study does not include any laboratory analysis of the compounds suggested to be contained in beef, much less the beef that may have been consumed by the mothers decades ago. To conclude that some undetected compound is the cause for an association seen in these data is of questionable validity.

Finally, it is noteworthy that the 387 men in this study all successfully conceived a child without medical assistance. This appears to be a health study in search of a health problem.

Consumers should continue to eat balanced diets in moderation, get plenty of daily exercise consistent with government recommendations and reduce their consumption of news about poorly designed studies and overdone headlines."

Source: AMI
 
Here I thought the NCBA just parroted what the AMI said, now they're simply letting the AMI talk for them! I guess it's more efficient, cuts out the middleman and reduces chances for mistakes.. :lol:
 
Yep, just typical Sandhusker........discount factual, science based information because the source isn't your buddy.

Yet, you seem to think it wonderful that R-CALF has partnered with verified anti-beef consumer groups in their anti-Canada beef ads, despite the fact that consumers will just as easily conclude that US beef is not much different than Canadian, given our screw-ups by some companies selling feed in the USA, too.

Do you have information that refutes what the AMI article states about that study? Or are you simply bent on killing the messenger NCBA) because you detest the AMI?

That NCBA is willing and able to work with AMI or any other group on an issue where we cattle producers agree and will mutually benefit is NOT a bad thing for cattle producers, at least not in the eyes of anyone with any understanding of the cattle and beef industries.

MRJ
 
MRJ said:
Yep, just typical Sandhusker........discount factual, science based information because the source isn't your buddy.

Yet, you seem to think it wonderful that R-CALF has partnered with verified anti-beef consumer groups in their anti-Canada beef ads, despite the fact that consumers will just as easily conclude that US beef is not much different than Canadian, given our screw-ups by some companies selling feed in the USA, too.

Do you have information that refutes what the AMI article states about that study? Or are you simply bent on killing the messenger NCBA) because you detest the AMI?

That NCBA is willing and able to work with AMI or any other group on an issue where we cattle producers agree and will mutually benefit is NOT a bad thing for cattle producers, at least not in the eyes of anyone with any understanding of the cattle and beef industries.

MRJ

I discounted the information?
 
Junk Science at it's Junkiest!

Of course we all know that what constitutes "science" is based on who is choosing it........and what their agenda is.

Environmental activist-researchers, science by press release
Sperm Count Beef?
By Steven Milloy, www.junkscience.com
Monday, April 2, 2007
Consumers were frightened this week by media reports about a new study claiming to link mothers' consumption of beef with reduced sperm counts in their sons ( "Sperm Count Low if Mom Ate Beef, Study Finds" ). But the study amounts to nothing more than a transparent effort to resurrect an already debunked 1990s-era health scare with appalling science and sensational headlines.
From "Mom's beef puts son's sperm count at stake" (Los Angeles Times) to "Meaty momma's boys lose" (Edmonton Sun, Canada) to "Sunday roasts could have hit male fertility" (Daily Mail, UK), gullible media around the world once again fell for science-by-press-release committed by longtime environmental activist-researchers.
The supposed findings of the study were that "men whose mothers had eaten more than seven beef meals a week had a sperm concentration that was over 24 percent lower than in men whose mothers ate less beef "and that three times more sons of high-beef consumers had a sperm concentration that would be classified as sub-fertile, according to World Health Organization standards, in comparison to men whose mothers ate less beef."
But for anyone who makes the effort to look past the press releases touting these findings and to examine the study that supposedly backs them up, these findings fall apart as easily as slow-cooked pot roast.
First, the researchers approached the question of what caused the reduced sperm counts exactly backwards. Rather than investigating all possible causes and eliminating those for which there are no supporting evidence, the researchers, according to their own admission, set out to link maternal beef consumption with fertility problems while ignoring other possible causes.
There are myriad causes of infertility. Focusing on a novel one that might make for good headlines -- while overlooking established, but less newsworthy, causes -- simply does not constitute bona fide scientific investigation.
Then, of course, none of the men studied seemed to have fertility problems in the first place. In fact, the men had all fathered children. But they were nonetheless targeted by the researchers because "[their] rate of consulting a doctor in the past for possible infertility was significantly higher."
Simply consulting a fertility specialist, however, does not necessarily indicate that a man has fertility problems.
The researchers' hypothesis is not that beef itself causes infertility, but rather that the hormone-like medicines and chemicals to which cattle may be exposed are at fault. But even if it were true, for the sake of argument, that hormone-like chemicals were linked with male infertility, the researchers would still be obligated to rule out other potential exposures to these chemicals, such as through other foods or occupational exposures in both the mothers and sons, before blaming beef consumption by mothers.
But the study gets worse.
Although the researchers tout a study size of 387 subjects, only 51 of the sons had mothers who allegedly ate beef more than seven times per week when they were pregnant. So the researchers drew an awfully sweeping conclusion from a minuscule study population.
Moreover, the data on mothers' beef consumption during 1949 to 1983 were collected by surveying the mothers during 1999 to 2005, as long as 50 years after they were pregnant.
Such self-reported dietary data were not verified by the researchers and are subject to phenomena known in scientific circles as "recall bias" (memory-impaired responses) or "response bias" (intentionally incorrect responses to, say, avoid embarrassing answers). No one really knows what or how much these women actually ate.
It's also not necessarily true that more frequent beef consumption is greater beef consumption. Someone who consumes four 8-ounce portions of meat per week consumes 14 percent more beef than someone who consumes a 4-ounce portion every day -- yet, in this study, the everyday-meat eater is assumed to be the greater consumer of beef.
Although the researchers say in their media release, "We don't have enough information yet to make any recommendations, and this is not what this study was designed to do," they then proceed to make dietary recommendations including eating only organic beef and generally reducing beef consumption. This study is about causing alarm, not about sound scientific research.
So just who are these researchers and what's their real beef?
The University of Rochester's Shanna Swan and Danish researcher Niels Skakkebaek are well-known to followers of the now-defunct 1990s controversy over hormone-like chemicals in the environment, so-called "endocrine disrupters" or "environmental estrogens."
Swan, Skakkebaek and others have been trying to scare people that man-made chemicals in the environment and food are reducing fertility, particularly sperm counts. Swan has published 15 related studies since 1997 and Skakkebaek has more than 80 related citations in the scientific literature dating back to 1992.
Despite tremendous media attention, the science of Swan and Skakkebaek has never been particularly persuasive. A National Academy of Sciences committee concluded in 1999 that, "Given the evidence to date, increases in the incidence of male reproductive disorders in humans -- cannot be linked to exposures to [hormonally-active agents] found in the environment."
And since there do not appear to be any sort of worldwide fertility problems that cannot be explained by other causes, it's no wonder that the endocrine disrupter scare never gained traction.
In addition to the news media's predilection for scary health stories, who, after all, could pass up a story about hamburgers as intergenerational contraceptives? It unfortunately suffers from an abysmal institutional memory, particularly when it comes to science.
So Swan and Skakkebaek can always count on gullible reporters parroting their "findings" as if they were novel, credible and important, rather than what they really are: stale, unbelievable and meaningless.
Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com and CSRWatch.com. He is a junk science expert, an advocate of free enterprise and an adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. He can be reached at [email protected].
 
MRJ, "Yet, you seem to think it wonderful that R-CALF has partnered with verified anti-beef consumer groups in their anti-Canada beef ads, despite the fact that consumers will just as easily conclude that US beef is not much different than Canadian, given our screw-ups by some companies selling feed in the USA, too."

Who "verified" any group R-CALF partnered with as anti-beef? SH?

MRJ, "That NCBA is willing and able to work with AMI or any other group on an issue where we cattle producers agree and will mutually benefit is NOT a bad thing for cattle producers, at least not in the eyes of anyone with any understanding of the cattle and beef industries."

The AMI is working to open our borders to beef from around the world. Do you know why they are doing that, MRJ? I'll tell you; It is because they want to be able to buy cheaper beef from other sources so they can either drive down the price of US beef or not buy it at all. Now, how does that mutually benefit US producers?
 
Looks to me like you discounted the info by the terms you used implying NCBA "parrots" what AMI tells us to say.

I "verified" by personal contact, that Carol Tucker Foreman a leader of Consumer Federation of America has a strong anti-beef stand. She exhibits that by her diligent efforts to cut and/or eliminate beef from school lunches, claiming health reasons, while in Democrat administrations. If not for NCBA, she probably would have succeeded.

I've also seen comment by leaders of other 'consumer' groups putting doubt in minds of consumers about the safety of beef. There is, IMO, a difference between taking action to improve safety of food, and using fear to seed doubt in consumers' minds about foods.

Many ag organizations AND packers and retailers have worked diligently, sometimes in partnership, sometimes alone, doing constructive action to improve food safety.

That AMI is working to open our borders to beef from other nations is not reason enough to fail to work with them on issues beneficial to us both. This instance of countering damaging and inaccurate claims about beef is one where cooperation is useful. That does NOT mean NCBA is under their thumb.

You and I probably disagree on whether, or how much, opening the Canadian border will harm US cattle producers. I'm of the opinion that world trade is not going to end, and that it will ultimately serve good US cattle producers well, since the huge majority of world population lives outside our borders. Absolute, protectionism is not going to work for any industry. US cattle producers who are capable and willing to work from positions of strength and reason to support our industry will, I believe succeed. I still believe there are enough statesmen types in political positions who have enough sense to understand that we truly do need a viable agriculture system, including a cattle production industry, in the USA.

MRJ

<RK
 
My comment about parroting had nothing to do with content - and it's not the first time NCBA's "opinion" mirrored the AMI.

Consumer's Federation is anti-beef because a leader has a strong anti-beef stand? :shock: I see..... Chuck Hagel is a leader in the Republican Party and he was against the Iraq war, I guess that makes the Republican Party verified anti-war. You're using grade-school logic, MRJ.

NCBA is not under AMI's thumb? How many issues can you come up with where they had opposing views?
 
Sandhusker, OT
Now you sit back and criticize everything that comes out of NCBA no matter what, show me where R-CALF has ever done anything to promote BEEF? SHOW ME. While all of these anti-beef, anti agriculture groups are singing your song, your group has never done one thing to promote BEEF. Your name calling, cliched lines are cute, you and your group have never ever done a single thing to promote beef, show that beef is a good choice in a healthy diet, or that ranchers are not raping the land. Show me once where your group has touted the environmental efforts of ranchers preserving wildlife rather than the developers bringing in the subdivisions to cut up the ranch land. All you can do is criticize, call good people names and try to intimidate those with opposing views. Your attitudes are the reason that R-Calf will never survive, you cannot intimidate ranchers into thinking your way. Bees are attracted to sugar, not vinegar
 
Bull Puckey sw-- R-CALF has called for labeling and promoting USA born and raised BEEF- to give it an identity and promotion in this expanding globalist trade-- while NCBA has crawled into the back pockets of the AMI- and Tyson/Cargil/Swift/etal's generic beef and flipflopped on the M-COOL....The same M-COOL that they started and even testified to Congress that their surveys showed 80% of the public wanted....R-CALF remained open and honest with consumers while NCBA fell into the Corporate worlds use of fraud and deception to make a fast buck....

Makes me wonder about a group that doesn't even want to identify or promote their own countries product.... :???:

They have called for the USDA to allow Creekstone and others to do private testing to reopen the Asian markets and regain confidence/demand in US beef - while NCBA fell into AMI's Big Corporate backing and fought against it- even while spouting that every day we don't export to Asia we producers lose $175 per head... Shows who they really support :roll: :(
Instead of believing in and supporting the free enterprise they again support Tyson/Cargil/Swift/etal... And now I see they think they can force Korea to take back US beef- but can't get it thru their heads that if the folks don't want to buy it- it doesn't matter what the government does...

And the only reason you see NCBA's name tied to beef promotions is because most are things they are doing under Beef Checkoff funded contracts or are taking credit for since they have controlled the checkoff for so long....

I used to laugh when the Beefmobile would show up at an event- and all the NCBA muckey mucks would gather around and take credit for everything the checkoff was doing- "look at this product WE developed" and try to recruit new members :roll: :( :mad: Then when the heat starts coming on NCBA for using checkoff dollars-MRJ, you, and Hanta come along and say that NCBA doesn't control the Checkoff and haven't misused it, and this doesn't happen- but I saw it-- And Monte Reese admitted to me that he was aware it has been/was happening, is wrong, and if anything kills the checkoff it will be NCBA's misuse that does it......
 
I think OT did a good job, but I just wanted to point out that promoting BEEF is what the checkoff was created for. I'll ask you how much of the BEEF promotion that NCBA does is on their own and how much of it is reimbursed thru the checkoff?
 
R-CALF remained open and honest with consumers while NCBA fell into the Corporate worlds use of fraud and deception to make a fast buck....

This is Hanta Yo writing:

I don't think you have anything to say about R-Laff being OPEN AND HONEST. If they were honest with their members they would be honest with the other things they do.

You just don't want to believe R-Laff imploded and were dishonest with their MEMBERS.

If you want me to take the time to back up my allegations, I will. Tomorrow.

Good night all
 
Hay there Greybull - where have you been.

Sad part about that article that you posted is the slight possibily that hormones in our conventional beef may be contributing to the fertility problems. I say may be! All the FACTS show otherwise of course. I asked our ABP chairman what he thought of the FACT that well over 80% of the livers from conventionally grain fed cattle are detroyed before tha animal is put in a box. Then asked him what a liver is for. No answer.

Hope you Wyoming boys are missing my good bulls. Tried to get one down to you this year in a straw, but he tested positive for a lepto strain. Must be another one of those protectionist disease controls that Oldtimer always talks about.

Randy
 
If R-CALF wasn't OPEN AND HONEST, you wouldn't know all the details of recent events.

How much market share has beef regained since the beginning of the check-off?
 
rkaiser said:
Hay there Greybull - where have you been.

Sad part about that article that you posted is the slight possibily that hormones in our conventional beef may be contributing to the fertility problems. I say may be! All the FACTS show otherwise of course. I asked our ABP chairman what he thought of the FACT that well over 80% of the livers from conventionally grain fed cattle are detroyed before tha animal is put in a box. Then asked him what a liver is for. No answer.

Hope you Wyoming boys are missing my good bulls. Tried to get one down to you this year in a straw, but he tested positive for a lepto strain. Must be another one of those protectionist disease controls that Oldtimer always talks about.

Randy

Better make sure you have those bulls penned up good and chastity belts on your cows Kaiser- the new Montana trich rules are now in effect and you can only sell virgin bulls...Used bulls have to be tested extensively and go thru a quarantine...
 
Randy, it's my understanding that the livers are condemned because of complication from an overly acid digestive tract that results from a high starch diet. 100% of my livers have gone to satisfied customers.

The thing about hormones is that they are very powerful compounds and have effect at very low concentrations. If they weren't used, there wouldn't be a controversy...the EU market would be open...there would be lower carcass weights, less supply, and higher live cattle prices. BUT the drug companies would make less money...Lord knows they need our help!
 
RobertMac...If R-CALF wasn't OPEN AND HONEST, you wouldn't know all the details of recent events.


Well said Robert. Why is R-CALF having all the regional meeting if not to get it all out, and be OPEN AND HONEST about all of it?
 
:roll:

The only reason R-Klan is now trying to be so "open and honest" is because THEY ARE BEING FORCED TO. People had enough of the many lies and deception from within and left the Klan. They were sick and tired of being lied to about membership, finances and whatever Bullard chose to tell the board and membership.

Don't ever kid yourselves, http://www.swifthorses.com/ did more to ecourage this new found "openness and honesty" than anything.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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