Sandhusker
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Tam said:
If you've got a problem with that, drop your membership.
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If you've got a problem with that, drop your membership.
Sandhusker
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Tam, "BTW Oldtimer how much good beef promotion is going to be done when the US consumer realizes that Creekstone is 100% testing for the Asian market and not for the US consumers?"
About the same as when the US consumer realizes that the Asian market gets only 20 month and younger. :roll:
About the same as when the US consumer realizes that the Asian market gets only 20 month and younger. :roll:
RobertMac said:
RobertMac how much did you know about R-CALF finances prior to Swift Horses.com putting it all out on their web page?
Did you know that even though Bill Bullard claimed R-CALF had 18,000 members which was adjusted down to 15,000 due to the miscount of Family members, that there was only about 11,500 that renewed their memberships? BTW according to R-CALF's website membership page R-CALF only has single memberships worth $50 so how much is a family membership and what constitutes a family?
Did you know Bill got $5 per new member? Now that you do know have you questioned the discrepancies in the membership list like Jan has?
Did you know that, even though Bill claimed at your annual convention you had about $256,000, you still owed $400,000 to your DC lawyers and that R-CALF was truly in debt?
Did you know that the R-CALF Lawyers gave your lawsuit a 99.9% chance of loosing but since you had that .1% chance of winning that some on your board voted to go ahead and file another expensive lawsuit?
Just how open and honest was R-CALF with their membership when some are blackballed from mailing lists and board meeting by the CEO?
Did you see any of this coming so soon after your annual convention?
If R-CALF had been so open and honest with they membership in the past there would have been no need for Swift Horses.com to fill you in on what your lawyers are still owed and what they said about your chances of winning your court cases. :wink:
Sandhusker said:
Sandhusker you have been telling us that Creekstone was going to be 100% testing for Japan as Japan agreed to pay for the testing. But from what was posted on here a few days ago the "BSE tested doesn't mean BSE free" Fraud was going to be sold to domestic consumer ALSO. Who was going to pay for that testing Sandhusker? As you said the US producers wouldn't be paying for Creekstones 100% testing program. :wink:
Have you been able to find anything that can prove that what is posted on Swift Horses is not true Yet SANDHUSKER????Sandhusker said:
Have you talked to Brent or Dennis about their quotes or Jan about the finances RANDY? Come on prove that those hiding behind that pen name are lieing I CHALLENGE YOU. :wink: :lol:
Sandhusker
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Tam said:
Creekstone will be selling BSE tested beef that they tested for BSE. Where is the fraud?
The same people who pay for the extra expense for hormone free will be the ones paying for the tested beef - the consumer. Why would it be any different?
Sandhusker
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Tam said:
Two questions;
How can I challenge what Swift Horses wrote when I'm not interested in even reading it?
Why would I need to prove anything to you?
Sandhusker said:
Not that I'm posting this for anyone to join :roll: but I would like everyone to take a look and see if they can find where R-CALF's membership page says anything about FAMILY MEMBERSHIPS
Did I miss the family membership dues part, that were suppose to be the reason that R-CALF's membership list was off by some 3000? :?
Sandhusker
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Jesus H. Christ, Tam, you're worse than SH ever thought of being. I just don't understand where the glory in acting stupid is. I'll draw you a flipping picture; Some people were signing up everybody in their family (Dad, Mom, Billy, Suzy, Jimmy). They changed it so they were counted as 1 and not 5.
Sandhusker said:
The US is selling beef that was inspected to the same standards US beef is so WHERE IS THE FRAUD?
Sandhusker how many people have died from eating beef that was not tested for Hormones? :?
And in the US are those that can afford to buy tested beef the only ones that deserve to know whether their beef is safe or not??
If Creekstone forces the whole industry to 100% test to keep domestic consumer confidence it will not be the consumer who will be paying extra of ordinary store bought beef. :roll:
Sandhusker said:
ONE $50 MEMBERSHIP ONE VOTE. WHERE DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT FAMILIES. SANDHUSKER. BMR and I are both VOTING members of the SSGA but to be counted we both pay a membership, if our son wants to be a member he buys a membership in his name, if our daughter wants to become a member yep she buys another membership. ONE PAID MEMBERSHIP ONE VOTE. What is Mom and little Billy Suzy and Jimmy's names doing on a membership list if they didn't pay any membership due. If R-CALF members want their whole family to be members BUY EACH ONE A MEMBERSHIP like the web page says. Gee no screw ups in the membership numbers either. :roll: :roll:
Sandhusker
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Tam, "The US is selling beef that was inspected to the same standards US beef is so WHERE IS THE FRAUD? "
What does the label say?
Tam, "Sandhusker how many people have died from eating beef that was not tested for Hormones?"
The same number that has died from eating tested beef.
Tam, "And in the US are those that can afford to buy tested beef the only ones that deserve to know whether their beef is safe or not??"
Unless you're saying that untested beef is less safe than tested, you're not making sense.
Tam,"If Creekstone forces the whole industry...."
You can stop right there. Creekstone isn't gong to force the whole industry to do a dang thing. Did somebody selling hormone free force the whole industry to do anything?
What does the label say?
Tam, "Sandhusker how many people have died from eating beef that was not tested for Hormones?"
The same number that has died from eating tested beef.
Tam, "And in the US are those that can afford to buy tested beef the only ones that deserve to know whether their beef is safe or not??"
Unless you're saying that untested beef is less safe than tested, you're not making sense.
Tam,"If Creekstone forces the whole industry...."
You can stop right there. Creekstone isn't gong to force the whole industry to do a dang thing. Did somebody selling hormone free force the whole industry to do anything?
RobertMac
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Tam said:
Tam, if I ever had thoughts of getting out of R-CALF, you changed my mind. Like SH, you do more to hurt your cause than help. Thank you!
RobertMac said:Tam said:
Tam, if I ever had thoughts of getting out of R-CALF, you changed my mind. Like SH, you do more to hurt your cause than help. Thank you!
I don't know, RobertMac, if I were actively involved in rcalf and Tam wanted to join and be active, one of us would have to go.
Big Muddy rancher
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Econ101 said:RobertMac said:Tam said:
Tam, if I ever had thoughts of getting out of R-CALF, you changed my mind. Like SH, you do more to hurt your cause than help. Thank you!
I don't know, RobertMac, if I were actively involved in rcalf and Tam wanted to join and be active, one of us would have to go.
Are you involved in any cattle organization?
Not actively. I work out of town a lot and do not have the time to go to all my kid's activities, let alone my own. Ranchers is as close as I have time for now. We don't have a good local chapter. What little time I do have goes to the family and the local church--outside of working. I had a small elected position once but don't have the time to do that sort of thing anymore. It is kind of hard when you work out of town a lot and live in a rural area. Luckily we have good neighbors who help out when I am out of town, and I help them when they need it.
How about you, BMR?
How about you, BMR?
Big Muddy rancher
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Econ101 said:
Oh Yea. Been a director for seven years in June. On the executive of SSGA just recently. It is alot of work but even having a membership in a organization you believe in is helpful. I've done the school board and chuch board thing in the past.
So RobertMac does this divertion mean you didn't know any of these things that Swift Horses brought to light?? :wink:RobertMac said:Tam said:
Tam, if I ever had thoughts of getting out of R-CALF, you changed my mind. Like SH, you do more to hurt your cause than help. Thank you!
Big Muddy rancher said:
BMR, I applaud your working in your cattle organization and encourage you to continue. I hope you are learning something from ranchers.net and I hope you can use it in the future. I think you are about in the same spot as rcalf when it comes to forces bigger than you and what you can do about it. All you can do right now is learn what is happening and in the future, take opportunities that allow you to not get screwed if you can.
I don't think organizations like yours have a real say in how you handle bse or other major issues, but neither does rcalf at this time. They can just show that not everyone jumps when the packers say jump and that the political cost of not having politicians working for your interests is a factor.