leanin' H
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Kato said:
As well put as it can be! :clap: I'd feel the same way if i were in your shoes.
Attn. US producers
- Thread starter Big Muddy rancher
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As well put as it can be! :clap: I'd feel the same way if i were in your shoes.
Look, folks, I certainly did not intend to make things worse between Canadian and US cattle producers by commenting here.
I certainly never felt any condescension toward anyone north of the border!
And, when recounting the history of ranchers in western SD, I was thinking at least equally of the dozens of other pioneer families who were able to survive this climate and less than stellar land and water conditions for more than 100 years, many of their descendants are my neighbors and friends, after all. The population is far less now than it was even 25 years ago, and the era from about 1940 to '60 probably was the prime for 'West River Country', the area between the Black Hills and the Misourri River.
So far as Death Taxes are concerned, our family had the best advice available in SD well before the deaths, and still got hit very hard. SD has since ended our use of that onerous tax, and I certainly hope we never are so foolish as to re-instate it. Who could be proud of a tax which is so dependent upon promoting envy of others in people to support a tax which the extremely wealthy families rarely pay???
I do tend to forget, mean spirited people, so yes, there are those dolts who would laugh all the way to the bank.........not only over misfortune of Canadian ranchers, but of ANYONE whose misfortune increased his!
So far as Bill Bullard is concerned, IMO, he may be a slick talker, capable of convincing people he has all the answers, but ultimately, he will cause harm tol the cattle business. COOL was totally unnecessary, and is going to be used against cattle producers more than for us. At best, the unnecessary costs of compliance are going to cut beef sales. This disunity between our US and Canadian producers is just one of the disasters produced by COOL. The only good thing about Bullard being a leader of a cattle group is it is keeping him out of politics.....for the time being.
My apologies to those offended by my posts. BSE is a very complicated problem. I don't believe science has yet come up with the answers, but do suspect some of the simpler solutions from the past may be worth studying.
I do believe there is more to the financial differential between Canadian and US cattle prices than just BSE or COOL, or the prior health claims. It would be wonderful if that border could be seamless and feeders down here could easily buy your calves, or you could send them down here to feed out on your own dollar, and some of us down here in the northern states could send ours up to be fed your great barley for that great finish. We could build a respected AMERICAN beef label to feed the world, including those in other countries who can afford our superior quality beef. But I'm 73, and may not live long enough for all those fights to get ironed out to achieve that lofty goal!!!!
mrj
BTW, that is how I believe 'labels' for beef should come about.....by building a special product, such as Ranchers Rennaisance, or some of the other existing brands did....using our own money to build it rather than relying on government edict.
In fact, those hated packers have done some of that, haven't they. Yet, they didn't prevent Harris Ranch and others from building their own branded beef, did they?
mrj
I certainly never felt any condescension toward anyone north of the border!
And, when recounting the history of ranchers in western SD, I was thinking at least equally of the dozens of other pioneer families who were able to survive this climate and less than stellar land and water conditions for more than 100 years, many of their descendants are my neighbors and friends, after all. The population is far less now than it was even 25 years ago, and the era from about 1940 to '60 probably was the prime for 'West River Country', the area between the Black Hills and the Misourri River.
So far as Death Taxes are concerned, our family had the best advice available in SD well before the deaths, and still got hit very hard. SD has since ended our use of that onerous tax, and I certainly hope we never are so foolish as to re-instate it. Who could be proud of a tax which is so dependent upon promoting envy of others in people to support a tax which the extremely wealthy families rarely pay???
I do tend to forget, mean spirited people, so yes, there are those dolts who would laugh all the way to the bank.........not only over misfortune of Canadian ranchers, but of ANYONE whose misfortune increased his!
So far as Bill Bullard is concerned, IMO, he may be a slick talker, capable of convincing people he has all the answers, but ultimately, he will cause harm tol the cattle business. COOL was totally unnecessary, and is going to be used against cattle producers more than for us. At best, the unnecessary costs of compliance are going to cut beef sales. This disunity between our US and Canadian producers is just one of the disasters produced by COOL. The only good thing about Bullard being a leader of a cattle group is it is keeping him out of politics.....for the time being.
My apologies to those offended by my posts. BSE is a very complicated problem. I don't believe science has yet come up with the answers, but do suspect some of the simpler solutions from the past may be worth studying.
I do believe there is more to the financial differential between Canadian and US cattle prices than just BSE or COOL, or the prior health claims. It would be wonderful if that border could be seamless and feeders down here could easily buy your calves, or you could send them down here to feed out on your own dollar, and some of us down here in the northern states could send ours up to be fed your great barley for that great finish. We could build a respected AMERICAN beef label to feed the world, including those in other countries who can afford our superior quality beef. But I'm 73, and may not live long enough for all those fights to get ironed out to achieve that lofty goal!!!!
mrj
BTW, that is how I believe 'labels' for beef should come about.....by building a special product, such as Ranchers Rennaisance, or some of the other existing brands did....using our own money to build it rather than relying on government edict.
In fact, those hated packers have done some of that, haven't they. Yet, they didn't prevent Harris Ranch and others from building their own branded beef, did they?
mrj
bearvalley
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mrj said:
mrj, your apology is accepted and mine extended back to you. The scenario you threw out in your last paragraph is pretty much in line with what we need to make this a strong viable North America business. It would level out the playing field and remove some of the vulnerability. There would still be problems down the trail but at least the grass roots cattle people would be standing together instead of kicking each other. The weakest link in the whole big picture has always been the cow/calf/yearling end of this deal. Face it, the rest of them need us. But as long as the pot stays stirred someone else can reap the rewards. At 73, you have plenty of time to see this out.
Kato
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:agree: Well said.
Soapweed
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mrj said:
You have a great point, and that would be a great objective, mrj. I agree heartily.
mytwocents
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aspen said:
No U.S. rancher that "I KNOW" of was jumping up and down with joy. I didn't know the guy who did that. If he gloated about it without having empathy over what another human-being was going through then he's obviously an azzhole.
Big Muddy rancher
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mytwocents said:
You should have been on ranchers back in '03 and see OT's belly shake as he tried to jump for joy. :shock:
Kato
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Oh ya..... Those were wild times.... :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
bllcattle
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Some very good points made here and I'm proud of all who entered the debate. I was late in gettinginto it and most of my thoughts were brought up by some one. We now must try to even things up as we all need each other. We darn sure will have to get our north american cowherd back up and produceing soon or it may wreck our industry. Every market needs a healthy supply and with our US beef cows at such a low level we need to no that we have a source of available feeders and fats to help in a time of need,which, maybe right around the corner. Better canada then south and central america an there is some countries down there that do have some real cattle health issues.
gcreekrch
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I believe R-Calf members would sooner eat Chinese processed chicken than healthy Canadian beef. :wink:
leanin' H
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gcreekrch said:
I've seen your healthy Canadian beef and i dont wanna eat it! Toughened up from running from wolves and grizz. Forced to eat baled oats/rocks/stumps! 9 months of winter every year freezer burns the meat. And the only barley finishing happens when you tip back a cold beer! :lol: :lol:
But it'd still be better than chinese chicken or mexican "beef". :wink:
ranch hand
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I hope NCBA is on this too. Canada and United States get foot and mouth it will make BSE look like a walk in the park.
USDA Prepares to Break U.S. Cattle Market with Cheaper, Higher Risk Brazilian Imports
December 20, 2013 Billings, Mont. – Today the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) announced its proposal to allow the importation of cattle and fresh beef from 14 states in Brazil, a country that had been plagued with the most contagious disease known to cattle – foot-and-mouth-disease (FMD).
Brazil's cattle herd - at 183 million - is more than twice the size of the U.S. cattle herd and is reported to be growing.
APHIS states that domestic cattle prices are expected to decline under its proposal:
"The fall in beef prices and resulting decline in U.S. production would translate into reduced returns for producers in the livestock and beef processing sectors," APHIS states in its proposed rule.
APHIS further acknowledges that a risk remains for the introduction of FMD into the 14 states the agency wants to certify as eligible to export to the United States:
"APHIS concluded that as long as FMD is endemic in the overall region in South America, there is a risk of reintroduction from adjacent areas into the proposed exporting region," admitted the agency.
In 2011, Paraguay, which borders Brazil, reported an outbreak of FMD and a Brazilian journalist reported that after the outbreak, Paraguayan cattle were crossing freely into Brazil along a 254-mile stretch of the border and further reported no inspection crews at two border crossings.
Just one year ago, the United States learned that Brazil had failed for two years to provide notification that it had detected a cow with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) that had died in 2010.
"APHIS' proposed rule is irresponsible and will wreak havoc on the economy of Rural America that is certain to be harmed both by falling cattle prices and the increased risk of disease introduction," said R-CALF USA CEO Bill Bullard.
"APHIS' action is particularly ill-timed given the devastation that Blizzard Atlas recently caused to a wide swath of U.S. cattle operations, where tens of thousands of domestic cattle were killed. Lower cattle prices caused by the proposed rule will make recovery much more difficult for the thousands of cattle producers who lost livestock during the killer blizzard," Bullard added.
"It is clear that APHIS is kowtowing to Brazilian-based JBS, the world's largest transnational meatpacker that wants to import higher-risk cattle and beef into the United States without regard to the wellbeing of the U.S. cattle industry and the safety of U.S. consumers," Bullard concluded.
USDA Prepares to Break U.S. Cattle Market with Cheaper, Higher Risk Brazilian Imports
December 20, 2013 Billings, Mont. – Today the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) announced its proposal to allow the importation of cattle and fresh beef from 14 states in Brazil, a country that had been plagued with the most contagious disease known to cattle – foot-and-mouth-disease (FMD).
Brazil's cattle herd - at 183 million - is more than twice the size of the U.S. cattle herd and is reported to be growing.
APHIS states that domestic cattle prices are expected to decline under its proposal:
"The fall in beef prices and resulting decline in U.S. production would translate into reduced returns for producers in the livestock and beef processing sectors," APHIS states in its proposed rule.
APHIS further acknowledges that a risk remains for the introduction of FMD into the 14 states the agency wants to certify as eligible to export to the United States:
"APHIS concluded that as long as FMD is endemic in the overall region in South America, there is a risk of reintroduction from adjacent areas into the proposed exporting region," admitted the agency.
In 2011, Paraguay, which borders Brazil, reported an outbreak of FMD and a Brazilian journalist reported that after the outbreak, Paraguayan cattle were crossing freely into Brazil along a 254-mile stretch of the border and further reported no inspection crews at two border crossings.
Just one year ago, the United States learned that Brazil had failed for two years to provide notification that it had detected a cow with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) that had died in 2010.
"APHIS' proposed rule is irresponsible and will wreak havoc on the economy of Rural America that is certain to be harmed both by falling cattle prices and the increased risk of disease introduction," said R-CALF USA CEO Bill Bullard.
"APHIS' action is particularly ill-timed given the devastation that Blizzard Atlas recently caused to a wide swath of U.S. cattle operations, where tens of thousands of domestic cattle were killed. Lower cattle prices caused by the proposed rule will make recovery much more difficult for the thousands of cattle producers who lost livestock during the killer blizzard," Bullard added.
"It is clear that APHIS is kowtowing to Brazilian-based JBS, the world's largest transnational meatpacker that wants to import higher-risk cattle and beef into the United States without regard to the wellbeing of the U.S. cattle industry and the safety of U.S. consumers," Bullard concluded.
bearvalley
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Between the Chinese chicken and the Brazilian beef, it won't be long before the US consumers will be hunting for a " BORN, RAISED, SLAUGHTERED and PACKAGED in CANADA ".
Hard to sort out who is the biggest clown in this carnival,our CFIA or your USDA.
Hard to sort out who is the biggest clown in this carnival,our CFIA or your USDA.
bearvalley
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Man oh man. We all know the BSE deal is a mess but someone sure has choked down the wrong PRION. Does he ever come up for air?
I think he's an automated drone that continues to buzz away in the corner ignored by nearly everyone almost all the time 
Eventually he kinda turns into a piece of old furniture you hardly notice unless you stub your toe on it.
Eventually he kinda turns into a piece of old furniture you hardly notice unless you stub your toe on it.
Faster horses
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Silver said:I think he's an automated drone that continues to buzz away in the corner ignored by nearly everyone almost all the time
Eventually he kinda turns into a piece of old furniture you hardly notice unless you stub your toe on it.
That is a great assessment. If he/she/it went away we'd miss him/her/it like a broken leg. :?
He/she/it sure doesn't know anything about Quality Control in the US. Our company, for instance, will not take anything back to the plant that has been unloaded at a ranch. Any ranch. And they quit storing dog food in the same warehouse as the mineral. In fact, they quit making dog food with any ruminant products, period. All in the name of Quality Control.
flounder can go suck an egg.